new citadel paints

[Avelorn]

If they start to dry out just add some water and perhaps a bit of retarder.

 

[Bloodhowl]

just stock up on what you need, the shelf live will be fine if you don't open them untill needed. who knows how long they have been in the pot before we buy anyway

If they start to dry out just add some water and perhaps a bit of retarder.

I transferred my GW Washes and Foundation Paints (which were purchased when they were first released) into the dropper style bottles and haven't had any problems with them drying out. They also aid with mix ratios and less SWAG when I have to mix colors, as I am terrible at writing things down and occassionaly have CRS (Can't Remember Sh*t) flare-ups.

The dropper bottles also alleviate my clumsy self from accidently knocking over open pots on to the work bench and floor while trying to transfer paint.

Just make sure the lid is screwed all the way on BEFORE shaking the paint. I swear, you forget ONE time to check the lid and splatter Bloody Red on the newly painted morning yellow wall and the Wife will never let you live it down...

 

[Wicksy]

Hey, come on! There are bucketloads of the old GW paint out there you cannot be seriously contemplating stripping them? Are you?

I'd leave it mate.....this smells like troll posts. I would have thought someone spending 20+ hours on each model of their army would be able to mix up a shadow grey replica or do just what others have suggested and hoard up the necessary shades. Sounds like whining for the sake of it.

 

[Coyotebreaks]

I'd leave it mate.....this smells like troll posts. I would have thought someone spending 20+ hours on each model of their army would be able to mix up a shadow grey replica or do just what others have suggested and hoard up the necessary shades. Sounds like whining for the sake of it.

I am not trolling, and I am sorry if it came over that way, it was not my intention.

I will of course try and stock pile paint but my local shop has none so i will need to look around. I do not have the ability to mix my own versions of the colours, not exactly the same as the GW mixes. If I could, I would not be concerned.

Any how again I'm sorry if I came over differently i was just voicing my annoyance at the colour changes. They are at best an inconvenience and at worst allot of work. Right now I do not know where on the scale the problem lies.

 

[Wicksy]

No worries, change can be annoying but we just have to work through it. There used to be a chart that told you how to mix up any citadel colour from the basic primary colours. I wish i still had it to hand. It'd be very handy around now. Using that you could make up your colours and tweek the ratios exactly. Thats gonna be pretty much what GW's old paint makers did.

 

[Avelorn]

@Coyotebreaks: Where are you at? Do a shout out in the forums and I'm sure someone can help you if you pay for postage.

 

[MrPickles]

cmon shop has most of the old paints in stock including space wolves grey and shadow grey. maybe try looking there?

 

[Patyrn]

and yes, except for some choices(I see no point in the "dry" and "glaze" line)

The glazes aren't anything special, but they are kinda nifty. The pictures in the promo video are accurate and look nice.

The drys seemed utterly pointless to me. They don't achieve any better result than drybrushing with regular paints. I think it would have been cool if they'd come up with a nice water-soluable oil paint for the drys, as oils don't chalk up as much.

 

[RuneBrush]

The glazes aren't anything special, but they are kinda nifty. The pictures in the promo video are accurate and look nice.

The drys seemed utterly pointless to me. They don't achieve any better result than drybrushing with regular paints. I think it would have been cool if they'd come up with a nice water-soluable oil paint for the drys, as oils don't chalk up as much.

I've been reading the latest WD, I can sort of see a benefit for the drys and it seems that if you've a heavy drybrush army (I'm thinking skeletons) that they'll be quite useful. What I really can't see the point of is the textured paint... For a tabletop mini I nearly always construct the base as one of the first port of call as if the base doesn't look right I can adjust and fix it without any issues. Blobbing on a textured paint when you've finished just seems like a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[RuneBrush]

I am not trolling, and I am sorry if it came over that way, it was not my intention.

I will of course try and stock pile paint but my local shop has none so i will need to look around. I do not have the ability to mix my own versions of the colours, not exactly the same as the GW mixes. If I could, I would not be concerned.

Any how again I'm sorry if I came over differently i was just voicing my annoyance at the colour changes. They are at best an inconvenience and at worst allot of work. Right now I do not know where on the scale the problem lies.

I'm a big SW collector and am really looking forward to the idea that I can have a mix of slightly varied armour in my army, I've got just over half done with the old paints and the rest I'm going to do with the new ones. I think it'll really add a nice mix to them - after all they're not that fussed about paint shades. The one thing I will do is to make sure that all of the pelts and trinkets are painted the same (along with the bases).

 

[MAXXxxx]

I do not have the ability to mix my own versions of the colours, not exactly the same as the GW mixes.

don't worry, as most of the colors differ from batch to batch. So even the producing company won't match the exact shade.

The glazes aren't anything special, but they are kinda nifty. The pictures in the promo video are accurate and look nice.

The drys seemed utterly pointless to me. They don't achieve any better result than drybrushing with regular paints. I think it would have been cool if they'd come up with a nice water-soluable oil paint for the drys, as oils don't chalk up as much.

glazes: tried them, my biggest problem is that there are 4 colors, all bright, clean fluo-like. So it's still easier to thin down normal paint I need

dry: for gamers it could be good, thick enough to be quikly done with the drybrush step and be done with it, not everyone aims to get their minis to a high standard, a lot of gamers would AIM for a score of 3-4 here on CMON (wheter they achieve it or not (or even more) is another thing). The consistency is clearly not for me, which is a shame, as there are about 5 colors that I like in there.

What I really can't see the point of is the textured paint...

fast armies, where the base is kept as simple as it can be. Again not for us, but for the average gamer it could be really useful. Hmm and knowing some great painters here, who like to experiment, maybe they'll find a different mindblowing use for them
The only thing where I don't see the point is, that if you take some sand, pva, water and a color that you like, you could easily mix us a much larger batch at home for yourself.
To be completely honest, if these were released when I started I'd used them for my first 40K army (as they are based simply as painted sand + static grass), I don't build scenic bases for all the armies I have/play, just for skirmish games and those figures I'd like to see in a vitrin.

 

[GraveRisen]

dry: for gamers it could be good, thick enough to be quikly done with the drybrush step and be done with it, not everyone aims to get their minis to a high standard, a lot of gamers would AIM for a score of 3-4 here on CMON (wheter they achieve it or not (or even more) is another thing). The consistency is clearly not for me, which is a shame, as there are about 5 colors that I like in there.

Couldn't agree more. They seem like decent speed painting tools, but no matter what you do or how you sue them, the dries are just TOO chalky to be used for any character level or competition paint job.

I've tried out a good range of bases and layers, and I'm.... reluctantly impressed. The bases are thin, much thinner than foundations... but they cover just as well. Actually better, really. And I did some experimenting with mixing layers and bases. They mix just fine, and I was able to get it t blend from primer black to an enchanted blue type shade in 1 brush stroke. not even 1 layer.... I brush stroke. Perfect blend from black to blue.

the downside is these paints behave VERY differently from the older range, especially when being thinned down. They're good. Really good. But it's going to take a bit of re-learning how they behave with water, medium, thinning, drybrushing, etc

 

[gilljoy]

Couldn't agree more. They seem like decent speed painting tools, but no matter what you do or how you sue them, the dries are just TOO chalky to be used for any character level or competition paint job.

I've tried out a good range of bases and layers, and I'm.... reluctantly impressed. The bases are thin, much thinner than foundations... but they cover just as well. Actually better, really. And I did some experimenting with mixing layers and bases. They mix just fine, and I was able to get it t blend from primer black to an enchanted blue type shade in 1 brush stroke. not even 1 layer.... I brush stroke. Perfect blend from black to blue.

the downside is these paints behave VERY differently from the older range, especially when being thinned down. They're good. Really good. But it's going to take a bit of re-learning how they behave with water, medium, thinning, drybrushing, etc

Someone posted over on dakkadakka / warseer that they thinned out the new dry range and they seemed to work quite well.

I'm going to pick up a selection of paints tomorrow to use with my vampires,theres some really nice looking metalics that I think would look quite well on them along with trying out the new bone coloured dry stuff, got a massive horde of skeletons to paint up.

If the paints have changed for the good I'm all for the change, but RIP boltgun metal

 

[TrystanGST]

I did get a chance to play with the new paints at a store, and while they might not be ideal for the competition painters, tbh that's not who they're aimed at. The way I see it, they're a great thing for people who are more into playing than painting. With the new options they can have better base results without having to master all the skills the pro painters take for granted. Plus, the new texture paints are cool.

 

[gilljoy]

I did get a chance to play with the new paints at a store, and while they might not be ideal for the competition painters, tbh that's not who they're aimed at. The way I see it, they're a great thing for people who are more into playing than painting. With the new options they can have better base results without having to master all the skills the pro painters take for granted. Plus, the new texture paints are cool.

New shades of metalics are always cool too

 

[Chris S]

yeah but why discontinue the colors that people like/need/want? smacks of disrespect towards customers. at least giving people ample warning that their colors were going off the shelves and let people stock up. Or give people a way to buy both. Nah, GW doesn't have that kind of regard for their customer. They are all about the newbie and don't give a damn about loyalty.

You got that right.

 

[crystella333]

I think that GW with its paints should stick to focusing on the newbie. Not because It's necessarily fair to long term customers, but because most of the better painters out there don't use GW anyway. There is already enough of a reason not to use GW paints unless you're a newbie, and don't know anything else. Especially with the increased quality and better price of Reaper or Vallejo. So, focusing on the newbie, with its paints, is probably just what GW needs.

yes gw paint sucks, bad quality, bad price etc. nobody who paints competitively or for high quality display minis would ever think of using GW.

Oh really? A painter will use the paint that best suits them for the model they are painting. I have seen some awesome high end paint jobs done in GW paints. So sorry, but you guys that say only beginner's and newbie's use GW paints is an insult

 

[Wicksy]

Whoever says that great results cant be achieved with GW paints is either a troll or hasnt seen some of the epic mini's posted by the likes of Jeremie Bonamont, Tommy Soule, Jakob Nielson....... to name but a few off the top of my head.

 

[Avelorn]

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[Bloodhowl]

Oh really? A painter will use the paint that best suits them for the model they are painting. I have seen some awesome high end paint jobs done in GW paints. So sorry, but you guys that say only beginner's and newbie's use GW paints is an insult

While we agree to disagree on Cost/quality/volume of GW paint vs. other brands, I think Mr. Pickles would agree that he was being sarcastic when he said top painters would not use GW paints. :smile: