Basing
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AngelicOne
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Hey Hotfoot, shoot an email to support AT cmon DOT com if you're unhappy with the Goritsi base inserts and they'll take care of you.
Vaxillus
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I recently encountered the deep dish bases when I ordered some Dark Age figures and they came with no less than 3 different types of 30 MM bases:
-The old Dark Age/Warmachine bases
-A new, equally sized deep dish base
-A presumably newer, shorter lipped deep dish base
Was pretty PO'd since all my old Dark Age stuff is on the same bases used since the game's inception, but figured adding a few figures with slightly shorter lipped bases wouldn't be that big a deal, nor would the extra labor to fill them. When I saw a friend who got his pledge already post up a photo I saw that they contained the new bases and realized my fears had been validated.
First off, while these bases were shown during the campaign they were not confirmed as the final base design, and I've seen the WoK's stuff mounted on everything from these to the traditional bases and even some prototype, non-dished bases with no indentation whatsoever. Regardless of this, the bases suck, and are a money grab to try and promote bases inserts, plain and simple. They represent more work for the user and more cost in basing materials all to justify a new add on which I have no interest in purchasing. I'm not some new hobbyist either. I've been doing this over half my life, and regularly get compliments on bases I've done on gaming figures which consist of no more than clever use of flock and other bits placement and which use the standard, normal lipped bases with no modification. The only way these bases add new versatility is if you plan to use resin water effects, but 99/100 gamers won't be doing that at an army scale.
Now, am I going to get rid of all my WoK's stuff when it arrives and swear off playing the game? No. I didn't complain despite delays since this was a normal thing for kickstarters and part of backing a pre-release project and I'm not going to rage that much over something like this (Also, I love the game so far). But I need to be honest. These bases suck and are a step back. I really hope CMON avoids using them in the future ore at least stays consistent for older games like Dark Age. For now I guess I get to buy a tub of wood filler. :c
-The old Dark Age/Warmachine bases
-A new, equally sized deep dish base
-A presumably newer, shorter lipped deep dish base
Was pretty PO'd since all my old Dark Age stuff is on the same bases used since the game's inception, but figured adding a few figures with slightly shorter lipped bases wouldn't be that big a deal, nor would the extra labor to fill them. When I saw a friend who got his pledge already post up a photo I saw that they contained the new bases and realized my fears had been validated.
First off, while these bases were shown during the campaign they were not confirmed as the final base design, and I've seen the WoK's stuff mounted on everything from these to the traditional bases and even some prototype, non-dished bases with no indentation whatsoever. Regardless of this, the bases suck, and are a money grab to try and promote bases inserts, plain and simple. They represent more work for the user and more cost in basing materials all to justify a new add on which I have no interest in purchasing. I'm not some new hobbyist either. I've been doing this over half my life, and regularly get compliments on bases I've done on gaming figures which consist of no more than clever use of flock and other bits placement and which use the standard, normal lipped bases with no modification. The only way these bases add new versatility is if you plan to use resin water effects, but 99/100 gamers won't be doing that at an army scale.
Now, am I going to get rid of all my WoK's stuff when it arrives and swear off playing the game? No. I didn't complain despite delays since this was a normal thing for kickstarters and part of backing a pre-release project and I'm not going to rage that much over something like this (Also, I love the game so far). But I need to be honest. These bases suck and are a step back. I really hope CMON avoids using them in the future ore at least stays consistent for older games like Dark Age. For now I guess I get to buy a tub of wood filler. :c
Maverick_
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Im with you Vax in that I'm not using the inserts. I just prefer to do my bases old school I suppose. If CMON really wanted to, they could have included the inserts with each miniature, and the extra cost.....They didn't, which I'm fine with. I do not really believe it is a money grab, but CMON is being enterprising with the base inserts for sure. It is a good idea, and there are people who are loving the base inserts and that's fine for them.
I guess I'm not put off by the deep dish bases due to I've done many battletech minis over the years. Anyone who has done enough of these guys knows there are times the battletech bases need filling due to those bases being "deep" too.
I'm torn over the pegs on the feet versus a small pad on the feet. A pad under the feet would have been easier and quicker to mount on any type of base. But I can see the pegs are useful for mounting too and can be easily removed for those who want to do so.
The deep dish bases will let you base your miniature with out having the mini on an anthill, which to me at least, is annoying. Don't forget too that you don't have to use the base inserts provided. We all know how to fill a base with putty, glue, sand, or whatever but what's stopping you from making your own inserts. You could roll out some clay, pattern it how you want it, and cut/stamp out the correct size insert. Or put clay directly into the deep dish base, level it out and pattern it how you want to..... bricks, pavement, wood planks, whatever.
I guess I'm not put off by the deep dish bases due to I've done many battletech minis over the years. Anyone who has done enough of these guys knows there are times the battletech bases need filling due to those bases being "deep" too.
I'm torn over the pegs on the feet versus a small pad on the feet. A pad under the feet would have been easier and quicker to mount on any type of base. But I can see the pegs are useful for mounting too and can be easily removed for those who want to do so.
The deep dish bases will let you base your miniature with out having the mini on an anthill, which to me at least, is annoying. Don't forget too that you don't have to use the base inserts provided. We all know how to fill a base with putty, glue, sand, or whatever but what's stopping you from making your own inserts. You could roll out some clay, pattern it how you want it, and cut/stamp out the correct size insert. Or put clay directly into the deep dish base, level it out and pattern it how you want to..... bricks, pavement, wood planks, whatever.
I was a bit confused about how the basing would work and after reading this thread, I'm a little overwhelmed. I don't mind a little work to make things look nice. But does anyone have any starter tips / links to read on how I should be approaching this? Not sure how the whole wood filler technique would work.. you just fill the base up completely with wood filler glue?? Seems odd.
It's really that simple. Just spread it in, let it dry and then go. You can even shape it a little as it dries if you want and add things like larger rocks and small gravel. It really allows for a lot of nice work to be done with little effort. A lot of people have done the same on other base types.
For or all of you complaining that they didn't make the final bases clear, where does it say they were going to clear that with us. We are not board members in a company. I don't particularly like the bases that other companies have given me, but I've worked with them and my armies look fine. I think the argument that people who just want to play are going to have models that look silly because the bases have the lip and the mini is inside of it don't realize that most people who care are going to think the bases look silly because they are not flocked and finished. Just my $.02
I can't wait to paint the two factions I just assembled this weekend. With my schedule I should be set in a month. Wish me luck.
Vaxillus
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I think we've had all of one person make a complaint related to a slapdash method. The big issue here is additional time spent for basing along with the cost and effort of additional supplies.
I've seen the battletech bases and these are much deeper. Also, comparing an outdated base design which is arguably inferior to anything else out there when these are one of the newest base designs to be released is hardly reasonable, and if anything shows how awful and backwards these things are. I've never had the anthill problem either, a single layer of flock was always perfect to keep things level with the outer lip of the base.
In either case, It's not just an issue of filling a little extra flock. Even with a thick application of 1 or 2 layers you're still looking at something well below the level of the lip. These require some sort of filler, which is not at all user friendly. The base design was created as a trade off between convenience of the end user and a promotion of their base insert products. To me, that sacrifice is a money grab, adding a costly but easy solution to an engineered problem.
Bottom line on these things, they're going to be a pain in the butt to deal with and the only perks are compatibility with a new line of base inserts and water effects (which is entirely happenstance). I picked up this game in the first place since it seemed like a quick, streamlined project with figures that would be easy to assemble and paint since I have a huge backlog of skirmish stuff and garage kits, but these bases are going to add quite a bit of time to my production line. If given a choice I would never go near these things.
Vax, I'm not sure that using a filler is as difficult as you make it out to be. If anyone has ever spread frosting it is the equivalent. It is also cleaned up with soap and water, and a good sized tub costs $5. There is no need to go near the inserts, making the money grab claim a little weak. As for time spent, doing a simple level application takes all of ten seconds, and that's being careful. This is probably no longer than getting an insert glued in. If you multiply that across that of the minis from the AK level you have fewer than 40 minutes devoted. Given how long painting takes, that amount of time is not that much for 220 applications.
i understand wishing that the bases were different. I agree that they were probably made for the new inserts, which was short sighted at best, and I don't love them, but they are hardly a reason to ditch a game. To make it out as difficult to overcome is also a bit unfair.
At this point we have pretty much covered the reasons people hate the bases, and I have offered up simple solutions that would cost little in time or money. For anyone new to this hobby, I hope you realize that there are some simple ways to deal with these bases that are easily done with little investment and not really tricky. For those who are angry, I apologize if I offend, and I hope you enjoy the game irregardless.
i understand wishing that the bases were different. I agree that they were probably made for the new inserts, which was short sighted at best, and I don't love them, but they are hardly a reason to ditch a game. To make it out as difficult to overcome is also a bit unfair.
At this point we have pretty much covered the reasons people hate the bases, and I have offered up simple solutions that would cost little in time or money. For anyone new to this hobby, I hope you realize that there are some simple ways to deal with these bases that are easily done with little investment and not really tricky. For those who are angry, I apologize if I offend, and I hope you enjoy the game irregardless.
Are you actually keeping the pegs on when you do step 4?
invaderzak
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My problem is the stance they gave the children of wrath.... The dont fit in the bases at all...You either need to use the base inserts (didnt buy, didnt think i needed them) Or start finding ways to make them fit without the base getting silly or unwieldy
just send them back as soon as you get them, the more people that ask for a refund the bigger message they will get about how people were unsaticfied with them. If you you sell them secondary they can pretend you were happy with them because you did not return them.
Deckmaniac
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So as I have said before I'm traditionally not a hobbyist, but I've delved into YouTube and chatted with friends and have decided when I get my stuff I'm going to tackle the bases. I bought cork to make rocks along with other ideas. Question is, I want to fill the base then put the cork on it. Should I just use the wood filler that someone mentioned or order some plywood bases small enough to just insert? I'm thinking the wood inserts would be really simple and quick. What size insert would fit without a gap, 20mm or 25mm? Thanks for anyone's thoughts. I'm actually pretty excited about this. My Hadross I'm going to experiment with some water stuff. Stretching in my modeling lol.
I'm just going to fill the bases with the cork, Of course I have a hobby Lobby nearby and get it pretty cheap
Vaxillus
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That's 40 minutes I could have spent doing something else (not to mention the trip to the hardware store), and compared to the 0 minutes I'd be spending with normal bases. It might sound petty to you but with my current schedule that's basically a whole day of hobby time down the drain. There are plenty of solutions, some easy some not, but all are more difficult than the default. That equates to bad design, simple as that. I really don't think you're offending anybody, but the fact that these require any extra effort simply makes them inferior. That's been my argument all along, nothing about ditching the game over it (in fact I very specifically mentioned it wasn't). I'm voicing my concern so maybe CMON might reconsider their prolonged use.
Vax,
It would only be 0 minutes if you intended not to flock the base in the first place regardless of what type they were, and you could choose to do that here as well with little issue. I feel it is a tricky issue to resolve. If you include bases without the lip and deep bases as an alternative for people who want the inserts they would cry foul at the extra cost incurred on them as well. I was mostly trying to temper the doom speak a bit, as I noticed several people new to this form of the hobby expressing concern about how hard it would be to deal with.
As for the Wrath model stance, it is a bit wide, but both pegs fit in the base along the diameter. The feet overhang a bit, which I don't like, but they would overhang a flat base as well.
It would only be 0 minutes if you intended not to flock the base in the first place regardless of what type they were, and you could choose to do that here as well with little issue. I feel it is a tricky issue to resolve. If you include bases without the lip and deep bases as an alternative for people who want the inserts they would cry foul at the extra cost incurred on them as well. I was mostly trying to temper the doom speak a bit, as I noticed several people new to this form of the hobby expressing concern about how hard it would be to deal with.
As for the Wrath model stance, it is a bit wide, but both pegs fit in the base along the diameter. The feet overhang a bit, which I don't like, but they would overhang a flat base as well.
Not worth it. Its going to cost at least $15 bucks to mail it from Canada back to the US.
