Plastic over metal?

Rachel

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mmm, plastics...

I really like them.

Yeah, I love the weight of metal, but I also hate the way it chips so easily and the often rougher texture of the surface.

As far as detail goes, I think it\'s not so much that plastic in-and-of-itself has less detail, but that it tends to be used for the less detailed figures, with the (presumably) smaller production runs of detailed characters in metal.

What I do really like about plastic is that a blade has an edge, and that a delicate bit of detail that comes separately and needs to be attached is actually delicate. Plastic multipart minis rock for that aspect of it - I hate that metal minis so often just have a big chunk between sword and cloak for moulding reasons, or the square edges on a lot of blades, or that banner poles bend and break if they\'re top heavy or packaged roughly.

Plastic, on the other hand, can have the wafer-thin blades (yeah, they can break, but imagine the same width object in metal and tell me it won\'t be fragile :) ) that can be attached to the figure separately to look much better in the long run. Banner poles will easily support the weight of a ridiculous amount of plastic on top (or even quite a bit of metal) - and they\'ll stay straight. I tend to run a pin all the way through things that\'ll have a lot of weight on them, but I find them infinitely preferable to metal poles that turn into s-shapes in the blister.

Also the detail is getting better and better, it\'s hard to tell the difference between (for example ) Jes Goodwin plastic marine faces and metal faces.

If more stuff was plastic I\'d be happy, it\'s lighter so the sculpts could be far more complex and delicate. No more 3mm thick cloaks and huge chunks of metal between oversized dragon claws :) . And heck, I can always just weight the base.
 

supervike

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I too noticed the similarities....

What happen to that little squeaker, anyhow?

I miss his story telling scripts and all around goofy demeanor.

:(:(:(
 
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Sturmhalo

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Originally posted by tooshy

However, having said that - how the hell would they get their weapons past customs? ??? Can you imagine an Ork being frisked and then questioned when they find a bolter under his coat and several snotlings in his top pocket....

Customs Officer (CO): \"ok Mr..er..ShagNasty is it?...

ShagNasty eh? Been watching a certain series of \'adult\' videos have we?

lol

If only GW made metal Tau Firewarriors! I\'d be happy then. Instead I\'m going to continue moaning about them (even though I do still want to get myself a box of the plasticky little malformed buggers!).
 

tooshy

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::BURP::....

Mouse!??!? Where?? Nah...never heard of him. In what ways are we similar then?

And as for you Sturm....what particular series of adult videos are you referring to :D ??? :D :innocent:
 

Nomis

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Wightzombie commented earlier that metal minis cost nothing to produce????????

This is falsely equating raw material cost to finished product price.

I used to work in the jewellery trade (retail) and once saw the invoice trail for an expensive (at that time) watch.
The shop was selling it for about £100 but the original Swiss invoice was for some thing like £10 to £16 delivered to the UK warehouse. If the watch had been hit with a hammer (as in the magicians trick) it would have been worth no more than a few pence.

Lots of fingers in the pie!

GW, very cleverly, has kept control of the whole of the distribution chain so takes profit at every stage - but also spends money to complete every stage!

They also have to finance forward development of the hobby - what would happen if everyone thought (like I did) that the new Grey Knight figures were crap and didn\'t buy them? Lots of wasted development and money.

OMG here I am defending them again;)

What I DONT understand is why aren\'t the plastics even better than they are.

Years ago I used to build plastic model tanks and, even earlier, model planes. The level of detail was far higher than that currently available from GW.

One thing I have noticed is that non GW plastic kits (Tamaya, Hasgewa, Italia, etc) are also exhorbitantly priced in hobby shops.
 

abstracity

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Err...Okay....

I\'m truly confused concerning the people who put forth the \"metals are more detailed\" argument...IMO this is a load of bunk.

Back in the day I bought the Fantasy Regiments box (or whatever it was called) you know...the one that had 10 minis from each of six races? 60 mini\'s for $20 I loved it! Anyway the point is detail...some of those figures were at least as detailed as the metal mini\'s out at the time (this is not to say that these were the best mini\'s in the world...but neither were their metal counterparts...)

Fast forward to the present. I have plastic Chaos Warriors...some of the detail on those figures are super tiny and very very nice...the metal figures today are equally nice.

As technology changes we see increases in quality.

I have the opposite reaction to most of you it seems...I can quite easily see the day when plastic mini\'s outstrip their metal cousins in detail...in fact I think it\'s very close....it seems that plastics are more readily molded into fine detail because of the mold material...metal. Metal mini\'s are cast in vulcanized ruber molds (that wear out and need to be remade...).

I work at a company that molds plastic parts...we hold tolerances within the thousandth of an inch (that\'s .001) on NON-CRITICAL surfaces...critical surfaces might have requirements into the hundred-thousandth!! In short, plastics are capable of holding VERY fine detail as long as you can make the mold, and THAT is where the problem is...molds are very expensive to make and maintain...as someone else mentioned a single mold can very easily cost upwards of $100,000.

For the people who like the weight because they are collector\'s...this seems odd as well....is the work that went into the paintjob lessened because of the casting material? Would the Mona Lisa be less a work of art if it were painted on denim (or plasticard?) rather than canvas?

Oh well, to each his own...at least now I know not to try to sell Finn a plastic mini!!
 

Sand Rat

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Hmm, over on this side of the pond, my experience has been that the other companies models (Tamyia etc) have been less expensive than the GW product -
 

dauber22

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Originally posted by farseerlum

Would the Mona Lisa be less a work of art if it were painted on denim (or plasticard?) rather than canvas?

i\'m pretty sure it would be.

However, if it was painted on black velvet and, perhaps, used as a cover for a throw pillow...:D
 

finn17

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Hmmmm...

Would the \'Venus de Milo\' or \'David\' be worth less if they were carved out of polystyrene?

You can probably already guess what I think.....:D
 

abstracity

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So what you are saying is....

that you are an artistic snob, eh?

If it doesn\'t conform to your aesthetic opinion it is not up to snuff?
 

Sand Rat

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Originally posted by abstracity
that you are an artistic snob, eh?

If it doesn\'t conform to your aesthetic opinion it is not up to snuff?

Finn may not be saying it, but I am - if it aint up to my standards in my opinion it aint art - and I aint going to pay to see it or to purchase it or to support it and if that makes me an elitist snob or a backwards jackass then so be it. Just because Picasso slapped some mud on a piece of board and was able to hawk it to someone for half a million dollars does not mean that it meets my expectations of art - but that is a completely different discussion.
 

Nomis

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I\'ve just picked up my first Fenryll mini which is made of resin (I think).

Seems to have all the detail of a metal mini and all the lightness of plastic -

should I bin it as trash \'cause it\'s too light weight?

This seems to have become a silly thread and I intend calling in the Monty Python Sketch police to end it!

I mean - really - how can you make a judgement on quality based on weight?
 

finn17

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It\'s more than just weight...

As far as I am concerned \'plastic\' is a term of abuse. There can\'t be many things you would purchase where you would not feel slightly offended if someone said, \"that looks plasticy\".

As for being an artistic snob, perhaps I am. I wouldn\'t give house room to plastic miniatures because I don\'t want figures in bulk. As I said right at the beginning, plastic is fine if you want to construct an army quickly or want to do conversions.
For collecting and individual figure painting however it is not up to snuff IMO.

Look down the top lists on this site and see how far you have to go down before you come across a plastic miniature...

Or, try buying your wife/girlfriend some plastic jewellery for her birthday and when she complains try calling her an artistic snob:p
 

vincegamer

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Originally posted by finn17
Would the \'Venus de Milo\' or \'David\' be worth less if they were carved out of polystyrene?
Well, I\'m pretty sure they would both be non-existant. I mean, the venus is made of stone and STILL lost her arms! No way Polystyrene would have survived the counterreformation!
 

vincegamer

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Originally posted by Nomis
This seems to have become a silly thread and I intend calling in the Monty Python Sketch police to end it!
That won\'t be necessary, no one has offered to let us eat his leg.
 
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