Public - GW Bashing
- Thread starter Talion
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geesh this is childish...
ok, firstly... I don\'t hear about other companies/celebrities stopping it because I\'m not interested in those other hobbies/activities.
Also, I suspect that a great many of these other \"fans\" gets legally spanked and we just don\'t hear about it.
bitching about one company doesn\'t mean they are the only one. it\'s not the kind of thing it\'s easy to get stats on either is it.
ok, firstly... I don\'t hear about other companies/celebrities stopping it because I\'m not interested in those other hobbies/activities.
Also, I suspect that a great many of these other \"fans\" gets legally spanked and we just don\'t hear about it.
bitching about one company doesn\'t mean they are the only one. it\'s not the kind of thing it\'s easy to get stats on either is it.
Talion
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It\'s called expressing ones opinion
True same here, all the hobbies activites where fan films have been made that i\'m interested in seem to have no problems
could possibly be, but there are plenty of Fan films sites with bigger named companies that exist, I\'m 99% sure they all have\'nt spoken to the IP owners if they can make a fan film
Probably not, but as you said this is one I have an interest in. And I\'m sure there\'s people who agree with me.
What I don\'t understand though, Ok. You want to release fan movie, ok, German copyright law makes it impossible. You figured it out LONG time ago, why wouldn\'t you cross the border to France and release it there, or in any other country with copyright laws agreeable to both sides.. - in Brittan for goodness sake.
Obviously expressing ones opinion is not childish...
But there are all sorts of words like \"seem\" and \"could\" and \"maybe\" and after all is said and done, arguing something based on speculation and assumption never really generates a winner - Just ill feeling.
And on a nice easy going forum like this, rattling the cage by picking a big easy target with lawyers such as GW does seem a little low.
I\'m certainly not advising anyone to love GW but even the thread title is \"GW bashing\". I\'m merely pointing out that GW bashing does not 100% mean GW are in the wrong. The line between fan film and unauthorised use of IP is blurred to say the least.
And even if they are morally wrong and just being spiteful, I don\'t think any forum member here has a real vested interest in one single fan film over another. It\'s not like we poured our life savings in to it.
But there are all sorts of words like \"seem\" and \"could\" and \"maybe\" and after all is said and done, arguing something based on speculation and assumption never really generates a winner - Just ill feeling.
And on a nice easy going forum like this, rattling the cage by picking a big easy target with lawyers such as GW does seem a little low.
I\'m certainly not advising anyone to love GW but even the thread title is \"GW bashing\". I\'m merely pointing out that GW bashing does not 100% mean GW are in the wrong. The line between fan film and unauthorised use of IP is blurred to say the least.
And even if they are morally wrong and just being spiteful, I don\'t think any forum member here has a real vested interest in one single fan film over another. It\'s not like we poured our life savings in to it.
Spacemunkie
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They should just leak it and whack it on Youtube.
Then move house!
Then move house!
GW aren\'t whining on this one, or if they are it\'s because of the German law that\'s stopping the film being released. They are obviously quite happy to have stuff like this made but it\'s all about keeping control of their products.
Despite the rather high prices they charge (although not appreciably higher than similar companies) GW are far from being well off. I\'ve said this in another post but the entire company as a whole, that\'s including FW, Black Library etc, does not make as much profit in a year as one single W H Smiths store in the middle of London. Simply buying the film from the maker wouldn\'t solve the issue of the copyright anyway as he still made it.
Dragonsreach
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Correct, and GW have been approached by the Mighty Mouse to do an aminated movie based on Space Marines.
Alledgedly the Mouse was told to go stick it\'s collective head in a trap...(or words to that effect) due to the complete softening of the story to fit Disney\'s world Image.
However it seems to me that this 110 minutes for 10K Euros is a little bit more than a Fan Flick, and I suspect that there is more than a little interest in getting it bashed out in Cinema\'s rather than El Cheapo DVD\'s.
Personaly I would have loved GW to Bite the Bullet and do a Movie in the same quality as the Warhammer Online Demo. But I doubt that will ever happen given GW\'s financial state.
Spacemunkie
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GW should have snapped the hands off of whoever offered them out on a kiddie cartoon based on their IP.
It\'s exactly what they need at the moment. Space Marine action figures for kiddies aged 5 and up? Awesome advertising and a guaranteed future audience. What muppets.
It\'s exactly what they need at the moment. Space Marine action figures for kiddies aged 5 and up? Awesome advertising and a guaranteed future audience. What muppets.
Mr. Munkie I\'ll refer you to my post on page one. GW can\'t do a film precisely because of the merch rights. Tha t and unless the entire thing was done \"in house\" there would always be significant divergences from the established fluff. Just look at DoW for example. WTF is an IG Colonel doing running around in a pair of lightning claws and duffing people up when he should be miles from the front line sipping amasec and telling his flunkies how to win the war by inflicting the most amount of casualties on their own side lol
There are literally hundreds of Star Wars fan films. Not only have none of them been sued, George Lucas himself has given his blessing to anyone who wants to try. He even gives awards to the best. And I think Star Wars may be slightly bigger than 40k.
The main problem with this whole issue is that they did infact seek permission to do it and GW said \"Yeah, great idea, off you go\", even printing an article on it in the German White Dwarf. It was only when they had finished it and sent it to GW to make sure it was ok did they suddenly get \"Not today sonny jim!\" Plus the only time it was ever going to be on the cinema was for the premier for the cast and crew to watch. Everything, everything after that was going to be a free download from the website.
The main problem with this whole issue is that they did infact seek permission to do it and GW said \"Yeah, great idea, off you go\", even printing an article on it in the German White Dwarf. It was only when they had finished it and sent it to GW to make sure it was ok did they suddenly get \"Not today sonny jim!\" Plus the only time it was ever going to be on the cinema was for the premier for the cast and crew to watch. Everything, everything after that was going to be a free download from the website.
Having worked for GW in the past I know first hand how much litigation they\'ve attracted by lifting other peoples IP wholesale. There was a point when Marvel comics threatened to sue causing a company wide panic.
I noticed in another website this quote - \"they\'ve amended their IP Policy to forbid any such projects in the future.\"
How\'d they get away with that? Everything has a fair use exemption for purposes of parody etc. Methinks that Gw\'s legal team have been laid off and Tony the work experience boy is now drafting up legal policies.
For anyone who wants a laugh - GW IP POLICY
note there\'s a lot of \"asking\" going on in there. Like they\'re not sure how well the legal case will stand up.
Hmm. According to these policies we should all be doing this - \"PHOTOS OF PAINTED MODELS
We encourage fellow hobbyists to show off their painting skills by taking photos of their miniatures and putting the on the site. Please remember to correctly credit the IP - \"miniature © Games Workshop 2003. All rights reserved. Used without permission - model painted by xxxxxxx\"\"
Seriously? Are they retarded? Do Andy Warhol prints come catalogued with \"Canvas by NYC Canvas Co. 1972. All rights reserved. Used without permission - Artwork painted by Andy Warhol\"? No!!!
If Games Workshop ever end up going to court over any of it\'s intellectual property rights then I could see them getting in some hot water over some of the outlandish claims they are making, and don\'t get me started on the employees creative ownership policy.....
I noticed in another website this quote - \"they\'ve amended their IP Policy to forbid any such projects in the future.\"
How\'d they get away with that? Everything has a fair use exemption for purposes of parody etc. Methinks that Gw\'s legal team have been laid off and Tony the work experience boy is now drafting up legal policies.
For anyone who wants a laugh - GW IP POLICY
note there\'s a lot of \"asking\" going on in there. Like they\'re not sure how well the legal case will stand up.
Hmm. According to these policies we should all be doing this - \"PHOTOS OF PAINTED MODELS
We encourage fellow hobbyists to show off their painting skills by taking photos of their miniatures and putting the on the site. Please remember to correctly credit the IP - \"miniature © Games Workshop 2003. All rights reserved. Used without permission - model painted by xxxxxxx\"\"
Seriously? Are they retarded? Do Andy Warhol prints come catalogued with \"Canvas by NYC Canvas Co. 1972. All rights reserved. Used without permission - Artwork painted by Andy Warhol\"? No!!!
If Games Workshop ever end up going to court over any of it\'s intellectual property rights then I could see them getting in some hot water over some of the outlandish claims they are making, and don\'t get me started on the employees creative ownership policy.....
I can\'t blame GW for this one. I know if i created some game world and copyright law stated Joe Blow legally owns a portion of my property because they made a movie of it i would be all over stopping the release.
The movie stopped being fan flick once they asked for official permission for GW to produce the movie. However this is a prime case of why the real movie studios have stables of lawyers on the payroll.
However i do agree on the fact i don\'t see why they don\'t try to release the movie in another country where the German copyright law doesn\'t play an issue. then again i don\'t know copyright laws so they might not be able to release it in another country.
I do have to say that the GW can and can not legal rules do get pretty extreme and funny. Hell your bearly allowed to mention the name Warhammer and if you read the painting Services section your technically suppose to have a license to charge or sell anything GW that you painted.
The movie stopped being fan flick once they asked for official permission for GW to produce the movie. However this is a prime case of why the real movie studios have stables of lawyers on the payroll.
However i do agree on the fact i don\'t see why they don\'t try to release the movie in another country where the German copyright law doesn\'t play an issue. then again i don\'t know copyright laws so they might not be able to release it in another country.
I do have to say that the GW can and can not legal rules do get pretty extreme and funny. Hell your bearly allowed to mention the name Warhammer and if you read the painting Services section your technically suppose to have a license to charge or sell anything GW that you painted.
