\"Sales Woes For GW\" -Really Intreresting!
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Ebonbuddha
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Yeah. It is doomed it seems. Mithril stuff had (has?) more longevity. But I blame it on the actual sculpts instead of GW. I didn\'t like them. I did like the horses. They make great cavalry models as opposed to the static plastic horses of the Empire armies. The Ring wraiths are good too.
Ebonbuddha
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I think everyone knows people who do that. You use to not have to bother doing that. Back in the old days (God! I sound like a coffin dodger lol) There were a lot more variety in the Citadel, Marauder line. So your army always had a \"unique\" look.
exactly what I thought. when I look at the old models I think the sculptors had much more fun making them than they have nowdays.
maybe not so technically perfect it was all about cool ideas, sometimes weird, sometimes funny. they`ve still fit the WH background though.
i don`t like what changes in the \"fluff\" too - t`s getting \"darker and evil\" but rather in stupid and naive sense. its no longer a world I could believe in.
I agree with the most of the points from the first post. the funniest for me is #5 . it`s so f true! usually the latest realeses sell best so keeping them coming for all the people interested seem to be good idea , isn`t it? if i don`t pay dwarves i won`t spend a freaking cent not because I don`t want to , but simply beacuse there`s nothing for me to buy
.Chern Ann has also pointed interesting thing - disapearing from the net stores was a strange move for me. it fits the \"self-conceited\" gw politics though.
all in all looks GW is loosing contact with their customers. maybe it`s time for them to remember it`s hobby after all
?Something else occurred to me, didn\'t they loose a LOT of money on the aborted Warhammer MMORG?
Weird buisness decisions isn\'t exactly new for GW, anyone else remember when they strated their own record label, for heavy metal, at the beginning of the nineties when rock was being replaced by dance? Not a good buisness move...
Weird buisness decisions isn\'t exactly new for GW, anyone else remember when they strated their own record label, for heavy metal, at the beginning of the nineties when rock was being replaced by dance? Not a good buisness move...
green stuff
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*** waves hand ***
The label was called \"Earache\".
Ebonbuddha
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[sing] Get out of my way. I can do anything. get out of my way. I can do it all. [/sing]
I have (had) that CD.
I have (had) that CD.
Nononono!!! Earache has nothing to do with GW! The label was simply called \'Warhammer Records\'. Earache is a quite renowned label that put out some pretty brutal grindcore metal like Napalm Death, Carcass etc. and some industrial metal like Godflesh. One of their bands was called Bolt Thrower who used GW imagery for record sleves etc. Maybe that\'s why you associate Earache with GW?
AFAIK Warhammer Records put out one album by Saxon and a couple of albums by some newer unknown bands. I don\'t think the label was very successful. lol
green stuff
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I\'m sorry to insist Anders, but Bolt Thrower was related to GW and Earache also produced D-Rok (the group that did the tune Ebonbuddha mentionned, it was on the first Space Hulk PC game). Earache was more of the late 80\'s periode, Warhammer Records came after.
airhead
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Ok, I\'m not a GW player. Let me see if I understand this:
If I buy an army, then there is nothing new for it or nothing I can add until GW redoes the Codex for that army every 6 years or so?
As opposed to MtG where every quarter (3 months), you have to buy a new box set and revamp your decks to remain competitive?
Seems like a company could find the happy medium and make a killing here?
Or would the gamers still whine that the updates were too frequent / not often enough?
???
If I buy an army, then there is nothing new for it or nothing I can add until GW redoes the Codex for that army every 6 years or so?
As opposed to MtG where every quarter (3 months), you have to buy a new box set and revamp your decks to remain competitive?
Seems like a company could find the happy medium and make a killing here?
Or would the gamers still whine that the updates were too frequent / not often enough?
???
Talion
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I must admit I love games-workshop mini, but not their prices.
As for the armies, I don\'t mind that it takes a while for new bits to come out for the various armies, because it takes me forever to paint.
What does annoy the pants off of me is when they do bring out new armies stuff, they don\'t just bring out extra models, they totally redesign the entire model range, so that they look different from the original ones..............and then.............they discontinue the orginal range, so you are left with minis representing the same creature, that look totally different. WHY?????????
As for the armies, I don\'t mind that it takes a while for new bits to come out for the various armies, because it takes me forever to paint.
What does annoy the pants off of me is when they do bring out new armies stuff, they don\'t just bring out extra models, they totally redesign the entire model range, so that they look different from the original ones..............and then.............they discontinue the orginal range, so you are left with minis representing the same creature, that look totally different. WHY?????????
GW had nothing to do with starting and running Earache... Earache came out of the hardcore scene and, maybe since they are also Nottingham based, had a few \'dealings\' with GW, where getting permission to use GW artwork for Bolt Thrower records is one example and the example you mentioned is another. Bolt Thrower also got into some serious problems with GW because of their use of their IP.
Warhammer Records, on the other hand, was closely connected to GW and they were into a more old-school kind of heavy metal.
green stuff
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@Anders : Since my last post, I took the time to do my homework and check my facts with Google. You seem to be right (sorry ). But I do recall having a discussion about this with a metal fan (as in fanatic ) in the early 90\'s. He told me that GW sold their shares in Earache when they saw that it wasn\'t working.
). But I do recall having a discussion about this with a metal fan (as in fanatic ) in the early 90\'s. He told me that GW sold their shares in Earache when they saw that it wasn\'t working.Beelzebrush
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I think this has been resurrected and is being developed by Mythic.
*edit* in fact here\'s the webpage - http://www.warhammeronline.com/
I think it\'s a sign of the times that I can read about GW troubles and bascially think \"I don\'t care\"
GW used to be an indication of how the hobby was going, but not any longer. It seems the hobby is going stronger than ever in fact even while GW is sliding.
Ummm, no one tell any GD judges I wrote this
GW used to be an indication of how the hobby was going, but not any longer. It seems the hobby is going stronger than ever in fact even while GW is sliding.
Ummm, no one tell any GD judges I wrote this
green stuff
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I stand corrected
.This seems to be a problem with many large corporations and even some governmaents. They do something for awhile that seems to work well, then there is a change in the social/customer climate and they INSIST on traveling down the same straigt and narrow (minded?) path that got where they are. A successful company/gov\'t is able to change dynamically to the needs and wants of its clients. The English invented the Longbow and basically ended the dominance of Knights on the battlefield, hence hurrying the end of the Fuedal period. Great idea; only problem is they were so full of themselves and their new toy that they were the LAST (civilized) army in the world to adopt firearms. What was great yesterday is shite today; a lesson we all need to learn.Originally posted by Przemas
exactly what I thought. when I look at the old models I think the sculptors had much more fun making them than they have nowdays. <snip>
This is why I find myself ordering more stuff from their \'specialist\' catalogue then the regular one; the Morheim stuff is the bomb and a lot of the older \'classic\' WH models have so much personality! Those drunken dwarves are the next on my \'to-get list\'.
i don`t like what changes in the \"fluff\" too - t`s getting \"darker and evil\" but rather in stupid and naive sense. its no longer a world I could believe in. <snip>
I don\'t know most of the GW fluff, but I know that the Warmachine fluff is very dark and is based on their award-winning lock-n-load D20 supplement. A dark and Gritty war-torn world on the brink of an industrial revolution. Sounds to me that GW is trying to hop on PP\'s bandwagon.
I agree with the most of the points from the first post. the funniest for me is #5 . it`s so f true! usually the latest realeses sell best so keeping them coming for all the people interested seem to be good idea , isn`t it? if i don`t pay dwarves i won`t spend a freaking cent not because I don`t want to , but simply beacuse there`s nothing for me to buy
Chern Ann has also pointed interesting thing - disapearing from the net stores was a strange move for me. it fits the \"self-conceited\" gw politics though.
all in all looks GW is loosing contact with their customers. maybe it`s time for them to remember it`s hobby after all
This is the \"more is better\" mistake, and is a common business model for companies... just before they go under. I used the example of VooDoo Graphics once before on these forums; a company that was at the top of their game in the early 90\'s and was considered UNBEATABLE. The thing that got them there was the framerates (speed) of their graphics cards; they were at least twice as fast as anything else out there. They kept focusing on their framerates, the thing that made them a success, while other companies concerned themselves with visual quality instead. Their cards kept getting faster, other companies kept getting prettier. Evetually everyone figured out that the human eye only registers about 30 frames a second and anything more is just a waste. Two years after they won a slew of awards for being #1 they went bankrupt and closed their doors forever. It\'s easy to see why GW wants it\'s customers to buy large amounts of figures... quantity over quality. But this will only last so long as they are now realizing, and we can only hope they take their heads out of their collective rumps and take some steps to forestall the impending doom.
We can only hope, because I would miss their bits something aweful, but I doubt they\'ll wise up: Conceit can be quite blinding.
