Hi Shawn Classroom #1 for OSL... TAB

[Shawn R. L.]

Originally posted by demonherald
ahh I like that.. I was thinking something a little along them lines but lost it by trying to do too much of the blue (my first pic on here) Now I seem to be getting more into this effect I seem to be thinking the darker areas and shadows are AS if not MORE important than the lighted areas..

BINGO


Really has been an inspiration this thread a bit too much as I am looking at every model I do now and wondering what could I make glow on this one????:beer:



Oh well back to the practising ..keep up the good work Sir.....

There many areas where OSL comes in handy and is appropriat without being grandstanding. It\'s life...stuff lights up.

 

[Talion]

Shawn the lamp is going to be Metallic Gold, not NMM......will that make any difference with the highlighting?

Cheers for the help, he\'s slowly starting to pull together.

 

[Hinton]

Hey, Shawn.

Well, I\'m in the process of basing her, but things seem to be slowly falling apart as I get closer to getting this done.

She\'s glossy (trying to locate some Dullcote in town to fix that), the lighting looks all wrong, the NMM looks like stone.... :sigh:

Anyway...any final thoughts before I finish up the base and call this one done?

 

[Shawn R. L.]

Originally posted by Talion
Shawn the lamp is going to be Metallic Gold, not NMM......will that make any difference with the highlighting?

Cheers for the help, he\'s slowly starting to pull together.

It\'s up to you. If you use metallics it will defeat the illusion to a certain extent. With OSL, you are dictating what the light is doing by how you paint the piece. With metallics, they will not be consistant with the rest of the piece. I\'m definately not against metallics, it\'s just that in doing the OSL \'trick\' it conflicts.

Now, IF you want to continue doing this with paint (it\'s completely your pick) you dont need to do the bars and such of the lamp in NMM. Just do the orange like I mentioned above.....do as you wish.

 

[Shawn R. L.]

Originally posted by Hinton
Hey, Shawn.

Well, I\'m in the process of basing her, but things seem to be slowly falling apart as I get closer to getting this done.


****Fear not, all is not lost. Things are actually looking quite well. There are some things that need touching up but there are also some things that are throwing you off.

1 - The figure for now looks fine. I\'ll get back to that after you get the base more intigrated.

2 - The light projecting from the door that is on the ground which the figure is standing is WAY too bright. Put a brown was over it. You want it darker (mahogany) but you also want to keep it warm.

3 - Paint the inside of the doorway with burnt sienna. Or mix orange with some brown and that should give you a workable color.



She\'s glossy (trying to locate some Dullcote in town to fix that), the lighting looks all wrong, the NMM looks like
stone.... :sigh:

4 - One of the hard parts of OSL is when you shoot it you have to be able to light it very evenly. I think this is one thing that may be making it look like it\'s falling apart. It\'s clearly lit from one direction. If you can get a light box, a diffuser or 3-4 lights that you can place around the piece they will fill in for each other. One above, one left and one right.


5 - put a very dark shadow beginning at the feet and streaching away from the mini. You might want to put some small stones in the light spill from the doorway and put a similar shadow going away from them.

Anyway...any final thoughts before I finish up the base and call this one done?


********This may seem like alot but each step is not that much to do and should go quickly....keep yer chin up!

edit - darken the sword.

 

[Hinton]

Ok, Shawn, just about to wrap her up and call her done. Any last thoughts (other than she needs Dullcote; can\'t find that stuff anywhere around here)?

 

[Talion]

Ok, seems to have gone horribly wrong.

Recoverable though I hope.

Take a look.

The shadowing is more detailed than the photo\'s show, it\'s the lamp that seems to have taken a nose dive.

 

[goblinLB]

hinton i like ur osl and mini and the cape needs some dullcote but any chance of were i can get this mini i really like it

 

[Hinton]

Originally posted by goblinLB
hinton i like ur osl and mini and the cape needs some dullcote but any chance of were i can get this mini i really like it

Thanks. This mini is Alidee from Reaper.
Alidee, Female Bandit link

 

[Shawn R. L.]

Originally posted by Hinton
Ok, Shawn, just about to wrap her up and call her done. Any last thoughts (other than she needs Dullcote; can\'t find that stuff anywhere around here)?

There is more that can be done but before I go into any detail I\'ll just ask - are you sick of it and just want to move on? It sounds like your frustrated....

 

[Shawn R. L.]

Originally posted by Talion
Ok, seems to have gone horribly wrong.
Recoverable though I hope.
Take a look.
The shadowing is more detailed than the photo\'s show, it\'s the lamp that seems to have taken a nose dive.

FAR from hopeless. I still think you are well on your way to a winner. There are some problems......nothing big though.


1---- On my monitor the latest shots look dark. It also seems that it is lit from above. Proper lighting is everything when shooting an OSL piece. The illusion is very delicate and greatly affected by how it\'s lit. If you shoot it again put a light on the left and the right of the camrea on the same horizontal plane about 1/2 meter to the left and 1/2 meter to the right of the camera.

2------ The lamp. What you need to do is take the orange and run it all the way to where the parts of the lamp meet the yellow lit area. The black outlines are defeating the lighting effect. Once you have done that put a small stripe of dark orange-brown down the middle of the bars. Dont cover all the orange. You will have the yellow of the lit area, then the orange edge of the bar, the brown stripe, back to the orange on the other side and back to the lit area.

 

[Hinton]

Originally posted by Shawn R. L.
There is more that can be done but before I go into any detail I\'ll just ask - are you sick of it and just want to move on? It sounds like your frustrated....

It\'s not that I\'m frustrated. It\'s just that I\'ve worked on this one more than probably my last three minis combined. I knew it was going to be challenging, but there are times when I think my reach has exceeded my grasp with this one.

Part of me wants to just call it done and move on; part of me wants to make it as good as I can, no matter what.

I\'ve darkened the back part of the sword as well as the gold part, increased the darkness of the shadows, darkened the wall, and tried to tone down the light coming from the window. I also found some Dull Cote (yay!), so the gloss is going away.

You may fire when ready.

 

[Shawn R. L.]

Originally posted by Hinton

Originally posted by Shawn R. L.
There is more that can be done but before I go into any detail I\'ll just ask - are you sick of it and just want to move on? It sounds like your frustrated....

It\'s not that I\'m frustrated. It\'s just that I\'ve worked on this one more than probably my last three minis combined. I knew it was going to be challenging, but there are times when I think my reach has exceeded my grasp with this one.

Part of me wants to just call it done and move on; part of me wants to make it as good as I can, no matter what.

I\'ve darkened the back part of the sword as well as the gold part, increased the darkness of the shadows, darkened the wall, and tried to tone down the light coming from the window. I also found some Dull Cote (yay!), so the gloss is going away.

You may fire when ready.

I\'ll let you pick but here\'s a bit of advice - Frustration can KILL and artistic endevour and is simply takes the fun out of it....turns it into a chore. What you might want to do is get a mini that is rather simple and dont try to do a diorama yet. Just start with something easy, learn the OSL \'trick\' and once you are comfortable go back to the diorama you are working on. A bit of rest can do wonders when working on a difficult piece. What you are doing now is good...really! It does need some work but dont despair. You have a good thing going.

Completely up to you. Want to start a new one or keep going?

 

[Hinton]

Originally posted by Shawn R. L.
Completely up to you. Want to start a new one or keep going?

Ok, I\'ve given it some thought: tell me.

 

[Talion]

Shawn, this little guy\'s getting bogged down with paint from highlighting, dulling down, and shadowing, plus my numerous corrections.

I\'m going to strip the paint off and start again on him. But with what you\'ve taught me, I now have an idea of where stuff should go, and how the OSL works.

You\'ve taught me a lot about OSL it\'s not as scary as it looks. When I get back to the stage I was at I\'ll post more pics (hopefully I\'ll get the photographing sort as well)

I appreciate all your help. Cheers

 

[Shawn R. L.]

Originally posted by Hinton

Originally posted by Shawn R. L.
Completely up to you. Want to start a new one or keep going?

Ok, I\'ve given it some thought: tell me.

All righty then. I\'ll just take this in smaller steps. You need something IN the window to indicate that there is light in there. Were it mine I would make a window out of sheet styrene with a frame and cross bars. Recess it about 1/2 way back in the window opening and paint it yellow.

The ground area that isnt lit, put a dark grey/blue wash on it. It shouldnt be warm at all.

 

[Shawn R. L.]

Originally posted by Talion
Shawn, this little guy\'s getting bogged down with paint from highlighting, dulling down, and shadowing, plus my numerous corrections.

I\'m going to strip the paint off and start again on him. But with what you\'ve taught me, I now have an idea of where stuff should go, and how the OSL works.

You\'ve taught me a lot about OSL it\'s not as scary as it looks. When I get back to the stage I was at I\'ll post more pics (hopefully I\'ll get the photographing sort as well)

I appreciate all your help. Cheers

A fresh start can do wonders. Look forward to seeing what you do.

 

[Hinton]

Originally posted by Shawn R. L.
All righty then. I\'ll just take this in smaller steps. You need something IN the window to indicate that there is light in there. Were it mine I would make a window out of sheet styrene with a frame and cross bars. Recess it about 1/2 way back in the window opening and paint it yellow.

The ground area that isnt lit, put a dark grey/blue wash on it. It shouldnt be warm at all.

Ok, I\'m working those ideas.

However, I think I\'m going to call it done as soon as I finish them. I\'m sure that there\'s quite a bit more I could do, but I just have this feeling that if I try to push too much more on this, I\'m going to burn out.

Thank you very, very much for the help and input. I know I have a much better understanding of OSL and directed lighting (and lighting a mini in general) than I thought I ever could. You\'ve made what seemed to be an almost impossible task possible.

I would be interested in what else you thought could have been done to make it better, just for future reference.

Thanks again, Shawn.

 

[Shawn R. L.]

Originally posted by Hinton
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I would be interested in what else you thought could have been done to make it better, just for future reference.

Thanks again, Shawn.

If you\'re going to call it done, I\'ll keep my comments brief. You had the right things in the right places, they needed a bit of tweaking though. Tone\'s brought up or down and hue\'s adjusted. You are definately starting to get it. When you feel up to it try another one but keep it simple.

 

[Hinton]

Originally posted by Shawn R. L.
If you\'re going to call it done, I\'ll keep my comments brief. You had the right things in the right places, they needed a bit of tweaking though. Tone\'s brought up or down and hue\'s adjusted. You are definately starting to get it. When you feel up to it try another one but keep it simple.

Thanks. I\'ll try to keep the next one simple.