The Matrix Revoloutions
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Actually the first movie wasn\'t a budget film, it was a low budget film since nobody was sure wether it would work or not, so the watchowski had to do with a small budget.
Actually you\'re not even supose to say brothers anymore
If you look at matrix revolution posters you\'ll see that they droped the brother part since one of them isn\'t quit a brother anymore 
tooshy
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Chocolates are not the only sweets.....
Hmmm.....I get called Monica at work, but that\'s because I take after Monica in Friends with her perfectionist traits. As for Monica Belucci not being such an exciting prospect for me, as a woman I can still appreciate another beautiful woman and no, there wouldn\'t be a bowl of melted chocolate in sight
I\'m going to see Kill Bill tomorrow and the jury is still out re the Matrix. Perhaps I\'ll just go to complete the set
Originally posted by Tuubje
Well you should still go whatever we say about it, you have to decide for yourself if you like it or not. Alas, Monica Belucci will not be as spectacular for you as she was for me :innocent:, unless you\'re chocolate Tooshy
Hmmm.....I get called Monica at work, but that\'s because I take after Monica in Friends with her perfectionist traits. As for Monica Belucci not being such an exciting prospect for me, as a woman I can still appreciate another beautiful woman and no, there wouldn\'t be a bowl of melted chocolate in sight
I\'m going to see Kill Bill tomorrow and the jury is still out re the Matrix. Perhaps I\'ll just go to complete the set
I think it would have been hard for anyone to write a good sequel (or two) for the Matrix. It was so innovative and awesome that anything else would probably seem a disappointment. The first movie has a certain feel that the final two either lacked or got rid of...it\'s hard to explain.
That said, I think that Revolutions was a good end to the trilogy, and was a better movie than Reloaded, in my opinion. I just wish they\'d done something different with the final scenes in Zion...something other than that stupid boy...
The APU\'s were great, a nice change of pace from the hand to hand combat. The fight between Neo and Smith reminded me of Dragon Ball Z (namely Super Saiyan Goku and Vegita pounding the crap out of eachother), without the fireballs and \"powering up\"...but maybe it\'s just me. Oh, and that scene where Niobe flips the Hammer into that tunnel...*drool*
That said, I think that Revolutions was a good end to the trilogy, and was a better movie than Reloaded, in my opinion. I just wish they\'d done something different with the final scenes in Zion...something other than that stupid boy...
The APU\'s were great, a nice change of pace from the hand to hand combat. The fight between Neo and Smith reminded me of Dragon Ball Z (namely Super Saiyan Goku and Vegita pounding the crap out of eachother), without the fireballs and \"powering up\"...but maybe it\'s just me. Oh, and that scene where Niobe flips the Hammer into that tunnel...*drool*
No Such Agency
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That\'s okay stivo, the Matrix hates you too. Ever wonder why you never win the lottery? Have you noticed that red lights seem to precede you along every street? Perhaps your basement leaks... when it\'s not raining?
If you want to see the best visuals you are ever going to see in a cinema in the next 2-3 years, go see Matrix3. If you want a good,concrete,worthwhile ending to a trilogy I wouldn\'t recomment Matrix3 at all. Too anticlimactic for my taste. The Wachowski\'s set this huge snowball tumbling down a mountain, you expect this spectacular event when the snowball hits the bottom..and you don\'t get it.
I\'m not a fan of many of the two sequel\'s visuals... way too much reliance on CGI... So many digital backdrops and digital characters and digital fights... part of the reality of unreality was lost on me... It felt like I was watching a video game and that made it hard for me to accept the gravity and seriousness of the situation at times, especially the action.
As for the story... I just miss the focus on saving the souls within the matrix that the first movie left me with (whether that was a ever a true focus or not)... Things shifted to Zion and I rather liked it better when that place was a nebulous, secretive sanctuary that these braze Matrix soldiers spent their whole lives away from fighting to save the people still plugged in; a world we only got snippets of information about, but never saw... The notion of \"Well we got THE ONE so who cares about everyone else in the simulation, lets go chat with some rogue programs...\" was not emotionally compelling for me, and what took its place, the desperate fight for Zion, fell flat as a replacement...
I felt the acting was generally robotic and uninspiringly automatic, which some seemed to like, and the moments that were supposed to be important, touching and/or mushy, while they did reach some viewers, didn\'t seem to affect the characters involved significantly enough, or were too drawn out and heavy handed, for me to really walk away caring.
I didn\'t need worlds to collide or the ground to split asunder at the sight of this flick... but I did expect it to be well crafted and emotionally compelling, no matter which story path they took...
I did not feel that was the case. Maybe I\'m just made of stone...
--number9
As for the story... I just miss the focus on saving the souls within the matrix that the first movie left me with (whether that was a ever a true focus or not)... Things shifted to Zion and I rather liked it better when that place was a nebulous, secretive sanctuary that these braze Matrix soldiers spent their whole lives away from fighting to save the people still plugged in; a world we only got snippets of information about, but never saw... The notion of \"Well we got THE ONE so who cares about everyone else in the simulation, lets go chat with some rogue programs...\" was not emotionally compelling for me, and what took its place, the desperate fight for Zion, fell flat as a replacement...
I felt the acting was generally robotic and uninspiringly automatic, which some seemed to like, and the moments that were supposed to be important, touching and/or mushy, while they did reach some viewers, didn\'t seem to affect the characters involved significantly enough, or were too drawn out and heavy handed, for me to really walk away caring.
I didn\'t need worlds to collide or the ground to split asunder at the sight of this flick... but I did expect it to be well crafted and emotionally compelling, no matter which story path they took...
I did not feel that was the case. Maybe I\'m just made of stone...
--number9
vincegamer
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What are men\'s magazines full of? Pictures of beautiful women!Originally posted by tooshy
As for Monica Belucci not being such an exciting prospect for me, as a woman I can still appreciate another beautiful woman and no, there wouldn\'t be a bowl of melted chocolate in sight
What are women\'s magazines full of? Pictures of beautiful women!
They can\'t all be chocolate.
(that\'s going to be my new term: men are blue, women are chocolate)
Tooshy: go see it only if you think you don\'t have a better way to spend your time and money. Personally, I\'ll wait for the DVD.
farseerlum
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on a completely different topic. (girls)
is there a model of the nebena????er to be bought anywhere??
any info would be appreciated.
(i hope those ERTL $%^%s don\'t get to do it)
is there a model of the nebena????er to be bought anywhere??
any info would be appreciated.
(i hope those ERTL $%^%s don\'t get to do it)
farseerlum
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yeah the ship neba. nede.. nebo. nebermind.
i found a cool virtul model but its\' not the same.
actually the hammer or logos would do just as well
i found a cool virtul model but its\' not the same.
actually the hammer or logos would do just as well
I can\'t believe this hasn\'t been brought up yet.
*Note* The opinions expressed below are mine and mine alone. I do not have a degree in making movies or anything, nor do I pretend to. The views of PVPOnline are their views only, and the link to the news article is simply an informative piece and not meant to cause any kind of flame war or argument of any kind. So, please, read if you dare.
stivo, you\'re not alone. Trust me.
The reason there was little continuity in the sequels was the first movie was actually based on a book called The Third Eye by Sophia Stewart. A news article about the lawsuit can be found HERE.
PVPOnline has a wonderful review of the second movie that I have to agree wholeheartedly with on many points.
To me the Matrix was nothing special or spectacular. It was The Terminator for the new generation. A rehashed plot poorly done with horrid continuity problems. For anyone who has played Shadowrun or Cyberpunk for any length of time, this movie is nothing new. We did all of this back in the late 80\'s. Angsty, good-looking computer nerds dressed in black, with black trenchcoats and black sunglasses (which is as black as their soul by the way) who can jack in and play around and make the computer world their own. Shoot, even Remo Williams had the bullet dodging martial artist dude already! Again, nothing special there.
All the Matrix and it\'s sequels had was special effects (sorry, even the albino Jamaicans were old hat to me.. I\'ve seen albino elf otaku running all over the Shadowrun world) and even those were bland and overused.
So I\'m one of the ones the Matrix left cold. I wasn\'t impressed, nor were many people. We\'ve seen it all before.
*Note* The opinions expressed below are mine and mine alone. I do not have a degree in making movies or anything, nor do I pretend to. The views of PVPOnline are their views only, and the link to the news article is simply an informative piece and not meant to cause any kind of flame war or argument of any kind. So, please, read if you dare.
stivo, you\'re not alone. Trust me.
The reason there was little continuity in the sequels was the first movie was actually based on a book called The Third Eye by Sophia Stewart. A news article about the lawsuit can be found HERE.
PVPOnline has a wonderful review of the second movie that I have to agree wholeheartedly with on many points.
To me the Matrix was nothing special or spectacular. It was The Terminator for the new generation. A rehashed plot poorly done with horrid continuity problems. For anyone who has played Shadowrun or Cyberpunk for any length of time, this movie is nothing new. We did all of this back in the late 80\'s. Angsty, good-looking computer nerds dressed in black, with black trenchcoats and black sunglasses (which is as black as their soul by the way) who can jack in and play around and make the computer world their own. Shoot, even Remo Williams had the bullet dodging martial artist dude already! Again, nothing special there.
All the Matrix and it\'s sequels had was special effects (sorry, even the albino Jamaicans were old hat to me.. I\'ve seen albino elf otaku running all over the Shadowrun world) and even those were bland and overused.
So I\'m one of the ones the Matrix left cold. I wasn\'t impressed, nor were many people. We\'ve seen it all before.
Here\'s what I make of it...
Neo Muad\'Dib awakens in a train station and Apu, the Kwik-E Mart counter guy, tells him they\'re in Limbo or something. Apu\'s wife is really hot, but his daughter is plain annoying. Then the Train Man comes and kicks the crap out of Neo. Morpheus Ben Kenobi, Trinity, and Seraph meet the Oreo Cookie, who apparently has undergone some sort of cosmetic surgery that went really bad, yet no one seems to care. She goes on and on about beginnings and endings. I didn\'t get any of it, so it must be the \"philosophical\" aspect of the movie. She then tells them that to save young Paul Atreides, they must go and talk to the Malnutritioned, the infamous French orgasm cake baker. Half of the audience is really excited, \'cause Frenchy is married to that hot Italian chick with the great ass.
Ben, Chewie and Lando go to an S&M dance club where Frenchy is. People stand on the ceiling and Morpheus must have farted , \'cause everybody was wearing WWI gas masks. They all shoot, and Ben Morpheus gets to use 2 MP5Ks. The hot Italian chick is REALLY hot, Tinititiniity gets pissed everybody looks at Persephone and not her. The audience starts chanting \"mud pit fight, mud pit fight\", but instead she threatens to kill Frenchy the Frog. Then they take Neo back, jack out and find that other hot chick, Niobe, but you have to play the video game to find out what that was all about. Trinity (henceforth known as Skinny Bitch) is really jealous of her too, I can tell.
Then they part ways, \'cause Neo finds out he is not only the Kwisatz Haderach, Superman, Bruce Lee and Jesus Christ, but also Daredevil. The other fella does a pretty good Hugo Weaving impersonation, though. The Skinny Bitch croaks, and it\'s sad. The lesson, as usual, is never let a woman drive, even when you go blind. Neo somehow manages to be the least organic-looking thing in the entire Machine City, which is no small feat even for Keanu. Whoah. Or maybe he was wondering when will he make another movie where he gets to bang Charlize Theron. The machines attack Zion and people shoot a lot. Oddly enough, the machines have mastered antigrav systems, yet they lack any form of offensive weapon other than \"I shall bump against you at great velocity\". The people get in cool Mechs like the ones in Aliens, only with guns. They are lead by Toshiro Mifune, for some reason. Meanwhile, Niobe flies the Millenium Falcon through an asteroid field, with TIE fighters in hot pursuit.
Anyway, there\'s this big drill thing that drops from a tall ceiling. Vasquez, the hot chick from Aliens shows up and blows the drill thingies to bits, only she dies. And that annoying kid saves the world. You know how it is. Meanwhile, Elrond shows us that we are all Agent Smith. Somehow, Neo cons HAL 9000 into signing a peace treaty. Nobody understands why, but there you have it. Neo and Elrond duke it out Dragon Ball style, and the audience is waiting for Elrond to say \"Son of Jor-El, kneel before Zod!\" only he says \" Yadda, yadda beginning, yadda yadda ending\" I\'m not so sure about this, \'cause I was still thinking about Monica Bellucci\'s breasts. In any case, Neo wins, because he\'s the good guy and we are already 6 hours into the movie and it really is getting absurd. But he dies, because he\'s kind of lame. The Oreo Cookie, Apu\'s daughter and Lando hook up with the Architect, only he really is Colonel Sanders in disguise.
In conclussion, Troy looks really good and the Wakizashi brothers are geniuses.
THE END
Neo Muad\'Dib awakens in a train station and Apu, the Kwik-E Mart counter guy, tells him they\'re in Limbo or something. Apu\'s wife is really hot, but his daughter is plain annoying. Then the Train Man comes and kicks the crap out of Neo. Morpheus Ben Kenobi, Trinity, and Seraph meet the Oreo Cookie, who apparently has undergone some sort of cosmetic surgery that went really bad, yet no one seems to care. She goes on and on about beginnings and endings. I didn\'t get any of it, so it must be the \"philosophical\" aspect of the movie. She then tells them that to save young Paul Atreides, they must go and talk to the Malnutritioned, the infamous French orgasm cake baker. Half of the audience is really excited, \'cause Frenchy is married to that hot Italian chick with the great ass.
Ben, Chewie and Lando go to an S&M dance club where Frenchy is. People stand on the ceiling and Morpheus must have farted , \'cause everybody was wearing WWI gas masks. They all shoot, and Ben Morpheus gets to use 2 MP5Ks. The hot Italian chick is REALLY hot, Tinititiniity gets pissed everybody looks at Persephone and not her. The audience starts chanting \"mud pit fight, mud pit fight\", but instead she threatens to kill Frenchy the Frog. Then they take Neo back, jack out and find that other hot chick, Niobe, but you have to play the video game to find out what that was all about. Trinity (henceforth known as Skinny Bitch) is really jealous of her too, I can tell.
Then they part ways, \'cause Neo finds out he is not only the Kwisatz Haderach, Superman, Bruce Lee and Jesus Christ, but also Daredevil. The other fella does a pretty good Hugo Weaving impersonation, though. The Skinny Bitch croaks, and it\'s sad. The lesson, as usual, is never let a woman drive, even when you go blind. Neo somehow manages to be the least organic-looking thing in the entire Machine City, which is no small feat even for Keanu. Whoah. Or maybe he was wondering when will he make another movie where he gets to bang Charlize Theron. The machines attack Zion and people shoot a lot. Oddly enough, the machines have mastered antigrav systems, yet they lack any form of offensive weapon other than \"I shall bump against you at great velocity\". The people get in cool Mechs like the ones in Aliens, only with guns. They are lead by Toshiro Mifune, for some reason. Meanwhile, Niobe flies the Millenium Falcon through an asteroid field, with TIE fighters in hot pursuit.
Anyway, there\'s this big drill thing that drops from a tall ceiling. Vasquez, the hot chick from Aliens shows up and blows the drill thingies to bits, only she dies. And that annoying kid saves the world. You know how it is. Meanwhile, Elrond shows us that we are all Agent Smith. Somehow, Neo cons HAL 9000 into signing a peace treaty. Nobody understands why, but there you have it. Neo and Elrond duke it out Dragon Ball style, and the audience is waiting for Elrond to say \"Son of Jor-El, kneel before Zod!\" only he says \" Yadda, yadda beginning, yadda yadda ending\" I\'m not so sure about this, \'cause I was still thinking about Monica Bellucci\'s breasts. In any case, Neo wins, because he\'s the good guy and we are already 6 hours into the movie and it really is getting absurd. But he dies, because he\'s kind of lame. The Oreo Cookie, Apu\'s daughter and Lando hook up with the Architect, only he really is Colonel Sanders in disguise.
In conclussion, Troy looks really good and the Wakizashi brothers are geniuses.
THE END
Chrispy
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The Matrix Re-Plagurized...
I just found out the whole Matrix series was written by a guy who died 2,000 years ago! In Plato\'s Republic he sez thus:
Behold! human beings living in an underground den, which has a mouth open toward the light and reaching all along the den; here they have been from their childhood, and have their legs and necks chained so that they cannot move, and can only see before them, being prevented by the chains from turning round their heads. Above and behind them a fire is blazing at a distance, and between the fire and the prisoners there is a raised way; and you will see, if you look, a low wall built along the way, like the screen which marionette-players have in front of them, over which they show the puppets. And now look again, and see what will naturally follow if the prisoners are released and disabused of their error. At first, when any of them is liberated and compelled suddenly to stand up and turn his neck round and walk and look toward the light, he will suffer sharp pains; the glare will distress him, and he will be unable to see the realities of which in his former state he had seen the shadows; and then conceive someone saying to him, that what he saw before was an illusion, but that now, when he is approaching nearer to being and his eye is turned toward more real existence, he has a clearer vision--what will be his reply? And you may further imagine that his instructor is pointing to the objects as they pass and requiring him to name them--will he not be perplexed? Will he not fancy that the shadows which he formerly saw are truer than the objects which are now shown to him?
Obviously, the cave is the Matrix, and the chains are the machines using their energy. When someone is released from both the cave/Matrix they cannot use their eyes or muslces well. Some will want to keep the shadows of the cave wall as their own reality, rather than accept the real world and even Neo does this, as everyone does because there\'s always talk of the regret of the Blue Pill. Also, note that in the Socratic method, you cannot learn by being taught, but you have to be asked the right question to come to your realization, just like you can\'t be told what the Matrix is!
But then, beileve what you like.. that\'s all the Prophet can do!
I just found out the whole Matrix series was written by a guy who died 2,000 years ago! In Plato\'s Republic he sez thus:
Behold! human beings living in an underground den, which has a mouth open toward the light and reaching all along the den; here they have been from their childhood, and have their legs and necks chained so that they cannot move, and can only see before them, being prevented by the chains from turning round their heads. Above and behind them a fire is blazing at a distance, and between the fire and the prisoners there is a raised way; and you will see, if you look, a low wall built along the way, like the screen which marionette-players have in front of them, over which they show the puppets. And now look again, and see what will naturally follow if the prisoners are released and disabused of their error. At first, when any of them is liberated and compelled suddenly to stand up and turn his neck round and walk and look toward the light, he will suffer sharp pains; the glare will distress him, and he will be unable to see the realities of which in his former state he had seen the shadows; and then conceive someone saying to him, that what he saw before was an illusion, but that now, when he is approaching nearer to being and his eye is turned toward more real existence, he has a clearer vision--what will be his reply? And you may further imagine that his instructor is pointing to the objects as they pass and requiring him to name them--will he not be perplexed? Will he not fancy that the shadows which he formerly saw are truer than the objects which are now shown to him?
Obviously, the cave is the Matrix, and the chains are the machines using their energy. When someone is released from both the cave/Matrix they cannot use their eyes or muslces well. Some will want to keep the shadows of the cave wall as their own reality, rather than accept the real world and even Neo does this, as everyone does because there\'s always talk of the regret of the Blue Pill. Also, note that in the Socratic method, you cannot learn by being taught, but you have to be asked the right question to come to your realization, just like you can\'t be told what the Matrix is!
But then, beileve what you like.. that\'s all the Prophet can do!
