Hi Shawn Classroom #1 for OSL... TAB

[residentalien]

Originally posted by Larre
oh no... oh no no no no... why does everyone choose so badly?!? why does everyone choose that ugly whip?!??
can someone tell me that???

// Larre

look CLOSELY at some prior pics my friend. The whip is NOT all there. Its been sawed of 1\" from the wrist........the original one is the most G-awful \"Deer Antlers\" I have ever seen. I am scratch builing mine with Thin Steel rods and GS

 

[Shawn R. L.]

Originally posted by residentalien

Originally posted by Shawn R. L.
Since it has a lot of red and red/orange in the body what I\'d say, at this point, is to project where the light will hit and use a raw sienna and black mix. You will need to hit a fairly narrow band - a warm grey. Not too warm, not too grey....at this point.

I\'m sorry Shawn. are you saying use the warm grey to do basic highlights or are you saying mix the Raw Sienna and black WITH the grey to get warm grey to do basic highlights...........(yes I am that newbish ):redface:

Sorry, I would do the \'normal\' highlighting in simple black and white grey\'s an the OSL in the warmer mix.

 

[Larre]

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Originally posted by Larre
oh no... oh no no no no... why does everyone choose so badly?!? why does everyone choose that ugly whip?!??
can someone tell me that

// Larre
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look CLOSELY at some prior pics my friend. The whip is NOT all there. Its been sawed of 1\" from the wrist........the original one is the most G-awful \"Deer Antlers\" I have ever seen. I am scratch builing mine with Thin Steel rods and GS

I still think that the sword is the best option

// Larre

 

[Hinton]

Hey, Shawn.

It\'s been a pretty busy week, so I didn\'t get a chance to work on this until this morning.

First, I\'m glad that my post didn\'t come across as me saying that I knew better than you; I don\'t. Also, I can\'t take credit for seeing the angles like that; that belongs to Duende - she pointed that out to me (live and learn).

Second, I do see what you\'re getting at, especially in regards to the smaller base. In hindsight, I probably should have gone with a slightly larger base, perhaps even something with a wall to help sell the OSL (again, live and learn).

It doesn\'t show very well in the photos, but I did bring up the highlights on the armor under her left breast. The lighting that I\'m using is casting shadows there. IRL, it\'s fairly bright.

So, here are the pics. The first is a black background, the second a white one and, just for good measure, the third is grey.

 

[Shawn R. L.]

@ Hinton - Sorry but on my monitor the fig is almost pure black. Could you re shoot it with more light? Also, try to use multiple lights to eliminate as many shadows as possible?

 

[Shawn R. L.]

@ Hinton - Sorry but on my monitor the fig is almost pure black. Could you re shoot it with more light? Also, try to use multiple lights to eliminate as many shadows as possible?

 

[Hinton]

Ok, hopefully these are better (black, grey, white):

 

[Shawn R. L.]

Still having some problems with the exposure but I think I can see what is going on.

I would still advise to make the shadow from the bottom of the lamp much smaller. Like I said earlier, I do bend the rules but to a good end. The lit area on the edge, to me, looks detached and by itself...kind of out of context. You do WHATEVER YOU WANT. Just say no and I wont bring it up again.

The face works well.

The belt that holds the book and the edge of the book that\'s lit could use to be lighter.

The apron/cape thing in the front looks good. There\'s a small amount of armor (?) at the hip that could use to come up in lightness too.

The shin guards could be a bit darker.

In the areas that are unlit - the colors need to be duller. That doesn\'t necessarily mean darker. The red of the apron/cape, the guard on the forearm, the hair need to be duller. The red - use red, a touch of black and a touch of white. The hair, brown, black and a bit of white. same for the forearm guard.

On top of both shoulders it looks too bright. Not sure if that\'s a reflection or what.

In the shadow under the lamp you might try drybrushing with a neutral gray to knock some of the color out of it.

 

[Hinton]

Originally posted by Shawn R. L.
I would still advise to make the shadow from the bottom of the lamp much smaller. Like I said earlier, I do bend the rules but to a good end. The lit area on the edge, to me, looks detached and by itself...kind of out of context. You do WHATEVER YOU WANT. Just say no and I wont bring it up again.

I know exactly what you mean by saying it looks detached and I\'m all for bending the rules to achieve a certain effect. I\'m still debating on what to do since changing how the lights falls from the lantern means going back in and changing how the light falls on the mini itself.

So it\'s not a matter of questioning your advice; it\'s simply a matter of whether I want go back in and re-do it or if I simply want to call it done. Ordinarily, I would make that decision, one way or the other, pretty easily.

However, I am painting this for a friend, so I want it to look really good. On the other hand, I wanted it to be a present for their birthday - two months ago. So I\'m torn.

 

[Hinton]

I decided to go ahead paint more light on the ground. I figure if it doesn\'t work or if I don\'t like it, I can always go back and paint it the way it was.

 

[Shawn R. L.]

To me, the light spill on the ground gives more \'substance\' to the light from the lamp.

Like I said earlier, you do whatever you want. When you have had enough just give the word and I\'ll shut my pie hole.

While I like the light on the ground, it does need some adjusting. It\'s so warm and bright that it\'s visually taking over. Put a wash of warm grey over it to darken it and cool down the warmth.

 

[Hinton]

Hey, Shawn.

I toned down the brightness of the light on the ground. Initially I went too far, turned it grey and had to re-paint it. I think I need to bring it down a notch.

Looking at the pic, the armor seems very bright; perhaps brighter than it should be. I\'m thinking of using a very thin glaze of black/dark blue, but wanted to get your opinion on it before I screwed it up.

Thanks!

 

[Shawn R. L.]

Not sure if it\'s my monitor or the actual appearance of the mini (I\'ve learned there can be a HUGE difference in the appearance of a picture on different monitors). It appears to me that the ground is way too bright. It\'s good that the yellow isnt so strong. Try mixing a grey that\'s about the tone of a photographic graycard and add a bit of yellow to that and paint the area. When you first see it it can seem a bit underimpressive but what it does do is reinforce that the light is the source and that the light is the warmest object. It gives MUCH more of a focus to the light effect. Same with the armor, although since it\'s much closer to the light source dont tone it down quite so far.

The saturation on the dark areas is still too much. The areas with color need to be a shade of grey with the \'real\' color add in to that.

If you\'re willing to hang in there with some of this pickey stuff it can be well worth the hassle. It\'s some of this \'small\' stuff that can take OSL from a cute trick to something that is really impressive.

P.S. On the dark side (\"I\'m your father\"lol) take PURE BLACK and make any shadows pure black, of course blending them in.

Also, the bars, little lattice work of the lamp, paint them a rust color - dont get too dark.

 

[TheLeviathan]

I\'ve been wondering how you did the red osl on the following model, especially the colors used.

When I tried something similar on an eldar walker, the effect completely flopped. I was afraid of using anything akin to pink, so that may have had something to do with it. Once I have the pics in my possession, I\'ll post them. But in the mean time, any insight you could provide about how you did this would be great.

I assume you started with the black basecoat and the grey drybrush to block out where the lights would fall, then went in with the colors?

 

[Shawn R. L.]

I\'ll post something more extensive later (bed time here). Post a pic of the piece you said flopped.

 

[Shawn R. L.]

I\'ll explain it now and try to post some sort of diagram later.

Forget your painting an eye and forget that it\'s supposed to be glowing.

Think of a bullseye. The center is pure white - next ring out is yellow - next ring out is the reddest red you can find (cadmium red medium might be a good one) - next ring out is rust color fading to whatever the background is.

This all happens in a very short distance so undercoat the eye white, let that dry. Paint that pure yellow and blend the edges. Blend the rings as they go out. The final step is to go back and put a fairly large dot of white in the center of the eye.

Without doing a whole mini you might take an old one and just experiment with doing the glowing eyes. Post WIP\'s.

 

[cabalier]

hello Im new here read your article see all your minis and love your style. so Im trying osl, i do some basic thing with more or less lucky but with this mini im gettim problems. soo can you help me? my idea here is during a day battle the dreadnought catch this poor tau and is gona burn it , so i want the day colors in all the mini but want the flame effect. so how can i improve this?

really thanks

 

[Shawn R. L.]

Welcome!!

I would need to see the fire. Where is it?

Try to take a picture of the big and little mini together with a black background and post a picture.

 

[cabalier]

i hope this is what you need, thanks for answering, ( BTW Im spanish so my english is not as good as it can be)

 

[Shawn R. L.]

what you have now isnt too bad. Without doing too much I think it can be made better.

The flame - undercoat the whole thing white. When that\'s dry, paint it a bright yellow and blend it to orange at the top.

The little figure - I would paint the yellow areas a rust color.

I have been feeling sick lately and am willing to look but I may be slow in getting back to you and not have as much to say. Please be patient with me.

Your English isnt too bad. Mi Espaniol es mui malo!