Drafting a Cmon Army:Banding for charity

[Minigrrrl]

Hmmm, i do agree with Tab and the pthers that creative freedom is important, but you\'re missing an important point here. collectors that buy armies are actually even more picky about coherency than players are, due to the fact the army will be on display. I do not believe having a mix of NMM and metallics will work, and will only make the army look like a collection of random minis, not an army. There must be a thread going through all the miniatures, otherwise it won\'t be a whole. I believe that the best way to deal with this is act like it is a commission for a client(client being Red Cross), and make sure that this army will be something collectors as well as players will want. i do realise that this will piss a lot of people off, because they want to just do their own thing on the models, but we have to think about the end product. There\'s no point to paint this army, sell it for a meagre £200 so that someone can go and strip all the models, that would just be a waste of time and oppertunity.

 

[Brother Tom]

I do agree with the above it would be nice for everyone to do there own thing but seeing as the point of this is to raise as much money as possible for such an important cause then a few sacrifices should\'nt be a problem. The best way is to think of it as a challenge. The most important thing is to raise as much money as possible. We could always do something else like this in the future where everyone can just go nuts.

 

[EricJ]

I agree with Tammy here, for 2 reasons. First an army needs to be an army. I\'ve played against people who had patchwork armies in tournaments and while they payed a ton for each mini and they were all painted VERY well, all set out together they did not come off looking very good.

Second it is a great opportunity for each of us to break out of our norm, work with guidelines to try something we might not have otherwise. That is valuable for so many reasons. My example is that I keep intending to work to improve my metalics skills, which are lagging well behind my nmm I believe, but I keep falling back on nmm\'s even when I intend to us metalics. A project like this, where there is the rule to use metalics wouldn\'t allow me to hide under the safety blanket of my tried and true techniques. Which will help me in the long term improve my painting ability.

My 2 cents

-Eric

 

[green stuff]

@CtanSupportGroup : that would be great for the banner

@The WHFB players : could you come up for Sunday night with two tornament lists? One for 2000 points and one for 3000. I\'d like to present on Monday these list to the GW Event team and see how they can help us out with those.

@Everybody : concerning the painting guidelines, Tammy and Peter have given some pretty good ideas, IMHO. We could always vote on tatoos, or body paint colors but I think they should be coherent for the army, with maybe some variations on the characters. Concerning NMM, I personaly love the technic, but it isn\'t very GWish. Plus, have you seen Cyril\'s Chaos Nurgle Champion? This man is a master of NMM and he manages to make beautiful things with normal metals. I have no doubts on the talents of our top painters to do as well .

 

[CtanSupportGroup]

I have e-mailed my friend so we shall see what he can do.

Well since Tammy has done this before in terms of commissions, whereas I have not, if she says a coherent army is best, then we should conform. Perhaps people could add small amounts of \'uniqueness\'.

Personally, I would prefer to use real metallics in this situation. I have been inspired by Jakob Nielsen\'s way of doing mettalics will probably try this on my own Ogres anyway.

I think that flesh tones and mettalics are the main things, therefore that have to the same. The clothes should be the right tone i.e. light or dark, but that could be where the \'uniqueness\' comes in.

How will we go about sorting out a colour scheme?

 

[Dark Zealot Studios]

@ green stuff if you send I have the book here now I could send you the list tonight let me know if you want it sent to your CMON ID or I can email it to you

 

[Joshua]

ok im fine with all the voting stuff but im willing to subordinate my preferences for the sake of the whole and i guess all the people here are, otherwise they wouldnt do this .
voting takes much time and will lead to discussions wich are, above all, very time consuming so why not just do what the \"leader\" of this project says, i mean its not about what you personal taste on painting techniques is and i dont think talking about the perfect color scheme or use of metal colors will bring it to any higher bids.

just my 2 cents but im a slave to the majority and will do whatever you tell me to do

 

[green stuff]

@Dark Zealot Studios : cedricms@hotmail.com, thanks .

@Joshua : I see exactly what you mean. I always hesitate between the democratic and despotic solution here on CMON. OK, so :

[tyrant]Lets go for the GW Ogre greyish skin with dark blue tatoo/paint jobs, dark leather pants, brass belly armor, and steel blades with rust on them if you feel like your Ogre is protected against tetanus .[/tyrant]

I\'ll look up the Citadel paints tomorrow morning (if somebody could give the Vallejo equivalent after, I would appreciate it ).

 

[tidoco2222]

Ok Ogre Skin Gw style

Base coat Graveyard Earth with Shadow grey mixed in.

Then highlights using Graveyard Earth and Kommando Khaki and then Kommando Khaki with bleached bone to taste.

Rusty blades GW style I think is a basecoat of Dark Flesh over black undercoat.

Then stipple on a layer of Vermin Brown.

Then Stipple on a layer of Blazing Orange.

Then paint Chainmail on the weapon edges.

That is how it is described pretty much in the army book.

 

[EricJ]

/Salute

yes sir, greenstuff sir!

:bouncy:

 

[TAB Studio]

UMMM
Vallejo?
gw?
craft paint?

Colors?
Ummm
I do not recognise these colors name, Must be my lack
Tracy

 

[Jappobra]

I\'ll try to make 4 lists in total. two 2000 pts, two 3000 pts. Two to be as versitile as possible, and two to be as beardy as possible. So youcan decide what to use. But the only thing is that I don\'t know all the point values yet

 

[Dark Zealot Studios]

I have the army book Jappobra I,m going to send greenstuff a couple of list tonight they shuold be score well as a tourny list I\'ve jugde a few as an outrider so I now how to twik it for the points. As for beardy it looks like to list is fairly border line there on it\'s own with out to much help.

 

[Dark Zealot Studios]

The army also looks like it will do go with a little of evry thing in it which is nice

 

[minimaker]

Origineel geplaatst door Jappobra
@ minimaker, I think we already met, <snip> So we might join forces :]

I thought it might be you when I saw you were from Eindhoven. Join forces? Why not? I\'m totally at a loss if it comes to GW armies anyway. I\'ll ask Cindy as well.

and if one of our sculpters out there feel up to it I do not belive they are makeing a fig for the slave gaint other then to convert the orc and goblin giant which could be a fun project that would bring some more intrest.

Me: sculpt no (would take too long), convert yes.

Oh well, put me on the list too. I can at least do a grunt.

Name - Ming-Hua Kao (minimaker)
Age - 36
Years Painting - minis 14 though not intensively
CMON Rank - 806 (only greens though)
Trophies - Two local competitions

 

[Joshua]

Originally posted by TAB Studio

I do not recognise these colors name, Must be
my lack

not necessarily, some of these colors are rather new to the gw range but i guess gw colors are the easiest available and match the ogre style pretty good
andi like the your leathery way gs you dont see that many barbarian tribes runnin around in green, yellow and blue neon sign clothes

 

[TJeffers]

This is very nobel...

What is up with this one...I might be able to jump in. Tell me in summation what this is about? (I have been gone for a bit.)

 

[Trevor]

@ Tammy I know the Australian WD guys, I\'ll ask if they are interested in putting some stuff into our WD. I\'ll also see if I can score some OK minis direct from Aus GW. If the UK branch do decide to support this, maybe you could get someone to contact the Oz guys so they know my request is above board?

I think we HAVE to do a common colours scheme, and that means metallics, and using the same GW colours (or equivalent, like vallejo).

There will still be plenty of \"uniqueness\", certainly was in the RRM.

@minimaker I think you might have just volunteered to convert a giant Bags I paint it if you do

@ Tab yep I\'m well know for how bad my NMM is Actually I got my first GD for my metallics.

About me:

Name: Trevor Tolhurst
Years painting: 20
Comps won: many local GW comps, silver demon Aus GD 2003, Gold Demon Aus GD 2004. I also used to make terrain for the Dundee GW.
Current ranking: should be down there, was 186, but probably gone down now

 

[Joshua]

Originally posted by Trevor
Current ranking: should be down there, was 186, but probably gone down now

no, not yet but im workin\' on it lol

 

[Frustrated Father]

I\'m glad to see this all coming together, though I can see abit of \'too many cooks\'. That being said, as long as we can all get an agreement on what to do and make up a coherant army I think things will go well.

Ogres seems to be the big thing, I don\'t think any of us really question that any more, so lets go ahead and plan on doing the Games Workshop Ogres.

It\'s been said before, and I second (or third if the case may be) that we cap this at thirty people. As it is, its getting a bit over the top so we\'ll either need a rather large army or additional troops or a smaller skirmish group. Wednesday as deadline to get people in will likely be a moot point as everyone is jumping onto this, but none-the-less, lets keep to that.

I figure we should likely know something by Tuesday or Wednesday concerning GW on whether or not they will be willing to cut a deal or donate it in general. If not, we\'ll need to organize who and what is being bought.

Once we settle out the army(s) and their setup, I agree that we should get a general color scheme put together and agreed upon. NMM and dynamic bases are all well and good, but I have to agree with those that have already brought it up and say that we should stick to metal paints (they can be done just as well) so that we don\'t have a completely off the wall army with NMM and Metal and everything else in between. Collector or gamer is likely to ploink (that one is for you Tracy) down a bit of coin and unit cohesiveness is likely to be a high priority. If anything gets a unique base, I would suggest possible Champions, HQ and Banner bearers - otherwise, keep the rest of the army on the same footing and the base.

The colors have already been called out more or less by Green Stuff which if I recall correctly is more or less the color combination that is lined up on the GW website. I suggest we go by this overall for the simple fact that it will tie everything together and more importantly, it will give everyone a \'visual map\' of the colors that will be used for the army.

Obviously, those that get chosen to do the HQ, bannerman or champion should likely be the top painters amongst us as those will be the \'core\' of our army and the most important and noticable. For those, I think a bit more leeway can be given with color schemes and tweeking, but overall, the rest should stay fairly standard I would think.

Moreover, the term K.I.S.S (keep it simple stupid) comes to mind. If you over think this, you\'ll turn it into a real monster and a chore. We\'re all donating our time and likely our money, but with this many people, trying to coordinate it over the matter of three or four weeks, it can get way over the top with everyone doing their \'own\' thing. Keep a community-hive mindset and things will go much easier.