what on earth is going on in there!!

[ArmC]

It is true what you say about the size factor, some things can be OK for the Epic scale and not so OK for the 40K scale, guess it has to do with, well, scaling up..

The true problem IMO with this model, and with the rest of its kind (such as the Maulerfiend I mentioned earlier) is the following:

It is obvious that they are directed towards a younger audience, they are big and awesome and have spikes and big guns etc etc, but it is obvious that from a modellers point of view, they need skills and equipment a teenager probably doesn't have. It is almost impossible to paint it decently without an airbrush, let alone putting it together, filling gaps with milliput and so on. I believe most of them will end up half glued and unpainted, a disappointment for a young audience which gets easily excited from a strong box cover but get more than they bargained for when they finally open the box. Coupled with the prices as they are, its the easiest way to lose consumer base. Not very well planned i guess.

 

[nels0nmac]

It used to be the case that the most expensive thing you could buy when starting with GW was the Box set... all the other add ons - troops, vehicles etc , were all cheaper. Makes you wonder who are they aiming these kits at.... kids?!? for £95?!?!. Going to have to be seriously wealthy kids (or their parents) to entertain buying one of those or the similarly expensive kits that they have released lately. So if not the kids then young adults? the ones who are finding cheaper, better games that are available elsewhere.
On the subject of expensive kits I have seen on the website that you can buy the new wraithknight for £70 or a special deal where for one click of the mouse you can buy 3 for £210. Not quite sure of the logic of that.... no incentive to buy more? Seems to be the case with most of the so called one click deals that they have been releasing lately. Not really much of a deal... the only thing you save on is a few clicks of a mouse.. woo hoo.... big fat deal.Oh yes I must click on that because it will save me all of a few seconds as I shell out X hundred pounds on their latest "deal".

 

[mud duck]

It used to be the case that the most expensive thing you could buy when starting with GW was the Box set... all the other add ons - troops, vehicles etc , were all cheaper. Makes you wonder who are they aiming these kits at.... kids?!? for £95?!?!. Going to have to be seriously wealthy kids (or their parents) to entertain buying one of those or the similarly expensive kits that they have released lately. So if not the kids then young adults? the ones who are finding cheaper, better games that are available elsewhere.

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On the subject of expensive kits I have seen on the website that you can buy the new wraithknight for £70 or a special deal where for one click of the mouse you can buy 3 for £210. Not quite sure of the logic of that.... no incentive to buy more? Seems to be the case with most of the so called one click deals that they have been releasing lately. Not really much of a deal... the only thing you save on is a few clicks of a mouse.. woo hoo.... big fat deal.Oh yes I must click on that because it will save me all of a few seconds as I shell out X hundred pounds on their latest "deal".

But, but, but. They've got printed rules in the new $75 dollar Apocalypse rulebook!


Yes, it seems that GW has forgotten the days of MK.1 Apocalypse with the 'Hey, we want you to buy a tank company, so guess what? We're cutting into the profit margins a bit too get you to buy one.' Something tells me that Apoc. has been driving sales with these big guy kits and the they're thinking that little Billy will convince Mom and Dad that they really, really need 3 of them, and Mom or Dad will not comparison shop if they see the one click option?
Also I wonder if the thinking is that the big sized kit appeal to the younger models as "easier" the assembly and paint then some of the small kits/ troops?

 

[gohkm]

When one can buy into a Kickstarter with lots of models, the GW pricing on these things is looking more than a little outrageous.

 

[me_in_japan]

I think I mentioned this a few years ago, but if GW continue with their policy of "higher prices, fewer, younger customers" they're going to end up in a situation where the only person who can keep their company afloat will be one lonely, incredibly wealthy, little boy, begging his dad to buy a life sized Titan for Christmas.

 

[AndyG]

Lol yeah but as it wil be made of failcast it will instantly fall to pieces under its own weight :smile-big:

 

[RuneBrush]

The thing that this model really lacks is any dynamism. It really needs the whole body rearranging and pistons etc modified so that it looks like it's struggling forward to hit something with it's axe. If you can envision that, it's has the potential to be a good model. That said, I am horrified by the price. In the latest White Dwarf there is a version of it painted in dark metallics and it looks far superior to the RED paint job.

For information it looks like they've repackaged the Baneblade too so that you have all 8 variants in one box - however it's gone up to £85. The Stompa is £70 which is what personally I think the Chaos Khorne Lord should be at.

 

[ozymandias]

I'm not normally into GW bashing. I'm eternally grateful that they provided the gateway into the hobby. But wow that "miniature" sucks. There has always been some pretty poor miniatures over the years (the dark elf hydra and the Nagash aka bobo the clown are good examples), but I have to wonder about these larger models. The Chaos Warrior kits in the fantasy range (the war altar and the the misshapen monstor thingy (sorry can't be bothered to look it up) also are examples of overpriced, poorly designed kits. The only positives I can take are: (a) it encourages gamers to look to other companies that produce better quality / cheaper miniatures; and (b) they've at least stopped redesigning the rank and file for a while.

 

[gohkm]

... to buy a life sized Titan for Christmas.

Er, that might actually be me, begging the wife.

 

[Avelorn]

Yeah that was pretty awful. Really liked the the Necron thingy released though so I guess it's business as usual. Hits and misses with a large price tag.

 

[Dragonsreach]

Add this to the mix...

£150. and only 300 available worldwide FFS!

 

[nels0nmac]

Add this to the mix...

£150. and only 300 available worldwide FFS!

Not quite .. there's 3,000 available. Not that it invalidates your point.

Just how wealthy do you need to be to reasonably participate in a game of 40K Apocalypse? And just who are GW actually thinking are going to be able to and want to fork out the vast sums of money (without resorting to robbing the local post office) to be able to play the game?

 

[Thebladesmith@hotmail.com]

I don't think my local post office keep that kind of cash on hand... but not a bad start... thing is I know a couple of guys in our local group will buy this or the full set or both. I wouldn't mind getting to paint one of these cases, but I cant think of a lot of better ways to blow 250 buck, maybe I'll head of over to the vallejo store again....better make it a piggly wiggly or two.

 

[mud duck]

Not quite .. there's 3,000 available. Not that it invalidates your point.

Just how wealthy do you need to be to reasonably participate in a game of 40K Apocalypse? And just who are GW actually thinking are going to be able to and want to fork out the vast sums of money (without resorting to robbing the local post office) to be able to play the game?

Isn't that the case with pluck foam, sized to fit something like 4 blaneblades or 12/ 14 normal tanks? Depending on the quality, it may not be a 'bad' deal.

 

[RuneBrush]

Isn't that the case with pluck foam, sized to fit something like 4 blaneblades or 12/ 14 normal tanks? Depending on the quality, it may not be a 'bad' deal.

Yup, it'll apparently fit 4 baneblades if you remove the turret :s I think some of the "how much?!" reaction is that Apocalypse is really designed for people who already have thousands of points worth of miniatures already and want to play huge games using all of them - just add some of the big guns in and away you go. Sadly the way it comes across is that GW are getting people to buy everything they need to play a game

 

[Dragonsreach]

Not quite .. there's 3,000 available. Not that it invalidates your point.

Bugger! A missed zero!

 

[nels0nmac]

Bugger! A missed zero!

Funny how nothing can make quite a big difference:smile-big:

 

[noneedforaname]

I just find it a little pathetic that they pulled money saving bundles off their site (vipers and war walker three packs) just so their one click bundles aren't worse value that what they where already charging.

 

[dougaderly]

It used to be the case that the most expensive thing you could buy when starting with GW was the Box set... all the other add ons - troops, vehicles etc , were all cheaper. Makes you wonder who are they aiming these kits at.... kids?!? for £95?!?!. Going to have to be seriously wealthy kids (or their parents) to entertain buying one of those or the similarly expensive kits that they have released lately. So if not the kids then young adults? the ones who are finding cheaper, better games that are available elsewhere.
On the subject of expensive kits I have seen on the website that you can buy the new wraithknight for £70 or a special deal where for one click of the mouse you can buy 3 for £210. Not quite sure of the logic of that.... no incentive to buy more? Seems to be the case with most of the so called one click deals that they have been releasing lately. Not really much of a deal... the only thing you save on is a few clicks of a mouse.. woo hoo.... big fat deal.Oh yes I must click on that because it will save me all of a few seconds as I shell out X hundred pounds on their latest "deal".

If GW is anything like the toy company I worked for, these deals are aimed at the people who grew up with their products as kids, not the kids themselves. You'd be amazed: you create a product bigger and more expensive than anything you'd produced before, and the demand is so much at the outset that next quarter you try two, then the next you try four. Pretty soon your entire catalog is top heavy, but they make up a quarter of your sales...

 

[Kalidane]

If GW is anything like the toy company I worked for, these deals are aimed at the people who grew up with their products as kids, not the kids themselves. You'd be amazed: you create a product bigger and more expensive than anything you'd produced before, and the demand is so much at the outset that next quarter you try two, then the next you try four. Pretty soon your entire catalog is top heavy, but they make up a quarter of your sales...

I think I need to reflect on that some more. It seems to put them on an interesting path. Is there anything implicitly bad in this happening?

I'm not sure I see the appeal in these products though.

Is it for people who want to play Epic in 28mm? I'm not sure any ruleset will do that successfully without a stupendous playing area.

Is it for people who want to put their entire collection on a table? That seems to come directly to the above issue.

I'm too lazy to look up the required math but I'm guessing Apoc would see me deploy 5 Space Wolf Great Companies in the area of a typical US shopping mall. Unless some silly heretics are assaulting the entrance to the Fang, that requires more suspension of disbelief than I can conceive of.