dont you hate overrated minis?
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Highbulp Billy
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don\'t you hate overrated minis?
No.
I hate child abuse, bullying, animal cruelty and most reality TV.
I\'m mildly annoyed by B-list celebs, damp weather, unsolicited telesales calls.
I\'m completely indifferent to people driving 4x4s, farting in public and numbers next to other peoples\' pictures of painted toy soldiers.
...but thanks for asking.
No.
I hate child abuse, bullying, animal cruelty and most reality TV.
I\'m mildly annoyed by B-list celebs, damp weather, unsolicited telesales calls.
I\'m completely indifferent to people driving 4x4s, farting in public and numbers next to other peoples\' pictures of painted toy soldiers.
...but thanks for asking.
Avelorn
Sven Jonsson
@Shadzar: You can\'t make a generalisation out of one persons opinon stated in a rantish way. There are lots of folks on this forum.
This topic has been dealt with over and over and some are fed up in different ways. However I personally think that these kind of threads so far have been very unconstructive as a discussion are limited by people basically saying \"if you don\'t like it sod off!\" Which mean there has never been a throughout discussion and one containing ideas how to counter the problems... not the least because many people don\'t think there is any problem or they refer to this being Chern Ann and that he \"wants it this way\" or similar.. but who afaik haven\'t stated much on this topic at all. Anyways.
@Matty:
Matty <3 cricket bat!
This topic has been dealt with over and over and some are fed up in different ways. However I personally think that these kind of threads so far have been very unconstructive as a discussion are limited by people basically saying \"if you don\'t like it sod off!\" Which mean there has never been a throughout discussion and one containing ideas how to counter the problems... not the least because many people don\'t think there is any problem or they refer to this being Chern Ann and that he \"wants it this way\" or similar.. but who afaik haven\'t stated much on this topic at all. Anyways.
@Matty:
Matty <3 cricket bat!
Dude, once again you choose to interpret contributing as paying. No one cares whether you are paying or not.
We do, however, tend to get a little miffed by a certain type of person who comes in uses the site for their own personal gain and gratification, never trying to become part of the community, only to post complaints about how the scoring sucks, about sniping, or about over-rated minis, which are usually just as easily translated into \"Why aren\'t my minis scoring higher? It can\'t be because I\'m not as good as someone else. No, I\'m a special and unique snowflake. Therefore, it must be this site and the others on it. It\'s not me at all.\"
airhead
Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
But I AM a unique snowflake and all my minis are soo special that they should score an 11.
:bouncy: :flip: lol
Oooops, maybe that is that they could score two 1\'s. :flame:
@Shadzar, since you\'ve returned, you have been a contributing member. I\'ve seen your posts in some of the other \'serious\' forums offering valid suggestions. That is contributing. Welcome back.
@Conclave, this thread started as a whine about a given mini getting fluffed up votes. Boardering on personal attacks. The mods are well within their rights to have locked it back on page 1. Any other web site and it would have been locked and dissappeared a day ago. Don\'t like it, try starting something like this on GW\'s or WotC\'s forums and see how long it lasts. (Frother\'s maybe).
:bouncy: :flip: lol
Oooops, maybe that is that they could score two 1\'s. :flame:
@Shadzar, since you\'ve returned, you have been a contributing member. I\'ve seen your posts in some of the other \'serious\' forums offering valid suggestions. That is contributing. Welcome back.
@Conclave, this thread started as a whine about a given mini getting fluffed up votes. Boardering on personal attacks. The mods are well within their rights to have locked it back on page 1. Any other web site and it would have been locked and dissappeared a day ago. Don\'t like it, try starting something like this on GW\'s or WotC\'s forums and see how long it lasts. (Frother\'s maybe).
Dragonsreach
Super Moderator
Shadzar: I seriously want like to know any example you can provide of people being attacked or treated unfairly when joining Coolminiornot forums.
As far as I am aware non of the moderators will/do tolerate that behaviour.
Until you can provide such examples I will have to regard this comment as a \"Blanket\" dismissal of the forums.
While there are discussions/ arguments within the forums and some of the points made are sometimes harsh they are normally meant within the guidelines of helping someone, and yes there are a number of occasions (I\'m referring to The Catman) when I\'ve given harsh comments in an attempt to assist someone.
However if you are refering to the Galleries then you should know having been a member for so long that comments and votes are not mandatory. And despite having been told by their Myopic Great Aunt Maud that their miniatures are the best in the world, reality in the form of other and sometimes better painters and painted miniatures does come as a cold hard fact of life.
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Shadzar
Guest
then maybe a thread should be made for ideas or concerns about the voting standards. if it all boils boil to CA can\'t do anymore because of limited time, then so be it. again admins jobs are a PITA. but if the community can\'t discuss something reasonably without resorting to several people saying \"non-contributors have no reason to complain\" then there is a biger problem with the community as a whole and probably with the website and how people view it.
to be quite honest this site is the bottom of the heap it seems in websites. i am sure more than 5605 people in the world that speak enough English to post images here exist. but in almost 5 years the growth is underwhelming.
thats little more than 3 users per day. there must be a reason for the slow growth. either the site is not well known or the community on it are not very polite in regards to (as i have been told be at least 30 people i have refered here) image comments and forums posts.
which leads me to think that something is wrong around here and it should be discussed in order to better the community and help it and the hobby grow.
bad enough the stigmas exist between painters and gamers that they look down on each other, yet both have to share LGS for their products.
here that stuff should be removed from the environment. so what if something has been discussed before. some forums actually archive or delete old threads to save room. who knows how these forums work as they are so old and probably hand created rather than based off of popular choices of software.
anyway, this thread has probably run its course based on the initial subject on the singular mini in question. but it doesn\'t mean a serious discussion of voting standards or other things couldn\'t go on to help the community, the site, its members, etc.
S
Shadzar
Guest
as above there was the whole \"newb\" thing and \"contributor\" thing. when a site is free then contributions are always understood to be helpful ways to improve the site or the discussions in it. with subscriptions the term becomes vague as you can see in this very thread.
as for the \"newb\" aspect or those who do not post viciously until their keyboards catch fire, then that has always made me irate.
many people lurk on forums. some were taught if you can\'t say something nice then don\'t say anything at all. others still may not have anything to offer for others but may come here to LEARN. there are a surprising number of great artists here with lifetimes worth of experience that others can learn. but when you see those or other artists make comments on minis like \"that\'s crap\" when the galleries images are supposed to be for constructive criticism rather than destructive it doesnt bode well for the look of the site. granted comments are moderated, but are they just run through a word filter to make sure no inappropriate words are in them, or actually checked for destructive or inflammatory comments?
i have a few friends who like trying to paint and told them to come here and check it out from one of my websites. when they viewed my minis and some of the comments on ones i had before deleting them to make room for new ones, they were disgusted that people would act that way. and i can agree with them. not jsut my own images, but some others as well. so what if a mini looks like a putrid blob of paint if its someones first try, that doesn\'t give another member the right to belittle the painter like i have seen in the years past on many galleries.
so why should these new people even join the forums and expect to be treated any more civil or respectful than the main purpose of the site? or at least the main one i knew of when i stumbled across it cause it was a year or so i think before i ever noticed there were forums.
again i can understand staff being shorthanded to moderate image comments, but they should be check for content to make sure it is of a constructive nature. the main site www.coolminiornot.com which shows a random gallery image form the primary domain name and URL should be attractor to the site, not a detractor from it.
see where i am coming from?
so if a mini looks like crap, comments shouldn\'t be allowed that say it so. it doesn\'t build a good community profile when people refered to a site see such on its front page.
its normal for people to get used to each other and cut up, but new people may not take the statements as tounge in cheek as intended, but as direct insult off the bat if that is what they are hit with.
the age old forum problem...
@airhead: feel free to start one and i will check into it after i watch \"the last mimzy\".
@shadzar
The problem with \"discussing the voting standards\" is that most people who do vote aren\'t active on the forums and probably never read anything from it. Anyone can vote and that is usually what most people refer to when they say it\'s CA\'s site. He has stated repeatedly that voting should be open to everyone and not just registered users. So, that\'s the reality of the situation. And, still, supposing everyone DID read these discussions... it\'s still up to everyone to decide how to vote.
The problem with \"discussing the voting standards\" is that most people who do vote aren\'t active on the forums and probably never read anything from it. Anyone can vote and that is usually what most people refer to when they say it\'s CA\'s site. He has stated repeatedly that voting should be open to everyone and not just registered users. So, that\'s the reality of the situation. And, still, supposing everyone DID read these discussions... it\'s still up to everyone to decide how to vote.
@shadzar
When you say that great artists say things are crap, you describe a reality that I have not seen, and I\'ve been here for almost 5 years. Yes, you can see some snide remarks among the comments, but they are usually made by anonymous trolls with no galleries of their own.
When you say that great artists say things are crap, you describe a reality that I have not seen, and I\'ve been here for almost 5 years. Yes, you can see some snide remarks among the comments, but they are usually made by anonymous trolls with no galleries of their own.
Avelorn
Sven Jonsson
I would too...
But there are many parts of this and the thread risk going to several traps.
But I think voting guidelines should be discussed in a pragmatic way and even more pressing a definite stance on matters of abusing the system instead of laissez-faire. What is acceptable and what isn\'t?
Then if we come up with something we can run it with Chern and see what he says on the matter.
But there are many parts of this and the thread risk going to several traps.
But I think voting guidelines should be discussed in a pragmatic way and even more pressing a definite stance on matters of abusing the system instead of laissez-faire. What is acceptable and what isn\'t?
Then if we come up with something we can run it with Chern and see what he says on the matter.
As I recall, some years ago (someone correct me if I\'m wrong) the discussion came up on whether only registered members should be allowed to vote. If I recall correctly, Chern Ann did reply to this discussion and pretty much said that this was against what he had envisioned for this site.
Making a solidified standard will not work if anyone and their brother can vote. It just won\'t.
@Ritual: Right on. You see where I\'m coming from.
Avelorn
Sven Jonsson
Yes I think that is true as well about only registered voting.. But that doesn\'t mean that some kind of guidelines shouldn\'t be in place.
A simple thread would mean nothing but if it leads to say a fuller \"voting guidelines\" it would be for the good. It does not have (or even should IMO) include details on how exactly how to vote as such could be futile and worthless.. But instead what is acceptable behaviour and what isn\'t and some more help then \"Pretend you\'re a Golden Demon judge\"
A simple thread would mean nothing but if it leads to say a fuller \"voting guidelines\" it would be for the good. It does not have (or even should IMO) include details on how exactly how to vote as such could be futile and worthless.. But instead what is acceptable behaviour and what isn\'t and some more help then \"Pretend you\'re a Golden Demon judge\"
Hell, Golden Demon Judges don\'t even have a solidified standard from what I\'ve been seeing.
You can set guidelines, but how do you enforce them? Will it stop the snipers? Will it stop those that simply don\'t like the miniature? Will it stop the anonymous who simply want to be jackasses?
It will be like those cell phone-free areas in the subway here in Stockholm... A rule that can not be enforced and that some ignore, with the effect of other passengers being annoyed and more so because there isn\'t anything they can do about it. These cell phone-free areas are now removed.
airhead
Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
The annonimous twits that think it is funny to put 100 1\'s on a mini just to see if they can affect the score.
I know there is a super-secret algorithim that removes outlieing votes, but you vote 1 enough times and the 7\'s become the outliers.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but the top 10 this week does not need 50 votes? Get a new (say 6) mini up and give it a few 10\'s and it should be in the top 10 if only for a few moments until a few real votes kick in and start bringing the average down.
I know there is a super-secret algorithim that removes outlieing votes, but you vote 1 enough times and the 7\'s become the outliers.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but the top 10 this week does not need 50 votes? Get a new (say 6) mini up and give it a few 10\'s and it should be in the top 10 if only for a few moments until a few real votes kick in and start bringing the average down.
