Obama wins

[No Such Agency]

Originally posted by Avelorn
Marxist?? Hilarous. lol Move to Sweden and you\'ll realise that Obama is little to the right of the rightwingers here. Not value conservatives mind you, but in social policy.

As a \"leftist\" who thinks Marxism is a pretty bad idea (as are most dogmatic ideologies), I also think it\'s hilarious. Reagan bankrupts the Soviets and two decades later his political descendants have apparently forgotten what actual \"communists\" were really like. Hint, they didn\'t have advisors from the Chicago School of Economics like Obama does.

Of course, memories ARE short, so in addition to supposedly being a \"Marxist\", Obama is also supposedly a Muslim, the enemies du jour who have replaced the Soviets. Because Muslims and commies have historically been such cozy bedfellows lol

(Nice job keeping the discourse polite, by the way, CMONers. It\'s appreciated.)

 

[Farin]

@ Donna: finally a voice of reason. Obama wasn´t elected king he´s president !

and guys, i´m sorry to say , but when it comes to the therms socialism, communism or marxism you´re opinion seemed to be a bit \"warped\" (sorry again, no better word)

my dad IS a socialist. he is - and has been for his entire adult life - member of a socialist / post socialist party.

obamas idea´s are as close to socialism as mars is to earth . they´re both part of the solar system but far, far away

introducing a public health system, offering college students the possibillity to work in the public system to earn theyre college fees, talking about raising the taxes for coorparations by a mere 1.5 percent - that´s not socialism these are some pretty good ideas.

socialism means that the state owns the entire economy of a country, the absence of private proberty and the absence of free markets. Instead socialiasm demands a centraly planned economy in which the state knows the need and demand of every single citizen.

Let me just add that you can be proud of your country. 2 wars , the finacial crysis,... Do you know what would have happened in Germany, or any other european country under these circumstances ?
First, the people whould start whining - not do anything about it, just whine and rant. Than they would start to blame the system. Not just the parties and the election system, they would damn the whole democratic process and than democracy itself. They would start voting for all these extremists that are lurking for they chance. Neonazis, communists - they never completely left theyre still here, and as soon as things would lokk as dark as they do now in the US they would start winning the elections. I´ve seen it on a tiny scale in saxonia. The nazis are now part of the saxonian parlament and of cause, they talk about they´re \" alternative \" and they´re solution.
And the US citizen? they DID something they went out, they voted for the best candidate.

you should be proud

oh, and as courtesy to those who can´t here it anymore : i promise i will not use the c-word in my next postingslol

 

[swordtrainer]

This was the first time I have ever voted and I voted for Obama. I really hope that he can bring change like he says, and alot of people expect. I hope that obama isn\'t assassinated, because if he is, it just reinforces that change is not welcome in American society, or any society for that matter.

 

[darthfoley]

 

[Bigdennis52]

wow I guess this thread blew up! I Rock!

 

[supervike]

Originally posted by Bill

Originally posted by Shawn R. L.
The man has dark ties and seems to attract dark ties.

It\'s true! Here\'s photo evidence!

Touche\' my friend!

 

[chaos877]

:bouncy::flip::bouncy::flip::bouncy::flip::bouncy::flip::bouncy::flip::bouncy::flip:
YAAAAAAHOOOOOO!!!
Gobama! Gobama!

he might want to invest in some terminator armor, as them southerners might not be happy with the result.

Oooh! a monolith popemobile! the big crystal replaced with a bullet proof bubble, with a terminator armored obama inside. I dare someone to make that!

 

[PegaZus]

Originally posted by Farin
introducing a public health system, offering college students the possibillity to work in the public system to earn theyre college fees, talking about raising the taxes for coorparations by a mere 1.5 percent - that´s not socialism these are some pretty good ideas.

Not to a lot of us. Problem is that it\'d be a publicly paid health system. All the customer service of the DMV with the speed and reliability of the Post Office. And as for corporate taxes, Exxon pays 41% on taxable income, an average of $27 billion in tax the last three years. The bottom 50% of American citizens (65 million people) paid the same amount. Of course, that 1.5% corporate tax increase will just be passed on to the consumers, which I imagine would comprise a whole lot of those bottom 50%.

socialism means that the state owns the entire economy of a country, the absence of private proberty and the absence of free markets. Instead socialiasm demands a centraly planned economy in which the state knows the need and demand of every single citizen.

Problem is, the government now owns quite a bit of a number of banks now. They promise to sell those shares, but \"they\" are politicians and can be trusted about as far as I can throw a continent. How many vacant foreclosed homes are going to taken by Fannie Mae and Mac? That\'ll be a lot of private property in government hands. (Yes, yes, I know that the US government is the biggest land owner in the US to begin with.) And don\'t get me started about the immanent domain abuses that have been occurring the last decade or two. Will the coming \"economic stimulus\" package contain restrictions on prices and other such economic planning? There\'s no answer right now. It isn\'t that they are \"socialist\" per se, but that many of us feel that they\'re leading the nation towards that end.

And the US citizen? they DID something they went out, they voted for the best candidate.

you should be proud

But 46% of us don\'t think he was the best candidate. I don\'t even think McCain was the best candidate. Still, I\'ll concede that point. Glad we don\'t have roaming bands of political thugs guarding polling stations and what-not to make sure you do what you should do.

 

[Evil Dave]

Originally posted by chaos877
:bouncy::flip::bouncy::flip::bouncy::flip::bouncy::flip::bouncy::flip::bouncy::flip:
YAAAAAAHOOOOOO!!!
Gobama! Gobama!

he might want to invest in some terminator armor, as them southerners might not be happy with the result.

Yeah, and we\'re the party that stereotypes.

 

[No Such Agency]

Originally posted by PegaZus
Problem is that it\'d be a publicly paid health system. All the customer service of the DMV with the speed and reliability of the Post Office.

Dooooooon\'t make me say it! Nope! Don\'t do it.

And no I don\'t know what the heck is wrong with your post office. Ours works pretty amazingly, and you can even mail a parcel at 9 pm due to small privatized post offices in stores. And they don\'t lose whole parcels of minis, in my experience A genuine synergy of government and free enterprise.

 

[Evil Dave]

Originally posted by No Such Agency

Originally posted by PegaZus
Problem is that it\'d be a publicly paid health system. All the customer service of the DMV with the speed and reliability of the Post Office.

Dooooooon\'t make me say it! Nope! Don\'t do it.

And no I don\'t know what the heck is wrong with your post office. Ours works pretty amazingly, and you can even mail a parcel at 9 pm due to small privatized post offices in stores. And they don\'t lose whole parcels of minis, in my experience A genuine synergy of government and free enterprise.

Well, we do already have a government run health system. It\'s been around for years.
It\'s called the VA Hospitals. I urge everyone to go take a look at one or research Walter Reed Memorial.

 

[PegaZus]

Originally posted by No Such Agency
And no I don\'t know what the heck is wrong with your post office. Ours works pretty amazingly, and you can even mail a parcel at 9 pm due to small privatized post offices in stores. And they don\'t lose whole parcels of minis, in my experience A genuine synergy of government and free enterprise.

Even the small, privatized POs here close at 5PM. I think UPS or FedEx stores *might* accept a package for the post office, but those would be the privately run ones again. And think for a second... the privatized post office is open until 9PM. What about the public one? And didn\'t someone post a while back that they won\'t ship to Canada with the US post office anymore? Only UPS or FedEx, as sending it via the USPS for some reason would tie it up in Canadian customs for weeks? Of course, that\'s probably the Customs office, not the post office.

In my experience, I could send out ten packages with priority mail to ten different people. The farthest one may deliver quickest, and the one going across town takes two or three days. So no, the USPS doesn\'t have a good reputation here, at least with me.

 

[Ebonbuddha]

Ok. I will be honest with my experience on the matter.

Friend: ¡±Hey man! Congratulations!¡±
Me:¡±Why? What did I do?¡±
Friend: ¡°America has its first black president.¡±
Me: ¡°How does that affect me? I moved to Canada. And just because I am black doesn¡¯t mean I have to get congratulations from you. I didn¡¯t congratulate you when all of the other presidents won.¡±

These kinds of message filled my MSN and e-mail. I thought it wasn¡¯t about race.

 

[Shawn R. L.]

Originally posted by darthfoley

Cha-ching

 

[Theomar Pius]

As far as I knew, everybody in this country has the opportunity to go to college. If your family couldn\'t afford it, you just worked real hard in high school, got good grades, got a student loan, worked real hard in college, got a degree, got a job, worked real hard, paid off student loan, feel accomplished and lived the rest of your life knowing you earned every single thing you got. It\'s like plastic pre-paints. Yeah, you could use them, but don\'t you feel better painting your own stuff?

Obama is proposing cutting out the \"worked real hard\" part and offering handouts. Same goes for heathcare. If you work real hard, get a good job and prosper, you can get the best heathcare in the world in this country. Equal opportunity is what we have, it\'s up to the individual to decide what to do with it.

That\'s the way this country has been for 230+ years, and all we got for it was the most prosperous nation on earth.

 

[Dragonsreach]

Originally posted by Ebonbuddha
Ok. I will be honest with my experience on the matter.

Friend: ¡±Hey man! Congratulations!¡±
Me:¡±Why? What did I do?¡±
Friend: ¡°America has its first black president.¡±
Me: ¡°How does that affect me? I moved to Canada. And just because I am black doesn¡¯t mean I have to get congratulations from you. I didn¡¯t congratulate you when all of the other presidents won.¡±

These kinds of message filled my MSN and e-mail. I thought it wasn¡¯t about race.

It shouldn\'t have been..............but the Media (especially in the UK) were touting his Skin Colour as a criteria of importance.
Media driven hysteria has fueled far to many easily led opinions, I have no doubt that American media will have used (however Subtly) the \"Colour issue\" as a concience pricker to some people.
Skin colour means nothing, it\'s the person that\'s important.


And to the commentator who made such a disparaging comment about Southerners....WTF!.....that was nothing more than a completely blinkered media/movie driven stereotype.
The most racist American I ever had the misfortune to meet was in fact from New York and was nothing like the Gentleman from Texas, who was my house guest or my former colleague from Alabama.

 

[Farin]

hey i didn´t say that that obama sghould give money to those people who made no effort to achieve a college place.

in theory you´re right: you work hard . you impress your teacher, get them to write some recommendation letter and ace the SAT. and then you get a loan

in real life a i´ve heard of too many people where this plan didn´t work. First , there´s the fact that the allocation of college loans isn´t fair. College´s , especially ivy league ones will give loans in a way to \"have as many different types of people and charackters on they campus \". What that means ? Lets say you´re from from virginia , you got straight A´s in all courses and the full score at the SAT, plus you can paint miniatures and you play the piano like a young ray charles. So you try to get into a good college, say Notre damne but unfortunately they hate to tell you that they already a miniature painitng piano player and will give the place to som one who has the same test score but who plays tennis, just to have as many different kind of peolpe at theyre campus. That´s not fair and it´s in no way influenced by you own merits.
Then their´s the fact that the number of student loans is very limited.
In fact the senate threatened colleges a year ago that they would pass a law to dictate how much money a university has to spend for (full) loans, due to the fact that the number of students with a loan was much to small. It is only because of this anouncement of your govemnent that they finally agreed to give more loans and to give more students who don´t can efford spending 20,000 per therm a chance. Good grades are no garantuee for a place at college when you can´t afford it , that´s my point

I ´ve seen the number of the last Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA). The US needs more collge graduates and better schools. So does Germany by the way, our system isn´t better in any way , it´s just as broken and crappy , probably more unfair, for many , many reasons ( if you like i can tell you about it just to prove it )

Obamas Idea isn´t new, in fact it was introduced in south Gernany this year. Students can apply for a job in their comunity. We don´t have enough substitute teacher to fill in for all the sick teachers orer the retired ones. Now student´s give lectures. The classes can take place and the students get a first early impression what it means to be a teacher. Medical students work for nursing homes or hospitals and so on. These students work hard , they have a much tighter schedule, but everyone who was asked agreed that this is a great way to bypass the problem of limited students loans, especially for students from \"poor\" famillies . That´s not givin´money to lazy people. Thats a way to get more people into the universities and to motivate then to get a good job.

I can clearly sea your points and i respect you opinion, but why not do it like this:

let the universities give loans to those who got the best grades. and to those who have only good grades but the motivation: let them earn theyres by joining the peacecorps or working for theyre communitites, or by doing millitary service. I´m with Obama here, it´s a good idea.

 

[StarFyre]

hmm

I think Obama was the best candidate (not much choice really....and Palin being some hardcore christian nutcase, I wouldn\'t want her to be VP, incase McCain died..hehe).

But what is strange, isn\'t Obama the one who said middleclass are people who make 200K/year+?

Hell no, if it was him...200K IS ALOT, even now days...you can easily live on 200K/year as long as you\'re not stupid.

Sanjay

 

[Ebonbuddha]

Ok. I am a democrat. but that was funny.

Originally posted by Shawn R. L.

Originally posted by darthfoley

Cha-ching

 

[Dragonsreach]

Originally posted by Ebonbuddha
Ok. I am a democrat. but that was funny.

Originally posted by Shawn R. L.

Originally posted by darthfoley

Cha-ching

And it applies to so many politicians.