dont you hate overrated minis?

[hubbabubba]

Hmmm, how did I manage to miss all this?
Personally, I\'d just like to say, I\'d rather see more threads like this than the \'what did you have for dinner yesterday\' or \' what was your last bowel movement like\' threads.
I find it annoeying when I post looking for feed back and get like three people answering (thanks to those three) yet in the general discussion forum there are pointless posts a plenty., All right, I know I\'m not the centre of the universe and all, but this really doesn\'t seem to be the place it used to be in terms of getting useful feedback, if you wanna discuss the amount of navel fluff you discovered this morning then this may well be the forum for you, but talk about minis, maybe you\'d better look else where

 

[treide]

I think the voting system here is fine. When I first joined the site, I realized I was not a very good painter, as I got low scores. But by participating in the site community (reciprocating with comments to others who were nice enough to leave constructive comments, and by discovering and actively participating in the forums), I feel my painting skills have improved, and it has been reflected in an improvement in my scores.

I am sure that is due to a number of reasons. First, I have taken constructive criticism to heart, and my painting skills have improved. Second, I learned how to take better pictures. Third, I made some friends, and I am sure they have padded a few of my scores, but I am also sure that most of the votes my minis get are from random voters who don\'t know me from Adam.

@shadzar - It seems like you have constructive ideas about how to improve aspects of the voting system. Have you contacted CA to see if your recommendations could be implemented feasibly?

@hubbabubba - I agree it is tough to get feedback, but I think that is just due to dilution. There are tons of minis out there, and most people don\'t frequent the forums to view the Discuss Submissions or WIP threads. I am guilty of that as well, as I enjoy discussing the latest global dilemma in the General Discussion threads more than sifting through a lot of submissions that I mostly don\'t have any interest in (most of the 40k stuff).

 

[skeeve]

Originally posted by hubbabubba
Hmmm, how did I manage to miss all this?
Personally, I\'d just like to say, I\'d rather see more threads like this than the \'what did you have for dinner yesterday\' or \' what was your last bowel movement like\' threads.

if you wanna discuss the amount of navel fluff you discovered this morning then this may well be the forum for you, but talk about minis, maybe you\'d better look else where

Ah, but see when you don\'t participate in these threads you do not increase your post number therefore you do not contribute and therefore cannot be considered a \"part of the community\" anymore.

Then, again this thread degenerated as well

 

[Evil Dave]

Originally posted by skeeve

Originally posted by hubbabubba
Hmmm, how did I manage to miss all this?
Personally, I\'d just like to say, I\'d rather see more threads like this than the \'what did you have for dinner yesterday\' or \' what was your last bowel movement like\' threads.

if you wanna discuss the amount of navel fluff you discovered this morning then this may well be the forum for you, but talk about minis, maybe you\'d better look else where

Ah, but see when you don\'t participate in these threads you do not increase your post number therefore you do not contribute and therefore cannot be considered a \"part of the community\" anymore.

Then, again this thread degenerated as well

Dude, we get it, you feel slighted. You feel insulted. OK. Get over it.
I\'ve PM\'d you about, I clarified it several times in the discussion.
If you want to continue acting like an emo teenager by all means do.

 

[skeeve]

Originally posted by Evil Dave

Originally posted by skeeve

Originally posted by hubbabubba
Hmmm, how did I manage to miss all this?
Personally, I\'d just like to say, I\'d rather see more threads like this than the \'what did you have for dinner yesterday\' or \' what was your last bowel movement like\' threads.

if you wanna discuss the amount of navel fluff you discovered this morning then this may well be the forum for you, but talk about minis, maybe you\'d better look else where

Ah, but see when you don\'t participate in these threads you do not increase your post number therefore you do not contribute and therefore cannot be considered a \"part of the community\" anymore.

Then, again this thread degenerated as well

Dude, we get it, you feel slighted. You feel insulted. OK. Get over it.
I\'ve PM\'d you about, I clarified it several times in the discussion.
If you want to continue acting like an emo teenager by all means do.

Not really, I just find your arguments, or lack of them rather amusing. I clearly have too much free time today

 

[Avelorn]

Say bye bye to \"well thought out and considerate\" say hey hey to \"nasty sniping\"

 

[Swordwind]

 

[Dragon Forge Design]

Would you for the love of god let this go...

And go watch Jerico..its back on Baby!

 

[skeeve]

Originally posted by Avelorn
Say bye bye to \"well thought out and considerate\" say hey hey to \"nasty sniping\"

Sorry. It just Hubbabubba mentioned the level of noise and I couldn\'t resist. My fault.
With this I remove myself from this thread.

 

[supervike]

Originally posted by Avelorn
Say bye bye to \"well thought out and considerate\" say hey hey to \"nasty sniping\"

Well, for a short while, it was fun....

Thanks for pointing this out Sven! I needed a nice chuckle.

 

[Shadzar]

Originally posted by Evil Dave

Originally posted by airhead
And like Vike, I don\'t think much gets accomplished, but it is interesting to discuss.

It\'s a bit like discussing philosophy.
For me the underlying philosophical question is: How much does a free site owe us, and how much should one complain about the services of a free site?

then there is the real problem isnt it. i say your idea is the problem, and not yours alone or one that isnt often amde.

lets say for example you have a site like wizards.com that offered free information about upcoming products and errata for their games. how much do the customers have a right to complain about the lack of information? at what point does the lack of information and updates for the products that require fixing before it drives customers away? do the customers not have a right to voice their opinions on the fre site?

now portions of wizards.com are going pay to use. a lot of the free content will soon be bundled with the digital Dragon and Dungeon under something called D&D Insider. also their forums have moved to this Gleemax thing that will soon become a pay to use feature. so you have to pay to see some of the old information that was free, and then have to pay more to voice your opinion about it. many customers are leaving or have left wizards products and its new forums for these reasons alone.

now step back to CMoN for a minute for example. no initial business but allowed users. when it allowed users then it became a community, and community are not their for the creators, but for the users.

if CMoN was just a collection of painting articles then i would say nobody has room to complain because they are part of what is building the site. they get all the content for free

if none of this makes sense then lets me simplify how people can have a right to complain about free stuff.

person X: would you like some more wine Socrates?
Socrates: yes please.
wine is poured.
Socrates drinks the wine.
person X: ha-ha you just drank hemlock!
Socrates: I drank what?

oh sure the drink was gonna kill him, but it was free so did he have any reason to complain? likewise did Caeser have any reason to complain after getting air conditioning installed for free? by your thinking he should have said...
Thank you Brutus.



if there was no right to complain then there wouldn\'t exist a Feedback/Suggestion/etc forum.

but all this is off-topic from the voting system discrepencies.

 

[Shadzar]

Originally posted by freakinacage
@elouchard - agreed the porn ads are too much. i tried to log on using my work account the other day and i have a horrible feeling the porn ads triggered something. (which is making me shit myself as i could get fired)

iit could also be just from things like this in general...

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my firewall blocked these things because sit4s like this are known to have exploits or try to set cookies while viewing the ad images itself. since workplaces don\'t like this malware on their computers some sytems have in place to block entire sites that have ads from these companies to prevent data miners, tracking cookies, etc from getting to their computers. it isn\'t just the pr0n ads, but the ads in general and where they originate from.

 

[Evil Dave]

Originally posted by Shadzar

Originally posted by Evil Dave

Originally posted by airhead
And like Vike, I don\'t think much gets accomplished, but it is interesting to discuss.

It\'s a bit like discussing philosophy.
For me the underlying philosophical question is: How much does a free site owe us, and how much should one complain about the services of a free site?

then there is the real problem isn\'t it. i say your idea is the problem, and not yours alone or one that isn\'t often made.

Dude, that\'s pretty thin considering the vast majority that have chimed in have no problem with the site as is. Claiming it\'s a mistake made by many, does not, in any way shape or form, mean that your ideal is any better.

The Socrates example is an example of fraud, of deceit, and of murder.
Last time I checked CMoN has not been fraudulent, deceitful, or murderous, and has been pretty straightforward about the whole voting thing.

Notice, I never said you didn\'t have the \'right\' to complain. Everyone has the \'right\".
(Now whether or not you will be listened to, or whether you will get the eye roll, and the sarcastic comments is another story.)

I asked should you complain. Which is an entirely different question.
If the majority like it the way it is, should one be the squeaky wheel? Or should one accept it and move on? Should it be brought up in the general forums, or in the suggestion forum? Should it be brought up while demeaning another poster\'s work?

There\'s lot\'s of things that are your \"right\" to do, but sometimes one shouldn\'t, and if you do, it should probably in the correct manner.

 

[Shadzar]

Originally posted by Evil Dave
Dude, that\'s pretty thin considering the vast majority that have chimed in have no problem with the site as is. Claiming it\'s a mistake made by many, does not, in any way shape or form, mean that your ideal is any better.

but this phenomenom isnt localized to just CMoN. you see it everywhere. that is what i mean by many make this mistake or come to the conclusion that you shoulnd\'t complain about free stuff. so it doesn\'t matter how many here have said anythign about it. i was tlaking about the general concept from a globaol POV about who has the right to complain about what.

and it comes down again to subscriptinos to get technical. would it mean that non-subscribers have little to no right to complain, but subscribers can for the even the portions of the site that are free to all?

i am not ocmplaining about the favorites lists, blogs, other subscriber only things. while i wouldnt mind a few more images for my galelry not being able to buy the slots is because of the same reason i cannot subscribe. i don\'t like the blogs themselves or at least the way they are setup. very poor choices for constructing or administrating your own blog from what i see, and i just dont like them.

i have a favortires list on my computer so i don\'t need that.

but those are all moot. the subscribers get those extras for subscribing. im fine with that. i don\'t want or need those things, but subscriber or not everyone still has the right to voice their opinon about the free portions of the site. again the reason a feedback forum exists. the administration obviously feels that feedback is wanted so not only do people have the right but in a sense a duty to give feedback so the administration will know what the community may see as helpful to making the site better.

and im surprised this thread hasnt already been moved there since most of the topics of discussion herein have been less than general discussion, but about site maintenance, protocols, concepts, etc.

 

[Evil Dave]

Once again you are mistaking the \"right to complain\" with \"should I complain.\"

In truth, I\'d bet no one here really cares if you voice your opinion on how it should change in the suggestions. I fully support your right to do that, hell, I disagree, yet I don\'t mind if you do, I\'ll not deny you have the right.

The real issue here was how it was done, not whether they had the \"right\" to do it.

 

[Shadzar]

Originally posted by Evil Dave
Once again you are mistaking the \"right to complain\" with \"should I complain.\"

In truth, I\'d bet no one here really cares if you voice your opinion on how it should change in the suggestions. I fully support your right to do that, hell, I disagree, yet I don\'t mind if you do, I\'ll not deny you have the right.

The real issue here was how it was done, not whether they had the \"right\" to do it.

are we generalizing or still talking about the intial post of this thread?

i have been being general about the concept of who has what right, not whether a specific post/thread has overstepped those rights

while we are discussing voting at times in this thread i have a question. has anyone else noticed that when a borken image is next in line to be voted on the previous vote doesn\'t count? if this is true then there is a BIG problem with voting as many votes may not be being registerd thanks to a glitch in the system that doesn\'t count the votes preceeding a broken image.

 

[Evil Dave]

Originally posted by Shadzar

Originally posted by Evil Dave
Once again you are mistaking the \"right to complain\" with \"should I complain.\"

In truth, I\'d bet no one here really cares if you voice your opinion on how it should change in the suggestions. I fully support your right to do that, hell, I disagree, yet I don\'t mind if you do, I\'ll not deny you have the right.

The real issue here was how it was done, not whether they had the \"right\" to do it.

are we generalizing or still talking about the intial post of this thread?

i have been being general about the concept of who has what right, not whether a specific post/thread has overstepped those rights

We\'re kinda skipping between the generalizations,the initial post, and the voting issue. I\'m kinda trying to wrap it into one topic here.

My point being: Just because you have the \"right\" to do something, it doesn\'t always mean you \"should\" do it. This holds true to generalizations and the initial post.

As to suggestions or complaints on voting, feel free to suggest away, you have that right. In the right place.

 

[Dragonsreach]

Originally posted by hubbabubba
Hmmm, how did I manage to miss all this?
Personally, I\'d just like to say, I\'d rather see more threads like this than the \'what did you have for dinner yesterday\' or \' what was your last bowel movement like\' threads.
I find it annoeying when I post looking for feed back and get like three people answering (thanks to those three) yet in the general discussion forum there are pointless posts a plenty., All right, I know I\'m not the centre of the universe and all, but this really doesn\'t seem to be the place it used to be in terms of getting useful feedback, if you wanna discuss the amount of navel fluff you discovered this morning then this may well be the forum for you, but talk about minis, maybe you\'d better look else where

Hubbabubba: i\'m sorry you feel that you are being ignored in the fullness of this site, however just to put a little bit of clarity for everyone:

Combined total of Discuss Submissions, Painting & Conversions and WIPS threads : 10081
Responses : 126899

Total of General Disscusions threads: 8651
Responses: 216421

Now take into consideration that the Discuss Submissions, Painting & Conversions and WIPS Forums are actually younger than the General Discussion I think that this shows a more healthy hobby related aspect that you seem to be indicating.
Granted there are more replies on the General Discussion Forums, but again I don\'t see that as a problem. After all the General Discussion forum have created the online community which is by and large what coolmini has become.

Having been on a great many sites with forums devoted to modelling and painting this, to me , is the one with the most relaxed atmosphere. There are (and were several Forums which are so restricted to Modelling And Painting that they don\'t have any form of general communication. And yes while there are a lot of \"fun\" or frivolous threads.............So what?
There are quite a few people who are members of this community who\'s real and working lifes cause then to have to deal with Sh*t (& Sh*theads) on a daily basis. So if coming here helps them \"Blow off steam\" , Chill out or generally relax then fine by me. It\'s a damn sight cheaper than a therapist.

As to your point about having little or no feedback, I\'m sorry but I do suspect that there are a lot of people,like myself , who sometimes have Ideas and Suggestions but find that someone else has posted before them. Lets be honest would you really want to see 60 Ditto\'s in reply to your requests for suggestions, I know I wouldn\'t.
However If you do wish to post another thread asking for suggestions criticisms then I PROMISE, not only will I view the thread but I\'ll make as many suggestions as I can.

 

[squidders]

I also check the discuss submissions thread every time there is an update and comment when I have something new to say.

I\'m not one for \"yeah, what he said\"

yes I appreciate the irony of saying about the same as DR lol

 

[funnymouth]

Originally posted by Shadzar
when it allowed users then it became a community, and community are not their for the creators, but for the users.

agreed. CMON is comprised of its members and is, by its very nature, self critical.