dont you hate overrated minis?
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Shadzar
Guest
sadly i dont drink. smoking and painting minis are my vices. when i drink then it has already hit the fan and things can only get worse from there.
if the voting and rankigs serve no purpose themselves then why have them? i wonder if some people dont care enough, or if its jsut those with high ranks and high votes that dont see a problem because it may not be affecting them. or think the site is only for the \"perfect\" painters and the novices are only in the way.
their are many ways to read the things being said in this thread, but the point of any thread is what you take from it after reading. if you read this far and nothing has made you think about anything, then why post just to say what you did? as people say contributing vs just posting.
granted you have every right to post, don\'t get me wrong, but some posts are pointles and can get in the way of a discussion.
if none of this concerns you, then i am fine with that, but it obviously does concern at least a few people with standards and practices around here.
i for one would rather give ideas to help make the place better or at least provoke a response that will help myself and others understand the voting that sit back and have no clue what is going on. there must be some reason there is an FAQ page on the site. if not to explain things then what for?
it seems if voting is a common problem thread around here, then at least the FAQ should list an answer for the voting guide.
F= frequently
A= asked
Q= questions
if the voting system is in question or the guide is themn maybe at the least an answer is deserved.
and its boring being sick and unable to do much of anythign else other than goof around online, so why not catch up on those 105k minis i havent viewed/voted on yet?
the forums here jsut give me the chance to pass the time while i wait for broken images and broken ads to load pages so i can see the next mini for viewing and voting.
and i would rather be in a somewhat constructive thread than some nonsense thread made just to waste server space.
Which goes back to my post on whether or not those that depend on the scores to live (professional painters linked solely through CMoN) should create their own site.
I mean, you really can\'t expect anyone to care more about your success than yourself.
Sure, CMoN helps, but if you feel it isn\'t doing the job properly shouldn\'t you take some responsibility to insure your sales?
Is the onus on Chern Ann, and CMoN, or the painter?
It is free marketing. Where else in the real world do you see this?
I see it as fair as it\'s going to be considering it is open to everyone and their brother. Add the fact that it\'s free,well , IMHO it\'s a great deal.
philologus
Subgenius
Right. Not to mention the fact that Chern provided free blogs for members, which can be used to market your mini-painting prowess.
Oh hi, me again.
I know some of you are \'sick of this\' but I kind of enjoy these threads. It seems the arguments being made here (in the last few pages) are well thought out and considerate. Not the nasty sniping that was going on earlier.
And, some of you may also not like my very lax \'moderation\' style, again, sorry, but until this crosses the line, I think its a good healthy discussion.
So, please don\'t take my lack of heavy handedness as a showing of my inability.
Thank you, we now return you to your regularly scheduled rantings....
I know some of you are \'sick of this\' but I kind of enjoy these threads. It seems the arguments being made here (in the last few pages) are well thought out and considerate. Not the nasty sniping that was going on earlier.
And, some of you may also not like my very lax \'moderation\' style, again, sorry, but until this crosses the line, I think its a good healthy discussion.
So, please don\'t take my lack of heavy handedness as a showing of my inability.
Thank you, we now return you to your regularly scheduled rantings....
airhead
Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
Can CMON\'s scoring system be abused?
Very easy in the short term.
Much harder in the long term.
We\'ve had a few painters with their own fan club that we see minis come on-line with a couple hundred votes all much higher than I think they deserve.
We\'ve had a few painters that do some wonderful work that seem to get sniped regularly. Jealously? Pissed off the wrong person?
But on the whole the system works. The mini that started this thread has settled to about where most of us think it should be.
Multiple pics of the same mini. I remember one in particular that must have had about 10 pics of the same mini. Every time I saw it, I\'d vote one less after the first couple. Did I make a difference? Probably not.
Mods? I think Mike & Vike are doing a great job (Finn too when he shows his face ). This thread would have been locked and vaporized after the first couple of posts on some of the other boards I\'ve been on. Instead, this rabble slightly shifts the subject and keeps on posting. And like Vike, I don\'t think much gets accomplished, but it is interesting to discuss.
Very easy in the short term.
Much harder in the long term.
We\'ve had a few painters with their own fan club that we see minis come on-line with a couple hundred votes all much higher than I think they deserve.
We\'ve had a few painters that do some wonderful work that seem to get sniped regularly. Jealously? Pissed off the wrong person?
But on the whole the system works. The mini that started this thread has settled to about where most of us think it should be.
Multiple pics of the same mini. I remember one in particular that must have had about 10 pics of the same mini. Every time I saw it, I\'d vote one less after the first couple. Did I make a difference? Probably not.
Mods? I think Mike & Vike are doing a great job (Finn too when he shows his face
). This thread would have been locked and vaporized after the first couple of posts on some of the other boards I\'ve been on. Instead, this rabble slightly shifts the subject and keeps on posting. And like Vike, I don\'t think much gets accomplished, but it is interesting to discuss.
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elouchard
Guest
I agree with the point about making a personal site. My point is not about marketing, just making the site more fair.
Just to be clear, I\'m talking about a business model besides the one I use, which has nothing to do with CMON. But just the fact that this site is meant to be fair, or at least should be fair, should be enough reason to look into tightening the algorithms.
There are a few ways to make money using this site, ebay links, status - name recognition, etc. Just the fact that there are ways to make money and benefit in some way by cheating should raise a warning flag. All it would take is some code tweaks to the existing algorithm, not a rewrite of the whole code base.
It\'s a bit like discussing philosophy.
For me the underlying philosophical question is: How much does a free site owe us, and how much should one complain about the services of a free site?
@elouchard
I think it\'s about as fair as it can get. Sure maybe they can tweak the algorithms, but once again that is totally up to the discretion of the owner.
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elouchard
Guest
I\'ts Chern Ann\'s site, his sandbox, and it is free, true. He doesn\'t owe the visitors anything, except maybe the illusion of fairness. Or maybe not. Her certainly doesn\'t owe the people who make money from the site.
He can\'t really have much incentive to change things if they still are working, more or less. A few suggestions of things to look at are not out of order though. He reads these threads now and then (maybe not much nowadays).
He can\'t really have much incentive to change things if they still are working, more or less. A few suggestions of things to look at are not out of order though. He reads these threads now and then (maybe not much nowadays).
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elouchard
Guest
The intent is fine until people find out that they can easily play with scores with scripts. Whether it helps them make money is another matter, but if they think it does, the system will go downhill. Until people can\'t cheat easily, I think the system is not really fair. It is fairly fair though, if that helps, and works great for the majority of people. And that may be just fine for Chern Ann and most folks.
Porn adds gotta go though....
freakinacage
New member
yeah registered voters are much tougher and fairer it would seem
@elouchard - agreed the porn ads are too much. i tried to log on using my work account the other day and i have a horrible feeling the porn ads triggered something. (which is making me shit myself as i could get fired)
My thoughts exactly! First, I wasn\'t going to read your post at all as I\'ve been working for 12 hours and am currently knackered, but I did anyway and, honestly, I don\'t see your point. You put way too much thought and meaning into something that is very simple. You can vote from 1 to 10 and the question is \"cool mini or not?\". Most people respond very instinctively on it and pick a number out of sheer gut reaction. You can find circumstances that seems unfair very easily, but what\'s the big deal about that? It\'s not like just because a popular painter like Natalya Melnik gather a huge number of votes, and mainly high ones, in a very short time people will judge your minis or anyone else\'s more critically. In the end it\'s just a number reflecting the average of what a number of random voters think of your paintjob and you can\'t expect them to have considered their vote more than a few seconds. Why put so much meaning into this number?
Like matty suggested: Have a drink... :beer: or in your case, a smoke or whatever you chose when you want to relax.
@uber
No Indy for me this year, at least, I\'m afraid. This year my energy and money goes into visiting the World Expo in Spain. But, hopefully I\'ll be able to go to GenCon at some point. We\'ll see who gets to buy whom a drink first. If you come to Europe John (and I\'ll be at the same spot too, of course) I\'ll be the one buying! :beer:
No Indy for me this year, at least, I\'m afraid. This year my energy and money goes into visiting the World Expo in Spain. But, hopefully I\'ll be able to go to GenCon at some point. We\'ll see who gets to buy whom a drink first. If you come to Europe John (and I\'ll be at the same spot too, of course) I\'ll be the one buying! :beer:
Avelorn
Sven Jonsson
@über: I\'m intrigued on in which manner your ass is supposed to buy him a drink. Or rather on how it made the money in the first place.
@Ritual: Voting goes quick because you already have made an own \"voting guideline\" which of course will change over time if you get a more general guideline that will work equally quick but probably lend a bit fairer judgement. I\'m not saying it\'s a perfect solution but...but...
oh lord I\'m so tired of this discussion.
I will continue with trying to explain Giddens difference of dualism and duality in a macro-micro context instead. That\'s \"tabletop \"I say.. somewhere below perhaps because of my state of mind. Maybe a 5 if it\'s properly based.. grounded in something.. which it is as a difference to Foucaults notion of discursive practice.
I need a drink. If someone here needs a drink, that\'s me!!
@Ritual: Voting goes quick because you already have made an own \"voting guideline\" which of course will change over time if you get a more general guideline that will work equally quick but probably lend a bit fairer judgement. I\'m not saying it\'s a perfect solution but...but...
oh lord I\'m so tired of this discussion.
I will continue with trying to explain Giddens difference of dualism and duality in a macro-micro context instead. That\'s \"tabletop \"I say.. somewhere below perhaps because of my state of mind. Maybe a 5 if it\'s properly based.. grounded in something.. which it is as a difference to Foucaults notion of discursive practice.
I need a drink. If someone here needs a drink, that\'s me!!
