Rediculous Challenges

[lomaxxdurang]

So I post some pics of some of my minis to get an idea of where I stand painting wise and to get suggestions on improvements.
My painting is not bad but it is not Golden Daemon material especially since I haven't based most of my models.

So I get this guy who posts on one of my models that his thougt is I should dip it pine sol and start over. That is his suggestion very helpful right.

So I check him out and he has zero minis posted and seems to have a habit of annoying the crap out of many people.

So I told him:
So I appreciate the advice. BTW as suggestions go generally if you are going to give them to folks they should actually be valuable suggestions as well as come from people who can at least back up there supposed skill. I don't see any of your pictures on here.
Most people who are going to critique actually have the testicular fortitude to post there own work.


And he said:
Well dipping some of the mini's in pinesol and starting again is indeed a valuable suggestion...creative criticism may be, clean up the mold lines on the minis, read teh book "how to paint Space Marines" may help you, bases definately need some work, drill out the gun barrels or at least use a dot of black to signify the opening,...ex stormtrooper SGt..not so pretty. I have posted minis in the past, and will do so in the future. If you think I am so not in touch with how your mini's are, how does this sound....you pick a mini, and I will paint the same one, we both post it here, and see what happens?? Do you have the "testicualr fortitude" for that, or continue to watch as 50 plus votes agree that your minis rate less than a 4?

My response:
So seriously speaking I don't want to see something you bought off ebay like any person of your particularly low caliber of pathetic would.

(ok so I was a little hostile but I have no doubt its true, that or tiny nerd penis waiving on his part but regardless kind of annoying)

he said back:
[LOL..now that is a funny statement, looks like I got it right in one...you can't accept my challenge due to your lack of testicular fortitude. How about same deal, pick a mini, paint it and compare but submit the work in progess pics as well to prove you did the work...am sure you can't do that. So you up for he challenge or do I simply dismiss your comments and you as the lamentations of the pathetic painter wanna-be??


This comment leads me to believe he is still a virgin but we're not going there.
So now what do I do? Do I listen to this jack @$$ whine at me or do I take him up on his challenge.
I mean seriously speaking I posted my minis to get a better grasp on what I need to do and in turn found an @$$hole.

So I am bringing this up to the forum here for advice.

Joe

 

[pae]

generally it's best to ignore trolls

 

[noneedforaname]

Dont feed the trolls is perhaps the best piece of internet advice i was ever given no matter how tempting it can be sometimes

 

[delta 408]

Agreed. Just paint whatever you like and ignore that person.

 

[Niall]

Yeah I've seen a few reletively well known users making rude comments on work but don't have any pictures themselves as well. Best bet is to just ignore them because they are obviously lacking something in their real lives.

 

[Einion]

Although obviously just saying you should dip it in Pinesol is not really helpful or useful, and seems designed to get a rise out of you, once you got talking to him he wasn't that tollish. Your responses and some of the things you've said about him - and you posting this here like this - are actually TBH.

Most people who are going to critique actually have the testicular fortitude to post there own work.

Do bear in mind that that's not a requirement, nor does is automatically mean that their input isn't worthwhile (if they write anything constructive of course); some people who don't, or can't, paint can still have good insights into things.

And it's not hard to see where basic improvement could be made, like cleaning up mould lines and drilling out barrels, neater edges, more contrast, smoother blends. Those are all pretty basic and obvious to folks with some familiarity with miniatures.

...do I take him up on his challenge.

Well you could but you have zero guarantee he'll follow through. So you're taking a big chance he'll have a chance at annoying you even more than he's done so already, which I don't think is worth it.

Plus, what if he is better than you (especially if it's much better) how you going to feel then? Worse because some anonymous guy you think is a jerk is a better painter or better because it reassures you that he did know that was the case?

Einion

 

[lomaxxdurang]

Waiting to hear from you, see if your testicular fortitude has come back. Have found a few genestealers that are on teh sprue...think you can paint nids??


This is his newest one.

You are right though its vert tempting to play with the monkeys in the zoo.

I am laughing pretty hard at this whole thing. I don't think he gets it at all.
The only thing is I think I am going to get bored to quick.
I mean I do have a lot of guard to paint and if competing with someone else will make me work harder to create a beautiful model I think that would be awesome, but honestly speaking I think no matter what he would be the lets go 2 outta 3 type. You know what I mean.

 

[lomaxxdurang]

Actually if he was better it wouldn't bother me at all. I don't have anything to prove in this hobby. Its what I do for fun.
I'm a 25 year old combat veteran, I have a beautiful fiance, and I have a pretty good career as an insurance agent.
If he can paint better than me I congragulate him, but honestly I don't really care that much. I think the only reason I posted this here was I thought the whole thing was comical.

I am not all that serious of a person when it comes to a hobby, my world doesn't stop or start because of a model, you know what I mean?

 

[Yuggoth]

In my honest opinion you have insulted him far more than he has: "small Penis, still a virgin, nerdy..." WTF?? Do you honestly think that ist even the tiniest bit better than his "stripp it and start again" comment?

If you ask me, you should apologise, take the challange as a sporting chance to improve yourself and transform this tread into a good, old fashioned WIP.
There where challendes before on this forum, but as far as I remember they where always of a good-natured kind, with insults given and taken in a humorus and light-hearted form.

 

[Tercha]

Well I don't think the minis are that bad certainly a good tabletop quality, I have seen a LOT worse!
constructively, I would pick a mini I really really like, and prep it...mould lines drilling barrels a bit of basing nothing too fancy, prime it then try and incorporate techniques that are used on here blending is a must, black lining, gems etc avoid NMM, it is very hard to get to look good. also avoid camouflage that can just make the finish messy.

keep an old mini to compare with so you can see for yourself how much you have improved.

the only critic that matters is yourself if you don't intend to enter competitions.

 

[freakinacage]

Sound like he's maybe a little brash but seems fair. I'd say take him
up on it, ignore the fact that you both got off on the wrong foot and take the challenge in good humour. It could be the start of a beautiful friendship! Also take the proper comments he made seriously, it's good advice. And finish your bases!

 

[uberdark]

so you guys both said things that were a bit harsh. swallow your pride and apologize for the miscommunication and ask for his apology, move on and do the paint off. and make sure you post a wip with him inputting pics on it as well.

 

[DXM]

My 2 cents.......The only time I would ever say "dip it in pinesol" would be to a friend and he would know it was tongue in cheek or someone asks how do you strip old paint of a mini.. Fine, you might need to clean up mould line and rebase etc. but to slap you first and just to continue to critisize your work. It doesn't work that way. Ignore him, there is a forum here full painters that will give constructive critiques and not rip you a new one to prove we're better painters. To take the challenge would prove very little. You win, you proved he's a troll, you lose. you're a target for ....told you so.
Ignore him, talk to the rest of the forum here, take the advice, use it and continue painting for the enjoyment. I have a saying, no matter how good you think you are, there are 100 people better than you that can put you to shame. Enjoy painting minis for what it is, a hobby....ok rant off.

 

[Tagamoga]

Dear lomaxxdurang,

there is an old phrase in poland: "No matter how bad you are, there will be still some one, who is worser. No matter how good you are, there will be still someone, that is better. So improve yourself and dont look how good the others are."

It is translated freely, but the main point is, that you post your minis and read the critiks. Many are not able even to do this. But dont take every comment to your heart! Choose wisely, which one is helpfull, useful or makes fun. Ignore the other ones, because they are a waste of time.

My answer to such comment would be something like that: "Oh you are right, most wisely paint guru. According to your various and brlliant picture postings I have to admit, that I am not worthy, to achieve your genius comments. So dont waste your most valueable precious time for tiping to me, but please continue with your ingenious paintings to show your spendid atwork."

I think this would annoy him more... :angel: and he cannot claim, that you have insulted him. :devil:

Greetings, Taggi

 

[Master of fact]

What taggi says! Dont take the challenge, if they were such a good painter they really would have posted something, thats what this wonderful site is mostly for......

 

[cassar]

you have to learn to crawl before you walk, its not helpful if someone trips you up with unhelpful comments. for the most part everyone on this site's helpfull and friendly, that comment however was neither. i know its hard but try not to take it to heart and keep at it.

regards cassar.

 

[lomaxxdurang]

I appreciate what all of you had to say here and much of what you have said has been very thoughtful and well considered. I am debating the apology, swallowing my pride isn't hard as this is a hobby and doesn't make a difference in the real world.
My only issue with the paint off is I really don't care to paint with someone like that. I paint of my own accord and really only just got back into painting after a year. I have gotten consistently better and better and these were the first minis I have ever posted just to find out what I need to do now.
I knew I needed to base them but I haven't decided how to go about that yet totally but I will eventually.

I have been experimenting more and more with NMM, and washes, and plasticard and green stuff. This is a creative outlet and has been a lot of fun.

I will have to finish the a few more models that I have been working on since then as well as a few other toys, and then I will come back and work more on these.

Thank all of you.
Joe

 

[ScottRadom]

Well I am going to go against the crowd and say don't bother apologizing. Screw that guy. Dude sends you a crappy comment and you react. No biggy, just move on.

However the thing is do you want to accept the challenge? Not HIS challenge, dude sounds like a tool, but rather the challenge of painting a better mini?

'Cause if you do you are in the right place my friend! Start off by looking through the articles on the site here. There's some good ones on basic blending and such. Start there. Pick a single model like a character and really go to town on it. Make a goal on each fig like neatness or what not. Then take a break and pound out more rank and file if you like.

Things I would reccomend are....
-Use less colours on each fig. From your gallery most of the mini's look real busy. The cam pattern on the IG stands out as stuff that just jumps at me from all angles.
-Make sure you're using brushes with good points! Hitting a lot of the detail in those figs is so much easier with well maintained equipment. If you haven't you may want to consider picking up a good kolinsky sable brush, but it's not vital immediately.
-Thin your paint! Someone mentioned it already I think but starting at at least 1 part water to 1 part paint will help you get better results. More time and more coats needed, but you'll be glad you did.

I personally came here to CMON and was lucky enough to get the exact opposite type of comments you got. Crappy you had to get introduced to the boards like that.

Good luck, and keep us posted!

 

[doyme]

I agree with ScottRadom. Forget this other guy and concentrate on painting a better mini. You clearly enjoy painting and therefore you will get much better at it. This site is awsome in that you see truly pro-painted models and get advise/tutorials in the articles section.

I had a look at your mini's. I think that the art side of things is fine. for example SGT kell is painted with a good triad of red blue yellow. Whilst colour and value are not your main problem (they will improve naturally with time and research) you do need to improve painting technique.

Start with your next model and make a Work In Progress thread in this forum. Start by posting the mini just undercoated and wait for remarks. Sure you will get "I can see a mold line" and "you need to do X,Y,Z". Follow the advice and redo the step if required. Then move on to base coat and ask again for feedback on it. Keep going like this and you will see your posted mini score rising. When you get the basics right the advanced stuff will be easier to progress to. Hopefully you will enjoy doing this as well! It is all about enjoyment.

PS: I need to follow my own advice and start posting minis for review. I just need to save enough money for a vaguely decent macro digital camera!

 

[Tagamoga]

doyme... I have no digital one... only one of my cellular phone...

Greetings, Taggi