What are the expunged chapters

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HighLordUlrik

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What are the expunged chapters? I think one of them is Soul Drinkers. Cause I read the book and they commited some terrible things. One of them got his hands choped off replaced them with fan blades. Another one tore off his black carpace.
 
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Godlikebuthumble

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Do you want speculation on the two Chapters/Legions stricken from the list of the first founding? Or just Chapters generally kicked out, declared heretics, and what not, \'cause that would be a lot. Many of the so-called cursed founding, and several in-between. Maybe Wiki is your friend.
And given the daily life and M.O. of your regular Space Marine, \"something terrible\" for those guys better be outrageous...
Hope that helps.
 
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Roger Bunting

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If it\'s the two that have their records expunged then nobody knows. Definately not the soul drinkers. Undave will tell you the bit in the Horus Heresy books about Horus having a vison or some such and being in the lab where the 20 primarchs were growing and some pulava ended up with one of the chambers getting destroyed, so that could mean that those two legions never actually came to fruition. Of course, that\'s just speculation.
 
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Bengoodall

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Or useless without the primarch, so maybe those marines who had already been created were just mixed into other legions?

Because the legions were created and fighting before the primarchs were found, so maybe there were marines fighting, and reorganised with others.

There was a mix of races in the original legions, some quite pronounced.
 
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Alaric the Mad

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The two missing groups were left that way so your chapter could be one of them :)


Speculation tho has Sigmar from WHFB being one of the missing Primarchs.


After the 2nd founding, you find that ever so often a whole chapter will go rogue (sometimes to Chaos). They are normally wiped out rather quickly by the loyalist chapters.
The marines of the cursed founding were victims of genetic \'improvements\" by the A Mech which saw many warped or broken or traitorous.
 
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Alaric the Mad

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Sure. Now look again and see just how well he fits the build. Its a natural conclusion for some.

While its obvious they were left so we could fill in the info, I will give them the credit of finding a \"likely\" individual-even if it isnt canon or needed in any way.
 
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Gearhead

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Yeah, the Sigmar=Primarch theory fits remarkably well, but I figure that WFB and 40K are just variations on a theme. They\'ve got lots in common for obvious reasons, but if their creators say they\'re completely separate and unconnected (eg, Sigmar =/= Primarch) then there\'s no reason not to take their word for it.
 
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Godlikebuthumble

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Yep, and while some GW off\'s say \"No way\", some of them sometimes whisper \"maybe\". Basically, why write anything in stone, if it keeps us busy speculating?
 
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OrkyDave

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In the olden days of the late 80\'s early 90\'s I seem to recall a fair few Warhammer fantasy chaos armies in my local store being allowed to field Chaos Space marines and this being completley legal in gaming terms. The reasoning being that the marines could travel to the fantasy universe via the warp.

If this could happen then I see no reason why Sigmar could not be a primarch.
 
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Undave

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I think a far more pertinent question would be whether a vat-grown Primarch would have a belly button?

All the artwork of Siggy clearly shows him having a belly button, ergo he aint a Primarch :p
 
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Gilvan Blight

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In the original first printings the Warhammer world was part of the Warhammer 40K universe. The Slaan were a spacefaring race that opened the original portals to the Warp and let chaos loose, not just on the warhammer world.

The rules were compatable as well back then and sourcebooks like Realm Of Chaos and Warhammer Siege were for both systems.

As for Sigmar = Primach, the whole twin tailed commet = thrusters on a ship makes a lot more sense then a messed up commet with two tails, but this is actually the fist I have heard of the theory.
 
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Undave

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The Realm of Chaos books do have rules for both systems but that is mainly because the ranges at the time were so small. Both books also contain rules for use in WFRP but neither mention anything about WFB and 40k being set in the same universe. It does tell you exactly who the Emperor is though.
 
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Trevor

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Except for the fact that some of the WFB mutations involved giving 40k weaponry. I seem to remember a friends WFB chaos army with dragon ogres with multilasers...

where\'s the *shudder* smiley...
 
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hamhamlunchbox

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yes,Realm of Chaos - Slaves to Darkness connected the whfb and the 40k universe in 1988.smthg like the whfb world is somewhere in a warp-storm.
i think they created the expunged chapters for the fans.so we have something to talk about and to be able to create new chapters.

and sigmar was born.by humans.

in the first edition rulebook there was something about the crimson fists,fighting during the heresy.but they changed that anyhow
lol
 
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Undave

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I\'m reasonably sure Slaves to Darkness makes no mention of the Warhammer World being trappped in a warp storm but if you can give me a page reference I\'ll check it out. I skimmed through it last night but I couldn\'t spot anything.

I always got the impression that the whole tech-weapon mutation was more of an extra-dimensional thing rather than them coming from another world.

There are several new novels concerning Sigmar on the way so I wonder whether they\'ll keep the vagueness of his origins in there or explain the mystery.
 
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Alaric the Mad

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Even in new publications, taken from a Warhammer world seer in Liber Chaotica speak of a war across the stars where orders vanguards and champions fought against their brothers-and that those dark survivors remain as great champions of the chaos powers. It even shows a few Chaos marines and speaks about Horus and Abbadon.

So references exist in both old and new GW texts. While its in no way confirmed that WF takes place in W40k, it certainly isnt easily dismissable. It fits for me-and like the idea Sigmar is a primarch, works but really doesnt matter to me either way since there is no way to nail GW down to any fact.
 
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Godlikebuthumble

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Also, the loot from the 2001 Albion campaign. Rules and descriptions give us basically a Power Fist, Power Claw, Servo Armour, Flamer, Auspex, SW Frost Blade, old Chaos Staff of Sorcery... I\'m off to see if anyone has built a High Elf wearing \"Armour of the Gods\" :D
 
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