Drafting a Cmon Army:Banding for charity

[Dragonsreach]

Originally by Minigrrl

Another thing I want to stress: IF GW choose not to get involved, this means we will all have to cough up the money to buy the minis ourselves, if you are NOT WILLING to do this, please do not participate, because we cannot rely on GW untill they say \'aye, we\'re in\'. I know we\'re all really excited, but this can still cost us money ourselves.

I think my Overdraft can stand this. As I said before I\'m also willing to help supply mini\'s to someone else as well if needed.

 

[Avicenna]

Woohoo! Looks like it is all coming together!

:bouncy:

edit: I forgot to say, TAB, you can use my avatar... just changed it from the spiderman one...

 

[frenchkid]

Yay, it\'s good to see everything coming along nicely. Big thanks to all the people taking their time to make this come together. Just added the banner to my sig, and if we ever have a site for this I think I can ask allan to have a link along the french help project.
I\'ll be sending my e-mails to tracy and tammy as soon as I\'m back from school, but if you wan\'t to know before dosn\'t bother me to be added to a list and I agree with any legal stuff. Cheers

 

[supervike]

me too!

Originally posted by Minigrrrl
Another thing I want to stress: IF GW choose not to get involved, this means we will all have to cough up the money to buy the minis ourselves, if you are NOT WILLING to do this, please do not participate, because we cannot rely on GW untill they say \'aye, we\'re in\'. I know we\'re all really excited, but this can still cost us money ourselves.

If GW doesn\'t come through, I am happy to cough of money for more minis to help out as well. Plus, I bought myself the \'OGRE ARMY\' just after christmas, so although it pains me, I\'d be willing to donate some of those.....


*EDIT* Ok the more I think about this the more I really want to help. IF GW doesn\'t come through, I am willing to buy the entire army, so no one should have to cough up anything!!

 

[Avicenna]

Originally posted by supervike
*EDIT* Ok the more I think about this the more I really want to help. IF GW doesn\'t come through, I am willing to buy the entire army, so no one should have to cough up anything!!

WOW :wow: now THAT is generous! Do we know if someone has managed to hack into \'vikes account?



I say that in jest.

That is a very kind offer Mr Vike sir

 

[green stuff]

Message original : supervike
Ok the more I think about this the more I really want to help. IF GW doesn\'t come through, I am willing to buy the entire army, so no one should have to cough up anything!!

As generous as that offer may be, I can\'t stand by and accept it. This project started with people who were ready to get the minis themselves. If new comers can\'t afford the mini\'s themselves, there has already been other offers of donations and I\'ll add my own too. So we all know that you have a big heart supervike but you won\'t be alone doing the contribution . Plus wait and see, we might have a couple of surprises . (thank you very much though )

 

[Frustrated Father]

Originally posted by minimaker
@Frustrated Father: Banner looks good and I think I can actually create that look for the nameplate as well (if you don\'t mind me using your idea). As to the font you used. Is that an existing font? Or did you make it in a image editor.

Bye, Ming-Hua

By all means, please feel free to use this banner in any way, shape or form. If ya\'ll want to paint the side of your house with this, or print out stickers and slap them on every vehicle in the parking lot (heh), its not going to bother me in the least. It\'s here to use if ya\'ll wish to.

As for the banner and the font itself, I only took a couple of minutes in Photoshop to cook it up. The font is called \'BN STILE PROJECT\' which if you google, you\'ll find plenty of places to download it from.

The cross is simple to make, you can either make it up with rectangular blocks or just google up \'red cross\' in google under images.

After that, it was the paint splotches and then I used the \'glass\' filters on the font, cross and the largest paint drops.

Whaallaa .. took about eight minutes or so. Thus you can see why I wasn\'t expecting this to be a \'biggie\' so to speak.

As for adding to the banner itself, if I need to do that or if there is something specific someone is looking for, feel free to holler at me.

 

[Sturmhalo]

Ok, I\'ve not read the entire thread as these things can get a little tedious beyond a couple of pages, but it\'s a nice idea from what I gather.

However, if this army thing does come together it\'s going to contain figures painted to varying standards which even though it\'s for charity might put some potential buyers off.

Also, just how much is someone going to pay for an army? It might get a bit over the norm simply because it\'s for charity, but is that really enough to make it worth while all the effort? There\'s the potential for this to be more of a feel good project for those involved than it actually doing any real good (though I guess it could be argued that any amount raised is better than none!).

Wouldn\'t it be better to just get someone like Chern to set up a donation fund or something so we could all paypal money in? That might even raise more than an auction!

If we all feel the need to do something miniatures wise to raise money though, far more money could be raised through the production of some sort of limited figure. The profits of which could go towards the fund. That way we all get a chance to contribute by buying a figure!

Just a thought.

 

[Frustrated Father]

That\'s certainly an opinion Sturm, but I would read the entire thread as it does more or less answer what you\'ve got going on in your noggin\'.

As for donating money, that\'s all well and good, and I\'ve done so myself, and I don\'t think anyone needs to setup a fund specifically to send money - there are plenty of avenues to do that for if you wish.

As for why we are painting an army, well its because we enjoy painting. Simple enough. If it garners a good bit of money, all the better. I\'m sure it will do quite fine actually.

 

[green stuff]

Message original : Sturmhalo
Ok, I\'ve not read the entire thread as these things can get a little tedious beyond a couple of pages, but it\'s a nice idea from what I gather.

Tracy is working on a web site to sumerize the main ideas and decisions that have come up.

Message original : Sturmhalo
However, if this army thing does come together it\'s going to contain figures painted to varying standards which even though it\'s for charity might put some potential buyers off.

I have put up color scheme sketches, Peter has given the Vallejo equivalent, and Tammy is going to do articles on painting technics to get a coherent look.

Message original : Sturmhalo
Also, just how much is someone going to pay for an army? It might get a bit over the norm simply because it\'s for charity, but is that really enough to make it worth while all the effort? There\'s the potential for this to be more of a feel good project for those involved than it actually doing any real good (though I guess it could be argued that any amount raised is better than none!).

Tammy has estimated between 4000 and 5000£ if all goes according to plan.

Message original : Sturmhalo
Wouldn\'t it be better to just get someone like Chern to set up a donation fund or something so we could all paypal money in? That might even raise more than an auction!

Not a bad idea, will have to investigate on that. But for the time being, frenchkid has already posted links to sites that accept donations to various organisations.

Message original : Sturmhalo
If we all feel the need to do something miniatures wise to raise money though, far more money could be raised through the production of some sort of limited figure. The profits of which could go towards the fund. That way we all get a chance to contribute by buying a figure!

The french Golden Daemon winners are making a set of miniatures for Fenryll that will be sold for Asia. Reaper is doing an equivalent project.
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@Frustrated Father : thanks
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[DragonPaint]

Originally posted by Sturmhalo
Also, just how much is someone going to pay for an army? It might get a bit over the norm simply because it\'s for charity, but is that really enough to make it worth while all the effort? There\'s the potential for this to be more of a feel good project for those involved than it actually doing any real good (though I guess it could be argued that any amount raised is better than none!).

I agree with Sturmhalo on this point... but I dont know the market so probably I\'m wrong.

Maybe the original idea (a raffle) will raise some more fund... almost everyone here will buy a \"virtual ticket\" or two (at the price of 2 or 5 dollars) with the aim to win a \"Dream Army\" and many people can join simply spreading the voice on different GW related mailing lists.

The only problem is to track down all the names (maybe with Paypal data?) and do the raffle.

Paolo

 

[Minigrrrl]

well, i do know the market. A gaming standard army, say CMON rating 6/7 overall, will get roughly £300 to £400. This army, where the levels of painting will be coordinated to suit the minis to be painted, with people like Jakob nielsen, Kaple, and a host of other golden demon winning painters sorting out the more prestigous pieces, this army can easily fetch £3000. If GW comes onboard, it can go up to £5000 or even higher, depending on the amount of exposure that can be gathered.

I do not believe that doing a raffle, and ending up with £230 or so is really the way to go, plus it is crunch time, we need to make decisions here, and get started really. although again i\'m doing the \'herr flick\' impersonation here, but this needs to run soon, and the longer people bicker about how we\'re doing things, the less likely it is this is going to happen at all. when stuff like this is concerned, putting everything into an open vote will only delay and most of the time negate the event happening. The question is: do you want to make serious money for this cause and do it professionally and make an impact on the community for doing this, or do you want to paint a few minis and end up with a ramshackle lot of minis that someone will just strip...(ok, i\'m being harsh here, but....I hope you get the point)

 

[Dark Zealot Studios]

i agre with tammy as well as you have to be careful with a raffle as the laws in some states are very weird with them like here in maryland ad penn. you have to get a permit or its consitered a game of chance so I would recamend some legal research first if you go that route.

 

[frenchkid]

Completly agree with tammy here, we\'ve started with the auction idea we stay on track. I definetly think it\'s too late to start thinking of going of tracks. Plus I quit franckly believe it\'s the best option money wise, if you consider the amount that are somtimes beeing spent in mini painted by some well knowned painter I have no trouble imagining an army painted by such a impresive array of painter would fetch a high price. This is most lickly to be a one in a lift time oportunity for collectors to have all those great tallent in one army.

 

[CtanSupportGroup]

No no, I disagree.

This is the best way to show what we can do. It shows the effort that people are putting in to help others.

It\'s brilliant to donate, but this is going one step further.

We may not raise as much money, but the love and compassion that each and everyone has sshown is worth ten times the donation they put forward.

They are putting their time up for others. I am sure that, given the chance, many of the people here would be over there helping, but as you know, they cannot. So this is the next best thing.

I hope this has helped sort out why we are doing this. This is a banding together of a group of like minded people from all over the world, uniting for one cause and helping out.

I say again that it is an honour being associated with these people.

 

[DM of Doom]

?!?!!!

I have read the entire thread (and have discussed it for many hours, as I live with two of the more involved painters on this project.)

I will tell you right now. I don\'t play WH. Personally, I don\'t care for the figs. I wouldn\'t lay out any cash for an army of them, painted or not.

But if you told me that there was a WH army on eBay with contibutions from the best miniature artists around the world, I\'d start looking for a fat sack of cash.

If you then told me that the proceeds were going to help the tsunami victims, I\'d empty that sack and have the best darned painted army ever.

Would I care that they weren\'t entirely cohesive in paintjobs? NO. I\'d be glad that I got to see everyone\'s styles side by side.

Even if I did play WH, would I with this army? Not on your life. This is going to be ART. I\'ve seen the way folks can handle figs on a game table (theirs and others) and I\'m not that trusting. I wouldn\'t even want to transport them to the battlefield.

How much would some one pay? Well, take the time to gander through the galleries of those involved. Check out what these folks get for a single fig. Get that person\'s average price. Add it to the average of the next person\'s single fig price. Continue. Then realize that not everyone has all of their sold minis in the gallery as such. Realize the added value of obtaining works from all of the painters in one go. Realize the added value in that it is going to a charitable cause.

A feel-good project? Yes, those involved should feel good. And proud to be helping others in whatever way they can.

Wouldn\'t it be better to just get someone like SturmHalo to set up a donation fund or something so we could all paypal money in?

Go for it. Great idea.

And did someone say something about this being good for more hits on their websites? This isn\'t about hits on websites, self-promotion, etc. This isn\'t a commercial venture, it\'s an opportunity to help others. Any twisting to the opposite is an insult to those who will give freely...

Just my thoughts.

 

[CtanSupportGroup]

Exactly.

BTW, I\'ve amalgamated the two banners.

Hope you dont mind.

Supervike, that is indeed a very generous offer.

 

[Infidel Castro]

Perspective

Don\'t get shirty!

Think about it...the logistics of doing what you propose to do will see money going to the wrong places.

Unless GW sponsor it/donate minis, the first thing you\'ll be doing is handing over a wad of cash to them that would be better directed to the charities and donation funds to help those who are, to put it mildly, in a fair bit of shit right now. Assuming the best result is that the figs are given over free of charge, the next cut comes when postal services grab your cash as you try and send all the figs to a central location (which has to happen). That\'s more money that can be better used.

On the flip-side you\'ve got the awkward position of trying to sell a mismatched army (I\'ve read the thread and I know the score before anyone tries to correct me). No matter what efforts are made to keep it uniform in outlay, the varying paintjobs will not impress people. Sure, some will be drop-dead gorgeous. Many will be middling-good jobs. There will also be many of poorer quality. Who wants that?

Then you\'ve got real-life intruding on the scheme. Already it has taken a long time to get organised. What price on all figs being completed at the cut-off date? It is going to cause someone nightmares I can promise you that. It has mushroomed, and each answer has raised more questions.

At the risk of alienating myself further (my Alexi_Z and fan boy rant wasn\'t clever), I would suggest you stump up cash to a central fund (as per Sturmhalo\'s point) and then put all that cash forward on a completion date as a contribution from the good people of this site (which you are, clearly). Then, to cover the painting aspect, why not paint one of your own pieces that you already have, auction it and then put all your earnings into another separate fund fronted specifically by the painters? This way there\'ll be no risk. Each person paints one or two minis and auctions as an individual. This will certainly score more cash for the tsunami victims, and cash is, frankly, the important issue.

I\'m glad to see your responses - your compassion is admirable. Just don\'t get too fancy! Pull back and see what the most effective way of making money is and follow that avenue. Don\'t push this out of pride when it seems too cumbersome an idea.

And Ctan, don\'t get pompous about ART. Money and charity is the issue here. Similar with DM of Doom...if you had £5000 spare I\'d suggest pledging it right now chap. Otherwise, don\'t talk crazy.

Tammy, frenchkid, Mike, Peter, Tracy and everyone else, I\'m up for it if you have a better way of preserving the money rather than losing it bit by bit on the way through and having to rely on a large variable to achieve a result.

Hope I haven\'t pissed anyone off....hopefully those who know me will consider what I\'m saying as a serious contribution to this matter.

Finally, well done all of you for having the heart to try something. Just don\'t get carried away, and don\'t lose view of what is required.

And good shout Supervike .

 

[frenchkid]

Well the way I see it you are right in one aspect reverend, there is a little bite of risque involved. But quit franckly I don\'t believe there is that much of a risque ending up with less then what we put in. Might happen but not lickly.
As for making more money by putting the cash in right now, well I think not. The cost of the army is around 500 $ the cost of shipping is around 200 for the whole army to get to one place. so that totals to 700. No where near what we are expecting. And I truly believe that we can make that amount considering that single minis can easily get up to 700$.
You might not be ready to buy an army for that much, but then again are you a collector ? we already have plenty of people who have said taht they would gladly paiy that price could they afford it, and I believe that theire are people out there that not only want to but can afford it.
As for the army beeing mismatched, Well one personne never paints the same mini exactly the same way so even an army painted by one personne is mismatched in that sense, If we use the same colors and distinctive signs I don\'t see were it would go wrong.
But since none of this can be decided by talking, I\'ll just say I\'m willing to take the risque and in the end we\'ll see. IF it dosn\'t work out it\'ll at least be a lesson for futur project that might arrise.

 

[CtanSupportGroup]

Pompous?

I\'ve been called that before...

How so?

I will not rise to this. It is not the place. i was merely commenting on the fact that everyone is being so good about this- I was merely trying to convey my gratitude to everyone, not declaring my self importance.

I would appreciate it if you would not make such a comment again. I am just excited about the prospect of this, so dont ruin it for me.

Actually reverend, I\'ve just though about it. You are right in a sense, I am sorry, money is a more important factor. I ws just merely comenting on how good the idea was etc.

Iam sorry if I offended anyone.