What makes a pro painter?

Einion

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Originally posted by Duende
Originally posted by Einion
Literal definition is pretty simple, somebody who does it for money.
Actually, that definition of a professional only applies to people performing a sport. Not a skill.
The most basic definition of professional is doing a task for money, any task.

If you cut grass, play video games, make coffee, boink, pump gas, paint, write or talk dirty on the phone and you get paid for it you\'re a professional (versus us amateurs who can do all of the same things - not at the same time one hopes - but don\'t get paid for it). The definition chain in any good dictionary will support this. In the OED it goes like this: profession > occupation > employment, which = payment for services.

Einion
 

veggiemanuk

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Pro painter to me means Scibor, he\'s one hell of a prolific painter with new stuff up on ebay almost every week.

There might be more like him but he\'s the only one i\'ve noticed here on Cmon with regular weekly auctions.

Are his minis Pro painted to a good standard? Hell yes, they might not win any GD\'s but they do look damn fine for what looks like weekly work.

Add ontop of this his sculpting too and it makes him look like a real professional.

This is just observation so I might be wrong on a few things here.
 

Dragonsreach

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Originally posted by Evil Dave
Originally posted by Duende
Actually, that definition of a professional only applies to people performing a sport. Not a skill.
So is the oldest profession a sport or a skill?:p
Not sure, but the second oldest profession is definately a \"Rip Off\".
 

PegaZus

Stealth Freak
Originally posted by Dragonsreach
Originally posted by Evil Dave
So is the oldest profession a sport or a skill?:p
Not sure, but the second oldest profession is definately a \"Rip Off\".

Okay, now I\'m confused. Either fits that definition. I can\'t remember if being a foul smelling whoring low life or being a prostitute is first or second.
 

Evil Dave

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Originally posted by PegaZus
Okay, now I\'m confused. Either fits that definition. I can\'t remember if being a foul smelling whoring low life or being a prostitute is first or second.

It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first.
-Ronald Reagan
 

Dragonsreach

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Originally posted by Evil Dave
Originally posted by PegaZus
Okay, now I\'m confused. Either fits that definition. I can\'t remember if being a foul smelling whoring low life or being a prostitute is first or second.

It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first.
-Ronald Reagan
I thought that quote belonged to Pliny the Elder.

Originally posted by PegaZus
Okay, now I\'m confused. Either fits that definition. I can\'t remember if being a foul smelling whoring low life or being a prostitute is first or second.
It\'s easy to spot the difference, one takes your money and gives you something.
 

Evil Dave

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Originally posted by Dragonsreach
Originally posted by Evil Dave
Originally posted by PegaZus
Okay, now I\'m confused. Either fits that definition. I can\'t remember if being a foul smelling whoring low life or being a prostitute is first or second.

It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first.
-Ronald Reagan
I thought that quote belonged to Pliny the Elder.
Could be that Reagan borrowed it, I don\'t know.

Originally posted by PegaZus
Okay, now I\'m confused. Either fits that definition. I can\'t remember if being a foul smelling whoring low life or being a prostitute is first or second.
It\'s easy to spot the difference, one takes your money and gives you something.
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Either way, though, you get screwed, and it\'s generally not worth the money you paid.
 

TheMightyThrud

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I lived a great lifestyle for 2 years painting and selling on eBay.

I put it down to a few things.

Work for GW or get yourself in a situation where you are forced to paint to a slightly better than average standard very quickly.

Go carbooting at the weekend and buy lots of OOP and paint caked models for stripping.

Repaint quickly and sell.

Never use Pro painted as a term to sell.

Do this for 18hrs a day 7days a week for three weeks a month and then take a week off to travel / relax.


I plan doing this as a stay at home dad at some point:)

Obviously not as many hours though.
 

Tyto

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I really was resisting posting on this thread, but as a person who used the \'p\' word in a recent ebay auction, I thought I\'d stick my twopenneth in.

Professional can mean a couple of things depending on context, and even in an ebay description it could be a few.

1) One who earns a living in a given or implied occupation.
2) A skilled practitioner or expert.

I don\'t claim to make my living painting miniatures (although for 4 years I worked for GW and that entailed painting for pay, and for 3 years I was a patinator of antiques, again painting for pay). Do I qualify as a professional? When do my credentials expire?
I\'d like to think I have an expertise (I\'m not claiming talent though! :D)

I actually used the word to appeal to potential buyers, a sales trick! Shocking eh!?

I fluctuate between amusement and anger at some of the comments this thread raises. Does it really matter what someone chooses to describe themselves as? A look at the paintjob tells you everything you need to know.

My question for those that don\'t like people using the term is - why? What difference does it make to you when someone who maybe can\'t paint as well as you calls themselves \'pro\'?

T
 

Duende

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Originally posted by Einion
The most basic definition of professional is doing a task for money, any task.

If you cut grass, play video games, make coffee, boink, pump gas, paint, write or talk dirty on the phone and you get paid for it you\'re a professional (versus us amateurs who can do all of the same things - not at the same time one hopes - but don\'t get paid for it). The definition chain in any good dictionary will support this. In the OED it goes like this: profession > occupation > employment, which = payment for services.

Einion

I disagree, since apparently I\'m a professional driver since a friend gave me a couple of bucks for taking them somewhere. Not.

I got my definition from Wikipedia (which we all know is the font of all knowledge :D), and it states:

(most pertinent parts copied and pasted):

\"A professional is a worker required to possess a large body of knowledge derived from extensive academic study (usually tertiary), with the training almost always formalized.

Professionals are at least to a degree self-regulating, in that they control the training and evaluation processes that admit new persons to the field, and in judging whether the work done by their members is up to standard. This differs from other kinds of work where regulation (if considered necessary) is imposed by the state, or where official quality standards are often lacking. Professions have some historical links to guilds in these regards.

Professionals usually have autonomy in the workplace—they are expected to utilize their independent judgement and professional ethics in carrying out their responsibilities. This holds true even if they are employees instead of working on their own. Typically a professional provides a service (in exchange for payment or salary), in accordance with established protocols for licensing, ethics, procedures, standards of service and training / certification.

The above definitions were echoed by economist and sociologist Max Weber, who noted that professions are defined by the power to exclude and control admission to the profession, as well as by the development of a particular vocabulary specific to the occupation, and at least somewhat incomprehensible to outsiders.

In sports, a professional is someone who participates for money. The opposite is amateur, meaning a person that does not play for money, but in an academic (e.g. college football) or other private setting. The term \"professional\" is commonly used incorrectly, as the distinction simply refers to how the athlete is funded, and not necessarily to what competitions he engages in or what results he achieves.\"
 

Evil Dave

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@Duende,
This depends on which philosophical camp you are in.
In one camp you have those that believe that the language is static and words mean what they mean at all times. These are usually Pure Language enthusiasts, and while they have a great grasp on the language they are usually poor communicators.

In the other camp are those that believe that the language and the words are mere tools to get a message across, that communication is key, that all languages are not static, but in fact change meaning and connotation over time. Even if the word is used incorrectly (take for example: Irony/Ironic) that over time it will come to be the correct word as everyone understands what you are communicating. These are usually great speakers and communicators, but poor at Pure Language structure, being that getting the point across is far more important than the sentence structure and/or proper word usage.
 

rextalon

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I think you\'re all thinking of this in the wrong way.

I\'ve been in my profession for 15 years. I am a professional soldier. Sometimes I paint miniatures.

I am a pro and a painter. I\'m a pro painter. See? Makes perfect sense. :D
 

Einion

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Originally posted by TheMightyThrud
Do this for 18hrs a day 7days a week for three weeks a month and then take a week off to travel / relax.
You can fit sleeping, eating (and preparing/ordering the food), necessary ablutions and, er, other necessary things into six hours? And keep it up for three weeks straight? How much did the pills cost and where can I get some? :D

Einion
 

Einion

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Originally posted by Duende
I disagree...
You can disagree all you want, this isn\'t a matter of opinion. It\'s not even really a matter of interpretation.

Originally posted by Duende
since apparently I\'m a professional driver since a friend gave me a couple of bucks for taking them somewhere. Not.
For that drive you were a professional by definition. But let\'s not use obtuse examples.

Originally posted by Duende
I got my definition from Wikipedia (which we all know is the font of all knowledge :D), and it states:
Did you miss that within your quote was:
\"Typically a professional provides a service (in exchange for payment or salary)...\"
;)

This is (should be) a linguistics issue, not a semantics issue.

The linguistic intents for professional are totally clear - as I said, any good dictionary will show the same kind of chain, one of the basic definitions being work for payment. Check yours; if you don\'t buy it then maybe we can define black as white and get killed on the next zebra crossing?

And seriously, it\'s not like pro = work for pay is a modern misusage! This isn\'t like vulgar, awful, factoid or intriguing ;)

Einion
 

Infidel Castro

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Pro-painted has become part of CMoN folklore. It\'s the people who then insist that their sale piece is painted to \"...a very high level\" that piss me off. I\'ve seen some laughable stuff in my time! Saying that, I never go looking to buy stuff, so I stumble upon them.
 

TheMightyThrud

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Originally posted by Einion
Originally posted by TheMightyThrud
Do this for 18hrs a day 7days a week for three weeks a month and then take a week off to travel / relax.
You can fit sleeping, eating (and preparing/ordering the food), necessary ablutions and, er, other necessary things into six hours? And keep it up for three weeks straight? How much did the pills cost and where can I get some? :D

Einion

The 18 hrs probably broke down into 8hrs painting and the other 10 hrs were eating, answering emails, packing things, sending things and watching cartoons.
I tell ya that week off at the end of the month was always needed.

It\'s not an ideal situation but it was the only way the rent got paid. I also think I was really lucky at the time. It was before eBay was totally flooded with stuff.
 

demonherald

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I do it full time... I\'m a stay at home dad with a mighty handfull of a nipper.... I paint for private commission ebay and some companies contract work....

It is my only source of income.. I am registered as a buisness in the UK .. Tax returns and everything ... so I guess I can be labelled a pro painter... I used to list as pro painted all the time but now just make sure I have painted and warhammer in the title... even \"(shock)\" if it isn\'t a warhammer mini.. it\'s the nature of the beast that warhammer generates the most search hits... I generally put excellent painted.. not because I think I\'m great but simply because that\'s what my customers have become used to finding my models under.. I sometimes vary it and list as pro painted or great painted or any number of variants but always find that excellent painted generates the highest number of hits and higher prices...

if ever you fancy being nosy my ebay ID is demonslairpaintedminis
there are new daemons vaps and a few conversions going on this weekend (shameless plug)
 

Einion

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Originally posted by demonherald
It is my only source of income.. I am registered as a buisness in the UK .. Tax returns and everything ... so I guess I can be labelled a pro painter...
I think it\'s fair to say that you\'d be classed as a pro no matter how the word was defined! :)

Einion
 
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