This weeks Official I HATE GW forum

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Braveheart712

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Oddly enough I have found myself defending GW far more often than I slam them but to quote the movie Broadcast News, \"I\'m made a hell and I can\'t take it anymore...\"

Here\'s what happened.. My local gaming group is planning a road trip to the Toronto GT. Tickets went on sale last week for the April 30-May 1 event. I mades some calls and arranged to be gone then. I called Direct Services in Canada to get my ticket and register for the event. What I heard was, \"We\'re sorry it\'s full.\" Are you adding any spots? \"No.\" But it is almost a month away? \"No, we are full, but I can put you on the waiting list.\" Waiting list, like people are going to drop out and send in their tickets, right? So on the bright side GW Canada still had GT and a GD but it seems they could care less about accommidating all interested parties.

Parting shot, the new Space Marines terminator box. $50 for five PLASTIC models? Who says GW doesn\'t have a sence of humor?

Yes in the past I was always the voice that defend the evil Empire, point being that I like the games, but if they wont even allow me to play in their tourneys now, maybe I have heard my wake up call...
 
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bushido

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I don\'t get it. There are only so many spots in a tournament for logistical reasons, and you\'re upset because it filled up so fast? It\'s not like an RTT where you can just show up and drop the $15 if there\'s a spot open.

As for the terminators, if I\'ve said it once, I\'ve said it a thousand times: I\'d much rather buy a box that comes with five fully poseable, easy to convert plastic minis (with a lot of extra parts for other projects) than risk the same amount of money on relatively static WYSIWG metal minis that tend to have horrible mold lines in the worst places. I guess it comes down to this strange notion that metal is inherently better than plastic.
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Braveheart712

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Simple business, when supply does not equal demand you risk angering and alienating potential customers as well as lost revenue from sales that never happened. Case in point, I was also planning on buying some Forgeworld stuff there as well as other merchandise for the vendors present, buy without a spot and a ticket both me and my wallet will stay home.

I agree with you Bushido about the ablity to pose the new plastic models and I also like that. I think they are better in that respect, but my point was the cost. When I take back 5 returnable bottles I get 25 cents back here, and those 5 bottles have more plastic in them that the models, so I am struggling with the justification of pricing them at $50. That was my point maybe someone can give a good explanation for the justification of the price, it is beyond me to understand.
 
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Trevor

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I\'ll explain.

It costs thousands, sometimes 10s of thousands to make a plastic model steel mould (I think thats just the mould, not the salaries for the designers). Once the mould is made it does indeed cost just a few pennies to make the actual model, but they have to recoup the cost of the mould before they make any profit.

That is why plastics appear so expensive. I actually thought the new termies were reasonably priced all things considered.

As for the ticket to the event, I don\'t see what the problem here is, you should have got in there as soon as they became available. If a popular band comes to town, you know you\'ll have to get in quick to get a ticket or you\'ll miss out, this is no different.
 
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Braveheart712

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Trevor, while I agree with you on some level, I still disagree for the following reasons. With regards to the ticket and the band analogy, I think we are comparing apples with oranges. Popular bands do not limit their venues to a mear 50 people like GW did for this event. And using the band analogy, I have know bands to change venues to accommidate larger than anticipated crowds. I am not ignorant to the production and design cost when it comes to the terminators either, just saying that it is better to sell many units and make up the cost over volume rather than by bleeding the smaller group of customers that would but at the higher price. Using the Battle of McCragge box as an example, this HUGE box is cheaper than the terminators plus your get 10 Space Marines, a crapload of Nids, templetes, dice, along with these huge scenery pieces as well as rules. Were the moulds for all these items cheaper? I think not and there are many more moulds here that had to be made. It still seems like price gouging to me as well as the inability to accommodate interested cash spending customers at an event that might actually help grow the hobby or keep it alive. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Trevor, but I still cannot agree.
 
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Infidel Castro

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Toronto is in another country chap. Whatever the reasons for you going to Canada you have to admit that it\'s a GD/GT for another country. In that respect, look a little closer to home :)

The band analogy is actually nailed on, the only difference being that bands don\'t take 25+ 8\' by 4\' tables with them everywhere. Simple really :)
 
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Modderrhu

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Originally posted by reverend
Toronto is in another country chap. Whatever the reasons for you going to Canada you have to admit that it\'s a GD/GT for another country. In that respect, look a little closer to home :)
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Well! When it\'s put that way, I don\'t want to hear any complaints about GD/GT entry from anybody. There are how many in the US each year? Not one in South Africa. Indeed, the closest is 6000 miles away.
 
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praetorian0_1

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I think I can explain the whole box set thing vs the termies.
The boxed beginner set is all about advertizing and starting kids off on their way. Its well worth lessening your profit margins on(a tad), and you will do bigger volume on them to boot. Not fact- just a guess.;)
 
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Spacemunkie

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Praetorian got it right.

It\'s like the smack dealer who hangs around outside schools. He sells very cheap gear, gets the customers hooked and then he\'s set.

Not that I\'d ever compare the two.....:D
 
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Naukhel

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Originally posted by reverend

The band analogy is actually nailed on, the only difference being that bands don\'t take 25+ 8\' by 4\' tables with them everywhere. Simple really :)
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No, that\'s true. A band that can fill a venue like this carries around closer to 50 such tables (catering, sound boards, pre-amps, effects, lighting control boards), two sets of drums (just in case of damage, and this is minimum), anywhere between 20 and 30 guitars (Bon Jovi as an example. Richie Sambora keeps giving his away to lucky dogs in the audience). Microphones, and who knows how many speakers?
Of course, this is talking about bands that may need to change venues for a larger than expected crowd.
For a band like the one I used to be in, we\'d need a mini-van and one guy willing to ride the public transit with his guitar.
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Sturmhalo

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Seems to me if there\'s limited space somewhere, then there has to be a limit on the number of people allowed to enter/take part! Sure you\'re not just being a little blinkered and peeved here braveheart (awaits accusations of killing babies and molesting animals for fun or some such!).

As for cost of new boxed sets... they are a bloody con really. If you really have to have them then you can justify the cost, but they are pointless luxury items really.
 
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Infidel Castro

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Yeah, but bands don\'t put 25 tables in amongst the audience :)

Anyway, to put it another way, who cares a tit if one bloke can\'t get tickets because he\'s too late to get any?
 
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Braveheart712

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Originally posted by reverend
Toronto is in another country chap. Whatever the reasons for you going to Canada you have to admit that it\'s a GD/GT for another country. In that respect, look a little closer to home :)
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Today\'s geography lesson:

Toronto is located directly across the lake ( Lake Ontario ) from Rochester, New York. It is less than about hour by ferry, or a mear 3-3 1/2 drive via Niagara Falls. It is the closest GT and GD I can attend. Yes Canada is another country but last I checked they accepted the US dollar up there too.
 
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Braveheart712

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Originally posted by Sturmhalo

As for cost of new boxed sets... they are a bloody con really. If you really have to have them then you can justify the cost, but they are pointless luxury items really.
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Great point, I agree, but the last luxury item I bought was a DVD player and it was under $50. It plays DVDs alot better than the GW box of termies as well, and was cheaper, and had a whole lot more parts and plastic.
 
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