Musical Squiggoth
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freakinacage
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good stuff man - love that montage. great to hear a bit of aerosmith too - going to see them soon so am totally in the mood. can\'t wait to see how this baby pans out
emopainterguy
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Fantastic idea. The video log is great too. Im afraid I can\'t really give any advice on where to put the other speaker, I can only hope that you figure it out soon...
*edit*:idea: OOOOOOO! What if you made an amp for one of the goff rockers and used that?
*edit*:idea: OOOOOOO! What if you made an amp for one of the goff rockers and used that?
jamsessionein
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Alright - no video with this one, as it\'s not so much progress as analysis, and I can\'t really film effectively in macro.
I\'ve spent the past few hours really thinking this squiggoth over as to what I want to do. The first speaker\'s fine - I actually spent a little time hollowing out the back of the throat a bit more and carving it so the acoustics would project forward a bit more, and it\'s ended up being notably louder.
Now, here\'s the circuit that powers the speaker assembly...
from the side of the howdah so you can get an idea of how much clearance there is already between the body and howdah...
Of course, the 4x AAA batteries have to be put somewhere as well. I\'d shove all this stuff inside the squiggoth and be done with it, but I couldn\'t get to any of it in there - it would suck if I had to remove the squiggoth\'s head every time I wanted to turn the speakers on or use the mp3 player.
I should mention a few things:
1) I do not want the speakers or electronics to be visible anywhere. Having it exposed somewhere, be it on a tower or mounted on the howdah or anything like that, isn\'t really what I want to do. I think it\'d be far more... interesting.. if I just kept all of that stuff concealed so that people would walk in on a game or something, hear music, and ask where the hell it\'s coming from.
2) This will probably not be based. This is a gaming model for me, and I think a base would make it a bit too unwieldy.
I\'ve seriously been considering doing one of the following things:
- Now that the speaker\'s louder, I may ditch the 2nd one all together, as I haven\'t figured out a place where I can logistically fit it. Under the howdah\'s a nice thought, but I don\'t think there\'s room for it, and even if I hollow the back down (which I have held off doing so far due to fears of ruining the model) I don\'t know if it\'s worth the trouble.
- I could build an entirely new howdah for this thing. I\'d probably model it after the Dawn of War howdah, except that it\'s closed-topped. I don\'t even know if that matters, as it\'s technically not a vehicle (It has wounds and such) but I am under the impression that for WYSIWYG rules I need to emphasize that orks would be firing from the howdah. The upside to this is I could design the howdah around the speaker and electronics, and maybe even add a few extra lights or something. I almost don\'t want to do this because it\'d be such a pain in the ass to build something that fits as flat on the squiggoth\'s body from scratch, and I don\'t really have a plan for what I\'d make if I did this.
- One of my friends had an interesting idea while watching me dremel - he noticed the smoke coming off the dremel bit because it was getting ridiculously hot and saw the smoke coming out of the squiggoth\'s mouth, which I\'m told looks pretty cool. I wonder if it\'d be possible to put a smoke machine inside the squiggoth\'s head - one of those evaporators, you know, the stuff you see in Spencers. Kind\'ve a silly idea, though - it\'d most likely wreak havoc on the paint, and I don\'t think it\'s quite as cool as sound.
What do you guys think? I\'ve hesitated to mess with the squiggoth\'s back so far mostly out of paranoia of wrecking the thing - when I went to the hobby store today and showed the guys there what I was working on, they basically all called me insane for even considering taking a power tool to it.
I\'ve spent the past few hours really thinking this squiggoth over as to what I want to do. The first speaker\'s fine - I actually spent a little time hollowing out the back of the throat a bit more and carving it so the acoustics would project forward a bit more, and it\'s ended up being notably louder.
Now, here\'s the circuit that powers the speaker assembly...
from the side of the howdah so you can get an idea of how much clearance there is already between the body and howdah...
Of course, the 4x AAA batteries have to be put somewhere as well. I\'d shove all this stuff inside the squiggoth and be done with it, but I couldn\'t get to any of it in there - it would suck if I had to remove the squiggoth\'s head every time I wanted to turn the speakers on or use the mp3 player.
I should mention a few things:
1) I do not want the speakers or electronics to be visible anywhere. Having it exposed somewhere, be it on a tower or mounted on the howdah or anything like that, isn\'t really what I want to do. I think it\'d be far more... interesting.. if I just kept all of that stuff concealed so that people would walk in on a game or something, hear music, and ask where the hell it\'s coming from.
2) This will probably not be based. This is a gaming model for me, and I think a base would make it a bit too unwieldy.
I\'ve seriously been considering doing one of the following things:
- Now that the speaker\'s louder, I may ditch the 2nd one all together, as I haven\'t figured out a place where I can logistically fit it. Under the howdah\'s a nice thought, but I don\'t think there\'s room for it, and even if I hollow the back down (which I have held off doing so far due to fears of ruining the model) I don\'t know if it\'s worth the trouble.
- I could build an entirely new howdah for this thing. I\'d probably model it after the Dawn of War howdah, except that it\'s closed-topped. I don\'t even know if that matters, as it\'s technically not a vehicle (It has wounds and such) but I am under the impression that for WYSIWYG rules I need to emphasize that orks would be firing from the howdah. The upside to this is I could design the howdah around the speaker and electronics, and maybe even add a few extra lights or something. I almost don\'t want to do this because it\'d be such a pain in the ass to build something that fits as flat on the squiggoth\'s body from scratch, and I don\'t really have a plan for what I\'d make if I did this.
- One of my friends had an interesting idea while watching me dremel - he noticed the smoke coming off the dremel bit because it was getting ridiculously hot and saw the smoke coming out of the squiggoth\'s mouth, which I\'m told looks pretty cool. I wonder if it\'d be possible to put a smoke machine inside the squiggoth\'s head - one of those evaporators, you know, the stuff you see in Spencers. Kind\'ve a silly idea, though - it\'d most likely wreak havoc on the paint, and I don\'t think it\'s quite as cool as sound.
What do you guys think? I\'ve hesitated to mess with the squiggoth\'s back so far mostly out of paranoia of wrecking the thing - when I went to the hobby store today and showed the guys there what I was working on, they basically all called me insane for even considering taking a power tool to it.
emopainterguy
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The only problem I can forsee with ditching the other speaker is that if you want to play something with distinct left and right sounds you may kinda get screwed, unless you can set it to mono, or maybe wire the second speakers source into the first. I do agree that it would be much better to have it all hidden and out of sight. It would really make for a cool surprise. I hope you get it all straightened out. Good luck, and keep posting .
.Gilvan Blight
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For the other speaker what about the opposite end of the model.. you know where I mean...
Actually then use your pc and record distinct right and left speaker tracks. One would be all roars etc, the other would be... well you know...
Actually then use your pc and record distinct right and left speaker tracks. One would be all roars etc, the other would be... well you know...
Bengoodall
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Yeah, the logical thing to me would be just to scratch build the metal boxed roof on top of the existing howdah, and put lots of fire slots in it, much like the chimera sides, still has firing options, but without using the miniatures.
Whether you could just build up from where it is now, or add a second level is a different story, possibly a boxed in level, with the speaker and extras in, and make it with a spring down flap so you can access it, and then build a second level with the band (Ive added a rock band in now) on it.
Mind, if you had to go down into the body itself, could you not just drill several holes in a sqaure, using something like a 2 or 3 mm bit, and then work your way inwards, giving you room to move without risking breaking anything.
You do have quite a lot of room inbetween where you would be drilling, and where the bottom of the howdah comes down though.
Whether you could just build up from where it is now, or add a second level is a different story, possibly a boxed in level, with the speaker and extras in, and make it with a spring down flap so you can access it, and then build a second level with the band (Ive added a rock band in now) on it.
Mind, if you had to go down into the body itself, could you not just drill several holes in a sqaure, using something like a 2 or 3 mm bit, and then work your way inwards, giving you room to move without risking breaking anything.
You do have quite a lot of room inbetween where you would be drilling, and where the bottom of the howdah comes down though.
hmm...heres an idea. The closed top on the howdah would conceal alot of detail and opportunity....so what about some kind of canopy? keep it open on the sides enough to see the detail inside, but still have the top covered. Then you could throw that other pesky speaker up into the canopy pointing down onto the boyz in the howdah with the wiring going up one of the canopy supports...i know i like music when i\'m driving...maybe they do too! As for the mechanics of it...the circuits could go underneath the howdah like you said, and maybe have the batteries housed in something on the side of the squiggoth? you could disguise the battery housing as some kind of cargo or cannisters of fuel for meltas or even booze!
Just throwin out some ideas for ya ein...cant wait to see more progress!
heh...btw i think we should have a huge cmon party for when you actually finish a WIP! lol
Just throwin out some ideas for ya ein...cant wait to see more progress!
heh...btw i think we should have a huge cmon party for when you actually finish a WIP! lol
jamsessionein
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I like the canopy idea - I\'ll see if I can\'t work on that a bit. Perhaps a piece of leather would make a good start.
I\'ve put together a small playlist of what I have planned to put on the squiggoth so far. I unfortunately can\'t embed it in the forums, so click here to listen.
I think the 2nd song down might actually be my favorite for Orks.
I\'ve put together a small playlist of what I have planned to put on the squiggoth so far. I unfortunately can\'t embed it in the forums, so click here to listen.
I think the 2nd song down might actually be my favorite for Orks.
If you\'re having trouble fitting the second speaker into the model why not put it in plain sight on the model instead. Mount it in some kind of gantry on the front of the howdah and then have a kind of gramophone type horn at the back going to your warboss bellowing commands at the rest of the army. That way you could record two channels, one with gutteral roars coming from the speaker in the squiggoths mouth and the other with bellowed exhortations and curses from the warboss speaker. They could even sing duets lol
Bengoodall
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Althought theres a lot of good music in there, I dont think its kind of,...orky enough..........
philologus
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I can\'t wait to see this finished. Your Ork force will be out of control when you combine this squiggoth and that gargant. (I am still in withdrawal from no updates on that monster).
jamsessionein
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So, I\'ve resumed work on this thing now, having successfully weathered all of my midterms.
I\'m resolved to be building my own howdah, but I\'m having a hard time figuring out what I want to do with it.
Here\'s what I know:
- There will be 2 Zzap Guns, hopefully on pivots so LoS isn\'t a problem.
- There will be 4 Twin-Linked Rokkits, and while I would like them to be on pivots I doubt I\'ll be able to
- There will be 5 Bolt-on Big Shootas
- There will be a Big Mek riding this thing with a Kustom Force Field
- There will be 8 Flash Gitz with him, 4 of whom have Big Shootas.
With all that said, I\'m thinking about how much bigger I want to make my Howdah over the Forgeworld one. I sort\'ve want to bulk it out a little bit to properly accomodate all the electronics and speaker. I am thinking that because the Big Mek is going to be riding along on this thing, he needs a special place to stand, probably towards the front of the Howdah so he gets the best view... The models riding along are all going to be based separately - not part of the actual model.
The problem I\'m having at present is that nothing is creatively striking me as a starting point for building this Howdah. I don\'t really have a mental image in my head. As such, I was hoping some of you fellas might be able to help get the old wheels turning, as it were.
I\'ll be playing around in Sketchup for a little while trying to see if I can come up with anything.
I\'m resolved to be building my own howdah, but I\'m having a hard time figuring out what I want to do with it.
Here\'s what I know:
- There will be 2 Zzap Guns, hopefully on pivots so LoS isn\'t a problem.
- There will be 4 Twin-Linked Rokkits, and while I would like them to be on pivots I doubt I\'ll be able to
- There will be 5 Bolt-on Big Shootas
- There will be a Big Mek riding this thing with a Kustom Force Field
- There will be 8 Flash Gitz with him, 4 of whom have Big Shootas.
With all that said, I\'m thinking about how much bigger I want to make my Howdah over the Forgeworld one. I sort\'ve want to bulk it out a little bit to properly accomodate all the electronics and speaker. I am thinking that because the Big Mek is going to be riding along on this thing, he needs a special place to stand, probably towards the front of the Howdah so he gets the best view... The models riding along are all going to be based separately - not part of the actual model.
The problem I\'m having at present is that nothing is creatively striking me as a starting point for building this Howdah. I don\'t really have a mental image in my head. As such, I was hoping some of you fellas might be able to help get the old wheels turning, as it were.
I\'ll be playing around in Sketchup for a little while trying to see if I can come up with anything.
Bengoodall
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How about something kind of like the lord of the rings mamuk, with the head boy at the front, with the reins in his hands,and then a several story howdah, working its way in like a pyramid, big guns down the bottom, then working up to shooters at the top, and possibly having waist gunners, to keep infantry off the sides.
jamsessionein
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I hate to bump this thread up with no real new progress shots (though progress has been made, in some ways) but an idea has just struck me that I find monumental and I wanted to get feedback on it.
Periodically people would remind me that Goff Rokkers would go well with the musical aspect of the squiggoth, but I\'ve generally been writing it off as a more \'fun\' thing than anything. However, a particular picture somebody sent me today has inspired a horrible 2nd-edition style idea at the very deepest levels of my orky desires:
Now, this might seem like just an awesome image, which it is. However, it\'s also much more.
I\'m struck with the idea of turning the entire squiggoth into a roving concert. Instead of traditional Flash Gitz with shootas and big shootas, my Flash Gitz will be armed to da teef with kustom noise-marine-esque shootas resembling guitars. The sort of thing pictured above would represent a flash git with a shoota. What would represent a big shoota?
What other than a double-barreled guitar shoota?
Even better, I could put a few of the humorous conversions I\'m fond of in - a grot on vocals, and one lighting the \'pyrotechniks\' that would serve as the 4x Rokkit Launchas I was going to model onto the squiggoth. The only thing I\'m trying to figure out is how I would manage a Big Mek with a Kustom Force Field - I am thinking something either amp or drum related is in order.
The drums could actually be interesting - I have the drums and drum arms from the fantasy orks that I could include, and I could maybe figure out a way to wire them into controlling the zzap guns. Hit the left drum? Left zzap gun fires. Hit the right? Righthand zzapy.
I hate to scrap a lot of my previous ideas for this sucker, but this just seems too good to pass up, especially as the squiggoth already plays music. What do you guys think?
Periodically people would remind me that Goff Rokkers would go well with the musical aspect of the squiggoth, but I\'ve generally been writing it off as a more \'fun\' thing than anything. However, a particular picture somebody sent me today has inspired a horrible 2nd-edition style idea at the very deepest levels of my orky desires:
Now, this might seem like just an awesome image, which it is. However, it\'s also much more.
I\'m struck with the idea of turning the entire squiggoth into a roving concert. Instead of traditional Flash Gitz with shootas and big shootas, my Flash Gitz will be armed to da teef with kustom noise-marine-esque shootas resembling guitars. The sort of thing pictured above would represent a flash git with a shoota. What would represent a big shoota?
What other than a double-barreled guitar shoota?
Even better, I could put a few of the humorous conversions I\'m fond of in - a grot on vocals, and one lighting the \'pyrotechniks\' that would serve as the 4x Rokkit Launchas I was going to model onto the squiggoth. The only thing I\'m trying to figure out is how I would manage a Big Mek with a Kustom Force Field - I am thinking something either amp or drum related is in order.
The drums could actually be interesting - I have the drums and drum arms from the fantasy orks that I could include, and I could maybe figure out a way to wire them into controlling the zzap guns. Hit the left drum? Left zzap gun fires. Hit the right? Righthand zzapy.
I hate to scrap a lot of my previous ideas for this sucker, but this just seems too good to pass up, especially as the squiggoth already plays music. What do you guys think?
