Unpainted submissions.

[Panza]

I don\'t mean to be picky but...

...I know that there are a lot of painters out there who like to put \'in progress\' shots of their minis up before they\'re painted...

...and I know that there are people, like Prophet, who sell their conversions unpainted...

...and I know it\'s usefull to see unpainted conversions to see how the work was done, and the extent of the conversion itself...

...but I must admit that I\'ve rarely given an unpainted mini a mark higher that 3, and that was for some pretty awesome work!

We\'re meant to be painting judges, right? It says at the top of the page \'Pretend you\'re a Golden Demon judge. Painting skill, imagination and style are key!\'. If you were a GD judge and saw an unpainted, but excellent conversion, would you even consider it?

Don\'t get me wrong, I do like to see conversions and see what lengths people go to to make their minis unique, I\'d just prefer not to give it any marks untill I see it painted.

How about the rest of you?:flip:

 

[The_Mutato]

Well, no offence, but I don\'t think you would be allowed to enter a non-GW mini into the Golden Demon competition, either. That doesn\'t stop me giving more than 3 for non-GW minis. I think conversions are cool, even if they\'re unpainted.

 

[Corvus]

When a mini is posted to show the conversion work, or a sculpt (green), I rate that work as I would rate a the paintjob of a mini, simply because this is another domain of miniatures, like painting and dioramas are another.

But yes, I also have difficulties with work in progress uploads...

 

[Flashman14]

Those instructions have been there since the beginning and I think they are there to give the newcomer a roadmap about how to judge the mini in question.

BUT that doesn\'t mean only potential GD entries are allowed or that those directions are strict and literal.

The way I see it, any artisitic effort applied to any miniature (yes even 54 mm) should be looked at and judged.

Sculpting, converting, painting - all are what I consider \"artisitic effort\".

Though it hasn\'t happened yet, I think even action figures that are sufficiently converted or painted would even be ok and should be considered seriously.

But you\'re right - I feel funny about looking at minis in progress - especially when folks are so sensitive to scoring.

 

[vincegamer]

greens that are in the category \"greens\" I rate on the 1-10 scale.
If they are in some other category they probably only get in the 1-5 range.
Conversions are more difficult since there is no conversion or wip category.
I won\'t give it a 9 or 10 and probably haven\'t given an 8 but I think an 8 would be possible. I just think it\'s not a complete mini but it may still be cool.

 

[dauber22]

I try to judge the work in the context of what\'s presented, even if doesn\'t even have a specific category. If its a sculpt, I judge it as a sculp. If it\'s a conversion, I judge it as a conversion. Dioramas, terrain, vehicles and units (squads) also gets judged differently than single figures.
I do agree though that a straight, unpainted conversion is not likely to get much higher than an 8 from me.

 

[frenchkid]

Originally posted by Panza

...I know that there are a lot of painters out there who like to put \'in progress\' shots of their minis up before they\'re painted...

...and I know that there are people, like Prophet, who sell their conversions unpainted...

...and I know it\'s usefull to see unpainted conversions to see how the work was done, and the extent of the conversion itself...

So where is the problem ?
I think that if sombody puts up a unpainted conversion then we should simply rate it has an unpainted conversion. I really don\'t think this site is about mini painting only, just look at the forum and you\'ll get confirmation, It\'s about a hobby we all like and share. So I think that hobby should be represented in all its forms, conversions included. And I can completely understand people who post conversion to see what overs think befor they paint it.

 

[CC]

Unpainted submissions

If an unpainted, but finished, sculpted or converted miniature is submitted, it should be judged in that context.

Would it be better if work in progress shots showed the progression of the sculpting/converting/painting, via a sequence of images from start to end. It could then be judged on the final result, plus you can see how it was done.

???

 

[supervike]

well said!

Well said, Frenchkid!!

People using the site as a benchmark to see how to proceed on an unfinished mini SHOULD be encouraged to post it for constructive feedback. Of course, that poster should mention such in the description , just to make it easier for voters.

The ongoing learning is what keeps me coming back.

 

[atacam]

Sorry panza but I totally disagree. Not meaning to be funny but it\'s people voting like you on unpainted stuff that stops some awsome greens/conversions having high scores. I have come across quite a few and thought how can that score so low? Now I know. Thank you for a least quenching a burning question i had. Now the whinge is over my reason for posting WIP. I do this to get others opinions take for example picture of a Space Marine 1 If you notice a couple of members have taken the time to contribute a comment. I had taken these on board and together with a few of my own ideas that I noticed from the pics i made changes see here Space Marine 2. In this one I credited the relevant members for their ideas and made some changes. Yet again a member makes a suggestion and I have changed it as they were right. The next time I post this marine it will be the finished article, but I would have never got it to where it is without the WIP posts and the suggestions. Hope this proves a case for unpainted mini without being to arsey.

Regards
atacam

 

[Errex]

On a side note, a painted/primed conversion is easier to rate than the barenaked greens. I just switch from paint to sculpt mode whenever I see conversions popping up on the screen.

 

[Corvus]

Originally posted by Errex
On a side note, a painted/primed conversion is easier to rate than the barenaked greens.

Personally I rather like a conversion model that is not primed... it allows you to see which parts are plastic, metal or sculpted.... This is very interesting if minis are used of companies you don\'t know.

 

[Shroud]

I score unpainted mini\'s as conversion scores, and painted mini\'s as painted mini scores.

So I give an awesome conversion a 9 for conversion work


and an awesome painted mini a 9 for painting work

I dont score figs low for being a conversion entry.

 

[Corvus]

something silly

I happen to remember the first time I rated a conversion . At the time I didn\'t realize it wat it was, and how difficult it was to do, so I gave it a 1 or 2 and added a comment like: \"Please post your minis when they are finished.\" lol lol lol

Fortunately I know better now and also rate conversions on their conversion quality only.

 

[freakinacage]

i agree with frenchkid - it all depend on the context. however, i do tend not to vote on coversions and greens as i feel it\'s probably more helpful to leave feedback

 

[wyrmling_x]

www.COOLMINIornot.com

As I think about it, the site is based upon \"cool minis\" and not upon \"cool paintjobs\" otherwise they\'d just call it www.coolpaintjobornot.com.

I rate things on how they look. If the focus is on painting, then I rate the painting. If the focus is primarily on conversion, with no painting, then I rate the conversion (personally I love seeing greenstuff everywhere!).

It\'s just not fair to the sculptors behind many amazing works when people rate stuff low simply because they\'re not painted. It\'s kind of like a car competition - some are rated for speed, others for looks, etc. A bit of a stretch, but it works...

 

[Panza]

Wow, actual feedback, actually happening.

Thanks for all the comments, and I can understand a lot of your views, but for me an unfinished mini is an unfinished mini. When the last bit of metal, plastic or greenstuff is covered with paint, that\'s when the mini starts to come to life. That\'s the point when things get cool.....or not. I suppose it comes down to a battle between skill, and artistry.

Sculpting is skill, Painting is art. My opinion. Discuss.

But that\'s me, and everybody\'s different, and that\'s the way of the world. I\'ll keep on scoring with my gut (hard to type with a gut) and i\'m sure any low scores I give will be absorbed by the high marks of others.

SeeYa.

 

[Flashman14]

Duck Panza!! You\'re gonna get hit by the \"Sculpting is skill\" (implying not art) line . . . lol

(Michaelangelo, Donatello, DaVinci, Bernini - or is that the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles??)

 

[Panza]

Maybe I should quantify that last statement.

Painting? Takes art and skill.

Conversions? Takes skill.

Scratchbuilding (including the work of Michaelangelo, Donatello, DaVinci, Bernini and their ilk)? Takes art and skill.

Adding as many skulls as possible to the base of your favourite chaos lord without actually obscuring the model from view? Takes a wee bit of insanity and a lot of glue!

Again, just my opinion.

 

[vincegamer]

@atacam
your example is precisely what I don\'t like seeing here. I\'m okay with someone posting a sculpt or conversion if to them it is final, and then wanting to see how it\'s rated. I\'m also okay with posting of WIPs to get feedback as you did. However, I would much prefer it if you would then take down the WIP once you have posted the final version (or in this case the next incarnation).
If it\'s not a final piece I\'m not going to give its final score. If you get a 10 for a sculpt that means you can only make it worse by painting it.
Of course this is all just one geek\'s opinion.

@Flashman
funny that you mention DaVinci in that list since I\'m pretty sure he said sculpting was not an art.