Valten to Bretonnian Conversion WIP (formerly \"Looking for Input\")

Thomgirl

New member
Hey all! This is my first conversion, but I\'ve been sculpting for years with modeling clay. Must say, greenstuff has been... interesting. I\'m \"beefing-up\" the valten horse model for my Bretonnian Lord and have so far converted the head and front legs. I\'m planning to work on the rear legs and clean up a few of the details next. Let me know what\'s working, what could work better, and what doesn\'t work at all. I think the mane needs some more work for sure.

Thanks ahead of time!


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Thomgirl

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Okay, so I\'ve been pushing on with my conversion. Based on what I\'ve seen others doing, I\'m really liking the 3:1 yellow to blue with the greenstuff for a lot of the newer stuff (the rear legs and the bear head cape). Still have a lot more to go. The front legs are next and though I\'m happy so far with the bear head cape, it too needs some more work. I\'d be happy with any suggestions as to how it could be further developed. I also reworked the head some more after seeing it posted up in the pictures. I realized that the neck was anatomically incorrect, coming up too high where it\'s supposed to meet the top of the head. The next thing I need to work with that is smoothing the transition from the head to the neck and the mane. I\'m going to go with a viking type mane like this :

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So without further jibber-jabber, here\'s an update on the progress:

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Thomgirl

New member
So, despite the fact that I seem to be inputing to myself, I have new updates on my Empire to Bretonnian conversion. I feel that I\'m making huge strides in sculpting the greenstuff. It\'s now become rather enjoyable :) I\'ve learned a great deal with this project and had I known this would be such an involved project, I probably would have not have chosen it for my first attempt at conversion. Be that as it may, I\'m glad I did start with a grand idea as opposed to something basic. I really love how it\'s coming along and look forward to painting it and putting it in it\'s rightful place as Lord of my army. So enough jibba jabba, here\'s what I\'ve been doing lately:

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Decided to give you all a more \"overall\" look at the model. I\'ve re-done the bear cloak as you can see. It still needs some work on the mouth, but I\'ve found it\'s better for me to work on a few areas of detail at a time so I don\'t accidentally mess something else up that hasn\'t set up yet. I\'ll get some teeth and tongue action in there tomorrow I hope. Also had to go back and redo the cape/paw section as well. It just didn\'t feel anatomically correct, so with some help from google images, I think it now better represents an actual bearskin cloak with a little bit of artistic exageration
:D .

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So here\'s the other side. The tail needs some more work down at the bottom, but it\'s coming along. I\'m having way too much fun with hair on this project. Also, I guess ya\'ll noticed I\'ve made some additions to the horse\'s head as well. He now has his new and improved viking-style mane
(very butch, don\'t you think?), a fleur de lys icon on his forehead, flowing ribbon on one side, and on this side the two leather straps with medallions. Still a few more things to clean up about the head, but it\'s near completion.

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Just another view. I\'m sorry for the not so great lighting in these pictures. I\'ll get it figured out.

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And a parting shot of a close up of the bear head shoulder guard. I\'m really glad I\'ve gotten over my fear of destroying something I\'ve worked hard on and redoing it to what I actually want. The passive looking bear head just didn\'t seem imposing enough. I drilled and cut off a lot of the mouth area to open it up enough to make him look like he was taxidermed with a roar. If I had killed a bear, I sure would want to show off how fierice that bear was, not how cute he was. Anywho, thanks to those of you who have perused this. I\'d like to give a big thanks to my husband who has been my critic every step of the way and to all the other posters who are showing their conversion wips. It\'s helped tremendously. Again, I welcome more critique because I\'m still at a stage where it\'s ok to tear it down and try again. I\'m looking forward to painting this bad boy though :bouncy:
 
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sg2009

Guest
i think the horses neck could be a little smoother

i find and i have tried this rubbing greenstuff with fine grade wire wool gets is very smooth


nice conversion :beer:

i like the lion draped over his neck
 

mickc22

Granddad!
looking pretty good so far
like the re-done Bear head, much better
keep at it

oh and welcome to the forums btw:D
 

Undave

Flockwit
When I first saw it it looked a bit OTT but after seeing the whole thing it puts me in mind of a stylised classical type horse statue.

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I couldn\'t find a picture of the exact one it reminds me of but I\'m sure it\'s quite a famous one.
 

mickc22

Granddad!
here\'s a tip...

...don\'t put WIP pics in your gallery, you\'ll just get crap scores, no matter how good they are

keep your gallery for completed projects, you\'ll get far better scores that way

You\'ll get more constructive and honest critique posting here anyway :D


cheers
mick
 

Amazon warrior

New member
Cool idea, and very brave for a first conversion! It\'s looking good so far. If I had to nit-pick, it would be about something I\'m not sure you could do anything about - the horse\'s hindquarters now look rather weedy in comparison with his beefed up new neck and legs. Unfortunately, I have no idea how you\'d go about fixing it. :~( The bear is lovely tho - I really like that last shot of him. :)

And yep, welcome to the madhouse! :innocent:
 

Thomgirl

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Mick- thanks for the advice. I guess you noticed I was a noob and posted mine up *palm face*. No more are going up till I\'m done. Guess I learn the heard way :(

Amazon- I\'ve been bothered by that same thing... and I might have a way to fix it... I\'ll give it a go, post it and see what you guys think. Thanks for all the help! You guys rock


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Thomgirl

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I\'m about ready to call the sculpting/conversion about done. Here are probably the second to last photos I\'ll post of the building stage. Next will be preparing it for primer! I have discovered the joys of vaseline for use with my tools while working with the GS and if any of you reading this are wondering if it makes a difference to that of water and the answer is a resounding \"YES\". I will never use water ever again to work with GS. As you all can see, I put fabric over the haunches for two reasons: 1) I wanted a surface for some heraldry work... wouldn\'t feel Bretonnian without it :) and 2) to give some more weight to the rear-end to fix the \"weediness\" in comparison to the rest of horse conversion work. If anyone notices anything that just doesn\'t seem right, please feel free to post it! I\'d also like any suggestions at this point for how to prepare it for primer. Thanks in advance!


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NGArtStudios

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This is looking great. I am looking forward to see it painted.

As far as preparing it for primer only thing I would suggest is give it a decent wash with some soap and water to get any oil off and then mount it on a base.
 

Thomgirl

New member
Ok, so in having so much fun with the model, I have been dreading the base. Fortunately, folks around here have been very helpful with giving me basing suggestions and ideas. I have a ton of sculpy laying around with nothing to do, so I thought I\'d put it to good use. I\'ve designed the \"rock\" he will stand upon. Not too sure of positioning though... let me know what you guys think. I\'m going to add something... probably some lush field grass in the front, maybe some sort of sapling tree with a spirit in it... I want it to have some relation to Quenelles and to allude to the fact that this knight is protecting the border of said place and Athel Loren. Anywho... I\'m still open for ideas :)


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Cheers all!
 

Cleezy

New member
Only just seen this but it is looking really cool.

Gona look really sweet when painted up, like the morning star idea
 

Helgar

New member
Wow this sculplt has came a long way from when you first started it. Seeing it on the rock base now really gives a sense of terror being put into all who oppose him. I\'m really digging that bear claw. Everytime I look at it all I could think of is the damage that it could do if he hit you upside the helmet lol

Can\'t wait to see some paint on this :)
 

nadine

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I\'m sorry, I just clicked on this thread so I\'m late to the party!

You\'ve done some really fine work, but I\'m sorry to say that the horse\'s hindquarters are still out of proportion. When you beef up the neck, you have to picture where it meets the body-there\'s no room right now for the animal\'s neck/withers. If you removed the rider, pinned him a few mm off the horse\'s body, you\'d be able to make the top line of the animal more correct... which would have the added effect of beefing up the hindquarters more accurately.

I wouldn\'t change it now, but keep in mind if you do another thing like this again that you cannot change the proportions of one part without adjusting everything else.

The actual sculpting work itself looks excellent, and I really like the Icelandic Pony style mane.
 

Thomgirl

New member
@nadine: yeah, ideally, that would be the best... unfortunately I couldn\'t have done that without completely filing the rider\'s lower half off from the mount since with this particular model, the rider\'s lower body was part of the horse mold :/ I\'m hoping with a fancy enough paint job and the fact that GW isn\'t exactly known for their anatomically correct horses I can get away with it this time :p Next time I\'m probably going to something like this from scratch. Thanks for the critique though! It helps tremendously for the learning process.
 
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