Definitions of Cool
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TwelveMilesOut
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two slices of dry white toast...
I\'ve also found myself voting the \"holy crap\" system. As I\'ve mentioned, I\'m at work. If a figure looks good enough to make me swear in front of coworkers and customers (and it happens), they definitely deserve a 9-10.
I recently posted my first figure on CMON, and then read the photography articles and reposted it two weeks later. Though I think it looks pretty good now, I\'m scoring a 4.5. I found this confusing, as I\'m sure many of us did after posting our first figures. I\'m hoping I won\'t have to paint a Black Templars rhino in order to clear a 6.
I guess everybody hates KenzerCo. I\'d agree that their molds are crap and their entire line is silly, but I\'d argue with anyone who said they aren\'t cool.
I\'ve also found myself voting the \"holy crap\" system. As I\'ve mentioned, I\'m at work. If a figure looks good enough to make me swear in front of coworkers and customers (and it happens), they definitely deserve a 9-10.
I recently posted my first figure on CMON, and then read the photography articles and reposted it two weeks later. Though I think it looks pretty good now, I\'m scoring a 4.5. I found this confusing, as I\'m sure many of us did after posting our first figures. I\'m hoping I won\'t have to paint a Black Templars rhino in order to clear a 6.
I guess everybody hates KenzerCo. I\'d agree that their molds are crap and their entire line is silly, but I\'d argue with anyone who said they aren\'t cool.
K
klute_in_the_valute
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sorry about the \"missing link\"lol
Dont be put off by this,scoring seems to have taken the harsh trend lately.
kittykat23uk
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Heres a basic guide to how I score minis:
10 - Makes me say Wow! or something like that. The painting and colour choice has to be exceptionally well executed and the piece generally is of a subject that I find interesting. May contain some or all of: superbly executed freehand, lighting effects, smooth blending and good basing (though not necessarily so ) as long as the figure overall is well blended and well presented. Composition must be superb. At this level, phtography is just as important and the photograph is clear and crisp. For greens, they have to be exceptionally well sculpted and probably of a subject that I find interesting.
9- Also blows me away, but the subject matter is not as interesting to me personally or the painting is not quite as well executed. Composition must be excellent. Again, photograpy has to be very well presented. For greens, they have to be exceptionally well sculpted but maybe not of a subject that I find interesting or not quite as well executed but still excellent work.
8- Again, looking at a piece which I\'d give an 8 would generally cause me to say something between very nice to really cool. Blending may not be quite as smooth as a 9, there may be colour choices that don\'t quite work together. Bases may be a little plainer (although if the overall painting is worthy of a 10 but the base is plain - as with Rackham- I wouldn\'t vote down for that). Composition is very good, but may be a bit busy. Photography may not be as crisp or as well presented as a 9 or 10. For greens, they have to be well sculpted but maybe not of a subject that I find interesting or not quite as well executed but still great work. Some areas may be out of proportion which may detract from the overall look, despite being well excecuted.
7- For this score, I\'d expect the subject to be well executed, painting is neat, highlighted and shaded and there may be some more advanced techniques used. Overal presentation and composition is good, though not exceptional. There are some areas for improvement but overal the piece still looks impressive. For greens, they have to be nicely sculpted but may be quite samey to ones currently in production. So, less imaginative.
6- For a 6 I would consider the mini to be well painted, neat and tidy, but not overly imaginative. The painting may be superior, but the photography may let it down. The composition of the piece may also have some problems. For greens, they have to be nicely sculpted but may be quite samey to ones currently in production and/or have a few areas of improvement. The could also be plainer than some of the higer scoring ones.
5- For a 5 I\'d expect the painting to be fairly bog-standard, colours blocked out, quite neat, drybrishing rather than blending for highlights. Maybe slightly messy. Photograpy might be a bit blurry, etc. Greens are similar to ones produced 20 years ago. There is not much detail and/or proportions are off.
4- I would expect the painting to be a bit messy, maybe a bit too thick, colour choice not great, or bad photography. For greens, malformed.
3- As for 4 but worse.
2- Really bad, bare metal, or covered in paint. Greens - a lump of greenstuff..
1- absolutely terrible.
It\'s purely subjective and I tend to go on my gut reaction, but this is the sort of thing that I subconciously take into account.
Regards
Kat
10 - Makes me say Wow! or something like that. The painting and colour choice has to be exceptionally well executed and the piece generally is of a subject that I find interesting. May contain some or all of: superbly executed freehand, lighting effects, smooth blending and good basing (though not necessarily so ) as long as the figure overall is well blended and well presented. Composition must be superb. At this level, phtography is just as important and the photograph is clear and crisp. For greens, they have to be exceptionally well sculpted and probably of a subject that I find interesting.
9- Also blows me away, but the subject matter is not as interesting to me personally or the painting is not quite as well executed. Composition must be excellent. Again, photograpy has to be very well presented. For greens, they have to be exceptionally well sculpted but maybe not of a subject that I find interesting or not quite as well executed but still excellent work.
8- Again, looking at a piece which I\'d give an 8 would generally cause me to say something between very nice to really cool. Blending may not be quite as smooth as a 9, there may be colour choices that don\'t quite work together. Bases may be a little plainer (although if the overall painting is worthy of a 10 but the base is plain - as with Rackham- I wouldn\'t vote down for that). Composition is very good, but may be a bit busy. Photography may not be as crisp or as well presented as a 9 or 10. For greens, they have to be well sculpted but maybe not of a subject that I find interesting or not quite as well executed but still great work. Some areas may be out of proportion which may detract from the overall look, despite being well excecuted.
7- For this score, I\'d expect the subject to be well executed, painting is neat, highlighted and shaded and there may be some more advanced techniques used. Overal presentation and composition is good, though not exceptional. There are some areas for improvement but overal the piece still looks impressive. For greens, they have to be nicely sculpted but may be quite samey to ones currently in production. So, less imaginative.
6- For a 6 I would consider the mini to be well painted, neat and tidy, but not overly imaginative. The painting may be superior, but the photography may let it down. The composition of the piece may also have some problems. For greens, they have to be nicely sculpted but may be quite samey to ones currently in production and/or have a few areas of improvement. The could also be plainer than some of the higer scoring ones.
5- For a 5 I\'d expect the painting to be fairly bog-standard, colours blocked out, quite neat, drybrishing rather than blending for highlights. Maybe slightly messy. Photograpy might be a bit blurry, etc. Greens are similar to ones produced 20 years ago. There is not much detail and/or proportions are off.
4- I would expect the painting to be a bit messy, maybe a bit too thick, colour choice not great, or bad photography. For greens, malformed.
3- As for 4 but worse.
2- Really bad, bare metal, or covered in paint. Greens - a lump of greenstuff..
1- absolutely terrible.
It\'s purely subjective and I tend to go on my gut reaction, but this is the sort of thing that I subconciously take into account.
Regards
Kat
Nailpainter2003
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I really like the simplicity of the expletive aproach!lol
10- \"Holy Crap!\"
9- \"Ahhhhh!\"
8- \"Oooooo!\"
7- \"Nice one!\"
6- \"Interesting, but I can\'t put my finger on the discord?!\"
5- \"Hmmmm...maybe, maybe not.(might be a little better after a pint, or two?)\"
4- \"Are you kidding me?\"
3- \"Are you completely blind?\"
2- \"God, I\'d rather be in a dentist\'s chair!\"
1-\"Oh, for f*ck\'s sake!\"
P.S. Supervike, while you\'re at it, would you mind bringing me the latest edition of Playgirl, a cold brewsky, a foot-long and the remote....pretty please?
10- \"Holy Crap!\"
9- \"Ahhhhh!\"
8- \"Oooooo!\"
7- \"Nice one!\"
6- \"Interesting, but I can\'t put my finger on the discord?!\"
5- \"Hmmmm...maybe, maybe not.(might be a little better after a pint, or two?)\"
4- \"Are you kidding me?\"
3- \"Are you completely blind?\"
2- \"God, I\'d rather be in a dentist\'s chair!\"
1-\"Oh, for f*ck\'s sake!\"
P.S. Supervike, while you\'re at it, would you mind bringing me the latest edition of Playgirl, a cold brewsky, a foot-long and the remote....pretty please?
LouisCypher
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Originally posted by Nailpainter2003
I really like the simplicity of the expletive aproach!lol
10- \"Holy Crap!\"
9- \"Ahhhhh!\"
8- \"Oooooo!\"
7- \"Nice one!\"
6- \"Interesting, but I can\'t put my finger on the discord?!\"
5- \"Hmmmm...maybe, maybe not.(might be a little better after a pint, or two?)\"
4- \"Are you kidding me?\"
3- \"Are you completely blind?\"
2- \"God, I\'d rather be in a dentist\'s chair!\"
1-\"Oh, for f*ck\'s sake!\"
I totally agree, but my sentences are obviously in italian! If you\'re interested, i can put an italian version on votes on the forum lol
Luca
kittykat23uk
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Yep, thats a good system too!lol
Regards
Kat
Regards
Kat
LordofthePit
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11 (can\'t vote this but there are mini\'s that you think really deserve it, like the entire top 10): feeling shocked, pain in the chest... sitting still staring at the monitor for half an hour...
10: dribble, drool.. incoherent murmurings (while throwing my mini\'s in a trashcan)
9: Wow!... incredible paintjob, but.... not quite a 10 for some reason
8: wish I could paint like that
7: maybe I could paint like that if I tried real hard
6: I can paint like that.. clean paint job
5: needs some work
4: maybe using three different colors is the answer.
3: undercoated, assembled
2: unpainted, assembled
1: unpainted, unassembled
And the worst:
Skip pic: blurry photo
The hard part is the mini\'s you think are worth a 8.5 or something like that. In these cases I usually look what the average is; if it\'s lower I round up if it\'s higher I round down.
10: dribble, drool.. incoherent murmurings (while throwing my mini\'s in a trashcan)
9: Wow!... incredible paintjob, but.... not quite a 10 for some reason
8: wish I could paint like that
7: maybe I could paint like that if I tried real hard
6: I can paint like that.. clean paint job
5: needs some work
4: maybe using three different colors is the answer.
3: undercoated, assembled
2: unpainted, assembled
1: unpainted, unassembled
And the worst:
Skip pic: blurry photo
The hard part is the mini\'s you think are worth a 8.5 or something like that. In these cases I usually look what the average is; if it\'s lower I round up if it\'s higher I round down.
It\'s stupid to raise score of a mini because it\'s a woman or because you like the game it came from =)
A Dark Angel Space Marine, a man from Warhammer 40.000, could be better painted than a Sister of Battle (Woman, Mordheim).
Do you really think the gender or the original game could affect the painter\'s skill?
A Dark Angel Space Marine, a man from Warhammer 40.000, could be better painted than a Sister of Battle (Woman, Mordheim).
Do you really think the gender or the original game could affect the painter\'s skill?
Nailpainter2003
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No, one\'s choice of game, or miniature have no influence, nor are they related to one\'s ablility to paint.
How one votes is clearly a purely personal preference and a matter of opinion....theirs. Since we cannot change the thoughts or actions of others, nor should we try, gracefully accept them for what they are.
My post here was a lighthearted approach to a subject that at one time or another, has had us baffled, sad, dejected and yes, angry at times; But as I said, we can\'t change how people vote, or why...merely accept it and move on.
If everybody liked the same thing, what a colorless world we\'d live in.
P.S. BTW, welcome to the forums, TwelveMilesOut!
TwelveMilesOut
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It\'s even more stupid to respond with a derogatory comment before you understand what\'s been said. You\'re right, though: A male space marine could be painted much better than a Sister of Sigmar (SoBs are 40K figures), but it probably won\'t \"move me\" as much since I\'ve already seen about 1500 Dark Angels compared to maybe 15 Sisters of Sigmar on this site. I cut my wargaming teeth on 40K with the blue book, and the marines retain about as much wow factor for me as Howard the Duck.
Maybe I should have been more explicit in my original post, but the bonus for \"boobs\" fades if those glands are obscured by armor or clothing.
To be honest, I\'d probably give a naked Dark Angel the same bonus a naked Sigmarite would get. I would dearly love to see someone convert a black carapace.
As for your comment about painter\'s skill not being dependant on the figure, I\'ll ask you to do two quick searches. First search for your favorite Space Marine chapter and find something with over 50 votes that scores a 6.5 to 7, then do a search for Kenzer or Fairy Meat. With one outstanding exception, none of the Kenzer figures has broken 6.3 as of this post. On that exception, there are a lot of comments like \"I don\'t usually care for this line, but...\" Draw your own conclusions.
hmmm..... sorry to go on so long.... \"stupid\" angrys up the blood.
I rate minis based PURELY upon how well they are painted/converted/whatever. Personal bias and opinion should not and does not come into play when I rate minis.
I absolutely *HATE* nurgle... but I have seen many that are simply stunningly painted and/or converted, and I rate them accordingly. I don\'t let my personal dislike of Nurgle cloud the judgement of the artist\'s effort that he or she put into the figure.
Simple as that.
I absolutely *HATE* nurgle... but I have seen many that are simply stunningly painted and/or converted, and I rate them accordingly. I don\'t let my personal dislike of Nurgle cloud the judgement of the artist\'s effort that he or she put into the figure.
Simple as that.
K
klute_in_the_valute
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I tend not to vote on pieces that I know I will be biased against,or at least put my personal like/dislikes aside and judge \"per mini\".I really do think it is wrong to remove points becuase you dont like a particular range.By all means dont award extra,but dont deduct.
First, of course I wanted to say \"Sisters of Sigmar\"; not Sisters of Battle, thanks for the correction.
Next, I used \"stupid\" with a smiley, saying that of course I don\'t think the original poster is stupid, it was just something said with hum.... a smile?
And finally, of course some minis could be rated higher due to their own model complexity; For example a \"simple\" space marine is maybe easier to paint than a full converted Dreadnought
But I\'m sorry, I still think it\'s stuErrr.... *strange* to rate a model lower because you dislike the \"race\" or the game (eg: \"Heerr, another damn Space Marine, blah, I hate Space Marines; 2/10) -- I\'m not saying the author is acting like that, of course. It\'s just a general point of view.
By \"model\" / \"minis\" I wanted to talk about the brand and the race, not about the model\'s complexity.
And you can think I\'m stupid because I\'ve not well understood replies, but maybe it\'s because I\'m french and english is not my primary language ? Blah, I will never use the \'stupid\" word again, even in a joke.
Sand Rat
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Hmm, methinks it time to indulge in sadomasochistic beastial necrophilia -
Having said that -
I have a bias - it affects every mini I paint, every mini I vote on, and every mini I buy - there is no getting away from it, but as long as I vote with that bias in mind, I feel I vote the mini\'s fairly equitably. Voting on minis is a subjective matter, as is any other activity where one is apprecieating art. One brings all of ones life experience to the appricieation of art and saying that one doesn\'t will not change that fact. You vote high for minis you like and vote low for ones you dont. All factors of the mini - sculpt, paint job, and photo all will effect your score on the post.
Having ranted all that out, I dont have any hard and fast rules for voting - I just go with what feels right to me.
Having said that -
I have a bias - it affects every mini I paint, every mini I vote on, and every mini I buy - there is no getting away from it, but as long as I vote with that bias in mind, I feel I vote the mini\'s fairly equitably. Voting on minis is a subjective matter, as is any other activity where one is apprecieating art. One brings all of ones life experience to the appricieation of art and saying that one doesn\'t will not change that fact. You vote high for minis you like and vote low for ones you dont. All factors of the mini - sculpt, paint job, and photo all will effect your score on the post.
Having ranted all that out, I dont have any hard and fast rules for voting - I just go with what feels right to me.
boobies
I try not to give \"higher\" scores to female models just because they are female. But I have to admit that I tend to like female models more. If they are painted well, that is a bonus. So if I saw a Space Marine and a nude woman with a little purple dragon, both painted to approximately the same standard. I\'d probably give the chick with drake a point more, just because I\'d enjoy looking at it a tiny bit more. Now, if the Space Marine was nude with a little purple dragon I\'d probably give it a point less. Do I need to explain?
barkel
ps. to Twelvemilesout: What do you give a mini for having one boob?
I try not to give \"higher\" scores to female models just because they are female. But I have to admit that I tend to like female models more. If they are painted well, that is a bonus. So if I saw a Space Marine and a nude woman with a little purple dragon, both painted to approximately the same standard. I\'d probably give the chick with drake a point more, just because I\'d enjoy looking at it a tiny bit more. Now, if the Space Marine was nude with a little purple dragon I\'d probably give it a point less. Do I need to explain?
barkel
ps. to Twelvemilesout: What do you give a mini for having one boob?
