Playing with Unpainted Minis...a sin?
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mysticsage
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I belive that ALL mini\'s should be painted to some extent to be played with.
What annoys me is when people expect GD standard throughout
But also bare metal is just wrong basic painting aint that hard.
A friend of mine undercoats and then block drybrushes models so he can play the games that the minis were created for. Is this \"painted\"
Really the hobby could be spilt into painters and gamers and then people who are good at both
What annoys me is when people expect GD standard throughout
But also bare metal is just wrong basic painting aint that hard.
A friend of mine undercoats and then block drybrushes models so he can play the games that the minis were created for. Is this \"painted\"
Really the hobby could be spilt into painters and gamers and then people who are good at both
CELPainting
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well, im that guy who comes in with a totally painted army to a very nice standard, and everyone else in the tourney has the \"ghost\" army of white primer.
do i think they should be banned..no
i do think they show alot less respect for my painted army in normal gameplay. scratches and chips from the non painters jaming there models into my army. this eventually made me stop playing in the tourneys that were rampent with ether very young gamers or almost all unpainted players (there both just to rough on my army while playing against me) ive never had a significant problem with painted armys being to rough.
also it looks better on the board against my army, basically someone who put in the painting effort has the right to hope/encourage play against other painted armys since they obviously care about looks, and the opponents army has a large impact on the battles looks as well.
but even with my hopes for all painted all the time, i know that non-painters buy alot, help keep this hobby going and have the right to just play if they want. i dont hate them, but i might sometimes avoid them.
do i think they should be banned..no
i do think they show alot less respect for my painted army in normal gameplay. scratches and chips from the non painters jaming there models into my army. this eventually made me stop playing in the tourneys that were rampent with ether very young gamers or almost all unpainted players (there both just to rough on my army while playing against me) ive never had a significant problem with painted armys being to rough.
also it looks better on the board against my army, basically someone who put in the painting effort has the right to hope/encourage play against other painted armys since they obviously care about looks, and the opponents army has a large impact on the battles looks as well.
but even with my hopes for all painted all the time, i know that non-painters buy alot, help keep this hobby going and have the right to just play if they want. i dont hate them, but i might sometimes avoid them.
No Such Agency
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Indeed... so he has contributed to the hobby in several ways
Spacemunkie
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My troops always die. Miserably.
But they look damn cool whilst they\'re still on the table!
Get \'em painted, even if they\'re only basecoated and dipped/inked, they look much better.
But they look damn cool whilst they\'re still on the table!
Get \'em painted, even if they\'re only basecoated and dipped/inked, they look much better.
Yeah, i have to say, it looks much cooler to have 20 PAINTED space marines than 20 Ghost marines in grey....
I almost feel obliged by myself to paint and i have just realised ive missed to games because i didnt get myself together to paint my assault squad, but i would also say that people with unpainted armies should be aloved to play..
I almost feel obliged by myself to paint and i have just realised ive missed to games because i didnt get myself together to paint my assault squad, but i would also say that people with unpainted armies should be aloved to play..
funnymouth
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wow, thats a neat hg wells fact. huh, ill have to see if i can find a copy of those books
obveously, we are all a bit biased (well, \'cept for evil dave, who seems to be the most accepting of our group these days???)
towords painted minis. personally though i have no problem with gaming against unpainted minis. i still only have about half of my gk army painted, and i play away. i do think, though, that playing with, and against a painted army adds something to the game (or painted minis in an rpg, whatever your poison).
obveously, we are all a bit biased (well, \'cept for evil dave, who seems to be the most accepting of our group these days???)
towords painted minis. personally though i have no problem with gaming against unpainted minis. i still only have about half of my gk army painted, and i play away. i do think, though, that playing with, and against a painted army adds something to the game (or painted minis in an rpg, whatever your poison).
Ive played in both types of Tournaments. The one where you have to have 3 colors and the one where they didnt care. The one where they didnt care also gave painting points. After 2 or 3 years just about every one had painted armies. I would like to think that Myself and one or two other guys helped raise the standard of painting in out local club.
I love seeing two well painted armies go at it but I will still play against unpainted.
The other thing is if someone if roughing up your minis on the table just explain to them that they need to take care. If they dont shake thier hand and thank them for the game and then pack up your minis and walk away. I did this in a tourney on turn 2. The guy just sat there for the rest of the time limit (About 2 1/2 hours) with his mouth open. He was very careful with other minis after that.
I love seeing two well painted armies go at it but I will still play against unpainted.
The other thing is if someone if roughing up your minis on the table just explain to them that they need to take care. If they dont shake thier hand and thank them for the game and then pack up your minis and walk away. I did this in a tourney on turn 2. The guy just sat there for the rest of the time limit (About 2 1/2 hours) with his mouth open. He was very careful with other minis after that.
Oh, I\'m all for a nicely painted army, but if the tournement doesn\'t have rules against unpainted armies then so be it.
I do, however, find it a bit egocentric to make statements that you\'d never play against an unpainted army, and that painting is part of the hobby.
That\'s like saying those display pieces you have are crappy because you don\'t game with them, as many of these pieces were designed with a game in mind, you\'re not fufilling part of the hobby.
A hobby is supposed to be fun, just because you find an aspect of it fun does not mean someone else does.
Superior paintjob does not make a superior army, or player.
And as you will note, the winners of the tournement, used an unpainted army, hmmm.
I do, however, find it a bit egocentric to make statements that you\'d never play against an unpainted army, and that painting is part of the hobby.
That\'s like saying those display pieces you have are crappy because you don\'t game with them, as many of these pieces were designed with a game in mind, you\'re not fufilling part of the hobby.
A hobby is supposed to be fun, just because you find an aspect of it fun does not mean someone else does.
Superior paintjob does not make a superior army, or player.
And as you will note, the winners of the tournement, used an unpainted army, hmmm.
I game with a bunch that run the gamut between simply primed and fully painted. For gaming purposes I am not offended if my opponent\'s army is unpainted, but a game with all painted armies is sooo much cooler. It\'s too hard to find opponents around here to be picky.
I suppose I do draw the line at unassembled. I woulnd\'t play against someone who just put sprues on the battlefield as their units.
I suppose I do draw the line at unassembled. I woulnd\'t play against someone who just put sprues on the battlefield as their units.
johnboyjjb
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Not much of a gamer but when I do play the opponents need to be primered in different colors if I am playing more than one person. I don\'t care if they are obviously different teams, they need to be obviously different colors. If they are painted it\'s my problem to figure out who own which mini, but if they are primered I want to know who\'s mini belongs to which ally with just a glance.
vincegamer
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Hate to burst your bubble, but...
First off, why would an English writer give his game a German name?
Kriegspiel was played in Prussia as a sort of tactical training tool since 1824, when the son of the inventor, a man named Von Reisswitz, introduced the game to General Von Muffling, the Prussian Chief of Staff.
After Prussia defeated France in 1870, the game started showing up in other armies around Europe.
H.G.Wells introduced miniatures wargames to the non-military public in his \"Little Wars,\"
which is considered the foundation of all miniatures gaming today.
Civilian war games using counters instead of miniatures started in 1953 with Tactics.
So, to sum up, wargaming as a training tool for the military has been used since the 1820s. (the beginnings run back to a game on squares by Helwig, Master of the Pages for the Duke of Brunswick in 1780).
Wells introduced the use of miniatures and marketed gaming for the general public.
So I guess Lloyd is right, it is a chicken or egg sort of question. It all depends on how you define a chicken.
*my source was \"The Complete Book of Wargames\" by Jon Freeman, 1980 (obviously not complete any more!)
Sand Rat
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Umm hate to disagree Vince, but the first non military wargaming group was established in 1894 in England. As for why the rules were called Kriegspiel, the Brits ripped off the German High Command rules that the Prussians used, while Wells, an avowed pacifist, is credited with popularizing the civilian aspect of it with Floor Games and Little Wars at the begining of the 20th Century.
GW tourneys require a fully painted army, and I believe 3 colors too. I would say any tournament should encorperate the \"must be fully painted\" rule. This promotes one of the 4 tiers that sustains our hobby!
This also helps professional painters, both old and new.
As well, there can be no doubt that a well painted army can tip the tables of a tight nite game.
Before battle the ancient romans kept high hygiene, wore clean atrractive uniforms, and combed there hair. It is said there intimidating appearance turned the tide in many battles, and some opponents even retreated.
This also helps professional painters, both old and new.
As well, there can be no doubt that a well painted army can tip the tables of a tight nite game.
Before battle the ancient romans kept high hygiene, wore clean atrractive uniforms, and combed there hair. It is said there intimidating appearance turned the tide in many battles, and some opponents even retreated.
Sand Rat
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Originally posted by Cesar
Before battle the ancient romans kept high hygiene, wore clean atrractive uniforms, and combed there hair. It is said there intimidating appearance turned the tide in many battles, and some opponents even retreated.
Prior to the Battle Of Thermoplyae, the Spartans sat down and did their hair, much to the chagrin of the Persians.
Originally posted by Cesar
Before battle the ancient romans kept high hygiene, wore clean atrractive uniforms, and combed there hair. It is said there intimidating appearance turned the tide in many battles, and some opponents even retreated.
Any self-respecting Roman (rich or poor) would, upon exhibiting grey hairs in theirr mane, begin a hair-coloring treatment consisting of regular combing with a lead comb dipped in vinegar -- thereby returning the black sheen to their tonsorial glory.
Leadheads, for sure!lollol
Dragonsreach
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Originally posted by Cesar
As well, there can be no doubt that a well painted army can tip the tables of a tight nite game.
Huh? How can colour affect the play of a set of figures? That\'s down to the tactics of the player, is it not.
Having taken part in a few tournaments with my Sisters of Battle army I\'ve actually won the Best Painted Army at one. Didn\'t win a single battle but still enjoyed the games. lol
Before battle the ancient romans kept high hygiene, wore clean atrractive uniforms, and combed there hair. It is said there intimidating appearance turned the tide in many battles, and some opponents even retreated.
As Lloyd poined out you might be confusing the Spartans with the Romans. If I remember correctly, Spartans were famous for Oiling their bodies and hair with Olive Oil to reduce grip for their opponents. Romans were required to keep their hair short, clean and polish ther Armour on a daily basis.
Their battlefield Hygeine however, I\'m not that sure about. In a permanent settlement yes very high, but on Campaign, Bathhouses would be quite a luxury. Looks like I\'ll have to do some research on Caesars Gallic Wars again.
darkartminiatures
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I haven\'t played for many years and now that i have starting painting again i have even less time to play. Some folk just don\'t have the time to do both. I think in an ideal world both armies should be painted but thats life. I do think however that in a tournements both armies should be painted to a nice standard as the gamers are taking it to another level.... thats what i think anyway.
I do think however that in a tournements both armies should be painted to a nice standard as the gamers are taking it to another level.... thats what i think anyway.