Obama wins
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airhead
Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
Corporations do not \"pay\" taxes. They:
1)Increase costs (pass the increase through as a price increase - marked up by distributors and retailer - to the consumer. Thus, a $0.25 increase to the producer becomes $0.50 to the retailer and $1.00 to us the consumer.
or
2)Reduce overhead to cover the cost. This means fewer people doing more or moving jobs offshore where labor is cheaper or moving the corporation offshore so they no longer pay U.S. taxes.
@ Skeeve, businesses function to make money for it\'s shareholders. If it does not, it ceases to be a business. No morals are applied to businesses. They offer benefits to secure a work force becasue their competion is doing likewise - conversly, they don\'t offer benifits to be competitive with their competition - not because they are all good or bad guys. They sell a product. If you buy it and they sell enough of it at a good price, they make money.
Simple.
Necroghast
New member
Guys, face it. Obama won. Quit the crap about his \"dark side\"
ScottRadom
Shogun of Saskatchewan
Correct. These corporations acting out of self interest make the world go round. they employ people directly, they employ people indirectly through the personal spending of their well paid executives. These corporations are democracy personified to the purest extent. A government can exist without the support of the majority, a corporation MUST meet the needs of the people utilizing their product, ideas, and services or fail.
Even when \"Bailed out\" these companies will still stand accountable for their actions in loss of consumer confidence and will ultimately need to re-tool their enterprise to become viable and continue to provide the wonderful jobs in their community and around the world.
We all become part of corporations when we decide to use banks, insurance, reitrement investment, open business\'s ourselves. Corporations are not evil, they are what we make them to be. Corporations are our children all grown up on the money we have given them over the years to provide what they do for us.
People who complain about corporations confuse me. Where do they shop, bank etc?
But anyway I am glad you\'re in agreement with me on this brother Skeeve.
Wait a minute.... Hang on here... I think maybe you meant that sarcastically? DAMNIT!
BarstoolProphet
New member
*applauds and looks puzzled, simultaneously*
I\'m not even sure I understood any of what you just said, but I\'ll accept that expectations may or may not be met.
wiccanpony
Official Freak Bar Witch
:cussing:We are Americans it’s our right to bitch about everyone and everything....why you say?.......because it makes us feel warm and fuzzy!
whap!
did you throw that dead fish at me Airhead..ahhhhhhhhh in coming...racing to the Bar Basement:drool:
whap!
did you throw that dead fish at me Airhead..ahhhhhhhhh in coming...racing to the Bar Basement:drool:I find the Obamassiah group rather amusing. Even in this thread I\'ve seen four \'RAH, RAH, OBAMA\' posts for every one I\'ve seen that\'s not that favorably inclined towards him and yet I haven\'t read even one thing that anyone thinks he\'s going to DO.
I\'ve read that he can speak well - as though that is what qualifies a man to lead the most powerful nation on earth. I\'ve read that he is going to be better for our world reputation, though I\'ve seen no basis for that claim. I\'ve read that McCain having won would have screwed the nation, but I haven\'t seen the basis for that claim.
What is it that Obama is going to do? How is he going to deliver on the promises and expectations that have been set for him? Anyone wanna take odds on how quickly his campaign promises get scrapped?
All that aside, I thought that the whole \'he\'s not MY president\' thing surrounding Bush\'s election was abhorrent and childish. Obama will be my president and I will offer the respect and the defference that comes with that office. I will not always agree, but I will not be disrespectful and I will not be divisive. I\'ve been disappointed to see the number of Republicans/Independents who have been pulling the same \'he\'s not my president\' garbage that was so irritating from the left not so many years ago. We are one nation, under one leader. If you are an American citizen, THE president is YOUR president.
I\'ve read that he can speak well - as though that is what qualifies a man to lead the most powerful nation on earth. I\'ve read that he is going to be better for our world reputation, though I\'ve seen no basis for that claim. I\'ve read that McCain having won would have screwed the nation, but I haven\'t seen the basis for that claim.
What is it that Obama is going to do? How is he going to deliver on the promises and expectations that have been set for him? Anyone wanna take odds on how quickly his campaign promises get scrapped?
All that aside, I thought that the whole \'he\'s not MY president\' thing surrounding Bush\'s election was abhorrent and childish. Obama will be my president and I will offer the respect and the defference that comes with that office. I will not always agree, but I will not be disrespectful and I will not be divisive. I\'ve been disappointed to see the number of Republicans/Independents who have been pulling the same \'he\'s not my president\' garbage that was so irritating from the left not so many years ago. We are one nation, under one leader. If you are an American citizen, THE president is YOUR president.
I voted for Bush last time, so I\'ve no allegiance to a party.
But, I felt Obama was the best candidate.
McCain and Palin are fine folks. But McCain was going to hold true to the same damn politics that have gotten us into this mess.
And, the direction the country is going, we absolutely need some change, even if it\'s a risk. Besides, I think we\'ll find he\'s much more conservative leaning than the far left liberals want.
Regardless of your politics, Obama exudes leadership and confidence. He seems to be a good man, and I\'m hopeful about America\'s future.
But, I felt Obama was the best candidate.
McCain and Palin are fine folks. But McCain was going to hold true to the same damn politics that have gotten us into this mess.
And, the direction the country is going, we absolutely need some change, even if it\'s a risk. Besides, I think we\'ll find he\'s much more conservative leaning than the far left liberals want.
Regardless of your politics, Obama exudes leadership and confidence. He seems to be a good man, and I\'m hopeful about America\'s future.
airhead
Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
November 5, 2008
WASHINGTON—African-American man Barack Obama, 47, was given the least-desirable job in the entire country Tuesday when he was elected president of the United States of America. In his new high-stress, low-reward position, Obama will be charged with such tasks as completely overhauling the nation\'s broken-down economy, repairing the crumbling infrastructure, and generally having to please more than 300 million Americans and cater to their every whim on a daily basis. As part of his duties, the black man will have to spend four to eight years cleaning up the messes other people left behind. The job comes with such intense scrutiny and so certain a guarantee of failure that only one other person even bothered applying for it. Said scholar and activist Mark L. Denton, \"It just goes to show you that, in this country, a black man still can\'t catch a break.\"
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there\'s your fish.
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Dragon Forge Design
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Keep in mind he only won with 52% of the popular vote..it wasn\'t the land slide the media is making it out to be. Were still a pretty divided country and will continue to be for quite a while.Theirs 56 million plus people unhappy with the results.
Another interesting fact is the total get out to vote numbers in this election was not much more than the 2004 election when bush won with about 51% of popular vote.. what it means is less than 5 million people switched sides..thats not a lot.
2004 election results
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/president/
For those of you you think its going to be awesome that corporations will now be forced to pay higher taxes.. get a hold of your wallets because they wont pay one dime of it..you will with higher prices for all your goods and services.
Another interesting fact is the total get out to vote numbers in this election was not much more than the 2004 election when bush won with about 51% of popular vote.. what it means is less than 5 million people switched sides..thats not a lot.
2004 election results
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/president/
For those of you you think its going to be awesome that corporations will now be forced to pay higher taxes.. get a hold of your wallets because they wont pay one dime of it..you will with higher prices for all your goods and services.
I\'m sad to say I did too. If I had it all to do over again, I\'d have voted third party.
Which mess? The Iraq war? You might be right on that. But the economic mess? That was in large part a creation of the left with their \'affordable housing\' initiatives.
Don\'t get me wrong, the right had their hand in it too, but the mess we are in is clearly bipartisan, and either candidate is highly likely to continue his party\'s part in that mess.
If I hear the word \'change\' one more time, I\'m gonna toss my cookies.
What exactly do you think he\'s going to change? This whole \'change\' and \'hope\' and \'yes we can\' business is all so nebulous and utterly meaningless. It\'s nothing more than political kool-aid and it seems half the world has drank it.
This is truly a case of \"meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.\"
Sure his political rhetoric uses different words than that of his predescessor, but it still boils down to just that: words.
Really? What convinced you of that? The fact that he has the single most liberal voting record in the Senate? The fact that his campaign promises precariously toed the line of marxist socialism?
Nah...couldn\'t have been those things. But I can\'t imagine you\'d make a claim like that based only on \'hunch\' so what have you heard that I haven\'t?
I\'ll agree with that. He is obviously a highly intelligent, eloquent and decent man. And while I fear for what he may (or may not) do, and the effects those actions may have, I too wish only the best. For his sake...and for ours.
For the record, I hope you are all right. I hope that he brings the \'change\' that this country needs. I hope that he engenders a respect and a hope in this nation like the world has never before seen. I hope he gives sight to the blind and makes the lame to walk. It\'s just that I kinda doubt it. And I\'d say the same thing about McCain were people so nebulously attracted to the man.
Color me cynical.
wiccanpony
Official Freak Bar Witch
?????????ok.... real or media , I’ve read on the web some are calling him the new Black Kennedy comparing him with JF Kennedy?????????
Originally posted by mattrock
Really? What convinced you of that? The fact that he has the single most liberal voting record in the Senate? The fact that his campaign promises precariously toed the line of marxist socialism?
Nah...couldn\'t have been those things. But I can\'t imagine you\'d make a claim like that based only on \'hunch\' so what have you heard that I haven\'t?
Actually, it was a couple of articles I read, the most recent in Newsweek two or three weeks ago. It talked about the possibility of how Obama would have to govern a moderately conservative country, and how his policy will be shaped by that.
Plus, I heard several pundits referencing that same sort of thought.
Oh and
CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE
YES WE CAN!!!lol
Dragon Forge Design
New member
Who are controlled by the Democrats with a large Majority.. I doubt they will have much difficulty passing their agenda. The House which is the most liberal has an agenda that they want to push through now that they have a veto proof president.
Keep this in mid everyone, this wasn\'t an election against republican Ideals, it was an election against George Bush.
