New Citadel Brushes
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freakinacage
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well their elite painting kits that they used to sell were exactly the same as the w+n ones but with a \'bolt gun cartridge\' in it and an imperial eagle on the front
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Shadzar
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Now those look dumb. What good is the color coded tip, when it will likely be down in a jar when you properly put away a brush. So you could see the tip, but not grab a brush based on it. Just another excuse to jack up the price it sems, by having someone else make the brushes, and GW get loads more profit just like they do with the raised price of gren stuff that has their label on it.
I still use Testors 3/0 brushes most of the time.
Are these brushes any shorter than the blue ones?
I still use Testors 3/0 brushes most of the time.
Are these brushes any shorter than the blue ones?
mattsterbenz
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Originally posted by green stuff
Aim I the only one to see a contradiction in these phrases, or do you also collect brushes?
It does seem that way, doesn\'t it?
Here\'s some reasoning:I paint a lot at the LGS. Many times I would get there and realize that I forgot to bring my brushes (I keep them in cups separate from my paints, so naturally this occurs sometimes) so I would just buy a new set rather than drive home.
Also, I own about 10 Tank Brushes. This is because when I paint a very fast army I make good use of the tank brush. When switching to different colors I just grab a fresh tank brush. Since it absorbs so much water even after drying on a paper towel I find it much better grabbing a dry one for the next layer. That way I can \"cycle\" through them. If that makes any sense!
And yes the brushes do go bad occasionally, so I will need to replace them. I still keep them all around and use all of them. Brushes that are really bad (not many of these) get reserved for spreading glue, mixing paint, and drybrushing bases. Brushes that are still decent but not too great are used for basecoats and applying washes. The brushes that still have a good point to them (most of them) are used for highlights, etc.
That\'s why I have so many brushes
Wouldn\'t have it any other way.-Matt
nightsword
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It\'s comments like this that influence people\'s opinions on certain things in a bad way. So what if W+N might make the brushes? It may be that W+N do a better job at it (W+N make great brushes!), or that\'s its cheaper for GW to buy the brushes than to setup, hire and train staff and buy the materials. That would surely even be more expensive! It\'s £3.20 for a GW standard brush, whilst the series 7 brush that I bought from Hobby Craft cost me a tenner and they\'re made from the same damn type of hair. If anything, it\'s good business sense to buy them in, if that is actually what they do!
I also read somewhere that the colour coded tips were a suggestion from consumers. Furthermore, there is now a citadel water pot that is in no doubt designed to hold the new brushes *bristles down* so you can see the handles.
I personally have always used the GW brushes and never had a problem.
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Shadzar
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My biggest problem is claiming that it is a GW product. and made by GW. If W+N makes them, then the customer should know who made them. Like Green Stuff, GW has any notice of Polymerics Systems removed from the packaging, so it can be hard to find info on the product. You even call GW and they claim to make it, but call Polymerics, and they will tell you they make and put the label on both the GW and Reaper, AND Gale Force 9 green stuff. It is all knead-a-tite made by Polymerics, but GW wants to take credit for it.
Now the brushes might not be as peculiar with hazards and such as GS, but it would still be nice to see who really makes the stuff.
So if GW, doesn\'t make a brush in the size/shape you want, then you know W+N makes them, you can just go look at their lines and get one you can use and know you are getting the same quality.
It may cost more, but if you need a brush not in the GW line, then you either do without or pay a little bit more.
Does GW make any angled ferrule brushes?
... Seriously Shadzar, you hate GW. We get it. Does it matter who makes the brush? Did GW ever deny W&N is the manufacturer? Do you expect Mail Order Trolls to know what the hell they are talking about?
GW brushes work for most painters just fine. I won my first couple of Demons with these brushes, and I can say with confidence that my S7 brushes haven\'t made me any better at painting. They just let you paint to your potential faster and with a few less headaches since they behave better. And now Citadel brushes are cheaper than ever. How is this a bad thing?
Try using the bloody brushes before you bash them. This thread is about brushes not marketing strategy, and from what I hear the new brushes work pretty well (especially good word of mouth re: drybrushes).
Oh, and color coded tips aren\'t as dumb as you think, since virtually ever painter in my gaming group (myself included) doesn\'t store brushes in a jar, but rather flat in a box or tray of some kind.
GW brushes work for most painters just fine. I won my first couple of Demons with these brushes, and I can say with confidence that my S7 brushes haven\'t made me any better at painting. They just let you paint to your potential faster and with a few less headaches since they behave better. And now Citadel brushes are cheaper than ever. How is this a bad thing?
Try using the bloody brushes before you bash them. This thread is about brushes not marketing strategy, and from what I hear the new brushes work pretty well (especially good word of mouth re: drybrushes).
Oh, and color coded tips aren\'t as dumb as you think, since virtually ever painter in my gaming group (myself included) doesn\'t store brushes in a jar, but rather flat in a box or tray of some kind.
mattsterbenz
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Well said, Jericho.
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Also with the color coded tips, I think they are brilliant. Yes I store and transport my brushes in a jar. Keywords are store and transport. I don\'t know about you guys, but my frequently used brushes are laid to rest on the table when I am painting, usually about 5 brushes at a time. I don\'t put them back in the cup until the painting session is over. Putting them back in the cup frequently makes it tedious finding the right one when there\'s 50 other brushes to choose from.
-Matt
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Also with the color coded tips, I think they are brilliant. Yes I store and transport my brushes in a jar. Keywords are store and transport. I don\'t know about you guys, but my frequently used brushes are laid to rest on the table when I am painting, usually about 5 brushes at a time. I don\'t put them back in the cup until the painting session is over. Putting them back in the cup frequently makes it tedious finding the right one when there\'s 50 other brushes to choose from.
-Matt
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Shadzar
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Yeah I dislike the suits, but you are missing the point and problem.
If GW is having someone else make the brush, then they are taking credit for it. No acknowledgment to the company that makes them, much like Knead-a-tite Blue/Yellow epoxy putty.
I am just sick and time of people.companies wanting to take credit for others work, and in turn don\'t take responsibility for their own screw-ups or actions.
They can steal stuff and claim it their own. (in the case of the brushes and GS just have their label on it.) But many fail to taking responsibility for their own mistakes.
It is high time it went the other way. Take responsibility for your own actions, and stop claiming other peoples work for your own.
I have a GW product labeled MADE IN THE USA on it, and when I called them about getting/buying a replacement part for the 2nd edition 40k figure, they told me nothing was made outside of UK.
So they couldn\'t even tell me what part it was I needed/wanted to buy to complete the mini. ???
It is about as dumb as Troll and Toad phone operators not even knowing they carry Green Stuff with the Gale Force 9 label on it because they haven\'t walked over there and looked when you call to try to order it by phone.
Do people not care, or just not pay attention to any of these details anymore, and just walk around with their heads up their......
Blue handled GW brushes are nice. I had to use some several times. Some I would not choose to buy, but others I would. For those I would not want, in the case of the new brushes for example. I would just like to know where else to get same quality merchandise.
Like Green Stuff, you cannot buy direct from Polymeric Systems, but you can from a few of their distributors, or you can buy it under the label of GW and Reaper for the 6\" tape at a much inflated price, of from Gale Force 9 for the tubes/rolls for only about $1 over the generic Polymeric Systems label.
Do the people that work at the company that makes the brushes not deserve any credit for their work or continued quality products? Does GW deserve all the credit just for having only their name stamped on the brushes?
Just getting about as annoying as all the paints being made by the same company only having the labels on them say Citadel Colour, Vallejo, Reaper, etc.
Paying for the name for the sake of buying the name, when its all the same stuff.ossessed:
My brushes are all different colored handles. Probably because they are from different companies, but it helps me grab a brush at a glance. I guess if you have them laying out like art pencils, then the similar colored tips could be helpful.
Are they just painted tips or something to make the brush end more sturdy as well?
If GW is having someone else make the brush, then they are taking credit for it. No acknowledgment to the company that makes them, much like Knead-a-tite Blue/Yellow epoxy putty.
I am just sick and time of people.companies wanting to take credit for others work, and in turn don\'t take responsibility for their own screw-ups or actions.
They can steal stuff and claim it their own. (in the case of the brushes and GS just have their label on it.) But many fail to taking responsibility for their own mistakes.
It is high time it went the other way. Take responsibility for your own actions, and stop claiming other peoples work for your own.
I have a GW product labeled MADE IN THE USA on it, and when I called them about getting/buying a replacement part for the 2nd edition 40k figure, they told me nothing was made outside of UK.
So they couldn\'t even tell me what part it was I needed/wanted to buy to complete the mini. ???
It is about as dumb as Troll and Toad phone operators not even knowing they carry Green Stuff with the Gale Force 9 label on it because they haven\'t walked over there and looked when you call to try to order it by phone.
Do people not care, or just not pay attention to any of these details anymore, and just walk around with their heads up their......
Blue handled GW brushes are nice. I had to use some several times. Some I would not choose to buy, but others I would. For those I would not want, in the case of the new brushes for example. I would just like to know where else to get same quality merchandise.
Like Green Stuff, you cannot buy direct from Polymeric Systems, but you can from a few of their distributors, or you can buy it under the label of GW and Reaper for the 6\" tape at a much inflated price, of from Gale Force 9 for the tubes/rolls for only about $1 over the generic Polymeric Systems label.
Do the people that work at the company that makes the brushes not deserve any credit for their work or continued quality products? Does GW deserve all the credit just for having only their name stamped on the brushes?
Just getting about as annoying as all the paints being made by the same company only having the labels on them say Citadel Colour, Vallejo, Reaper, etc.
Paying for the name for the sake of buying the name, when its all the same stuff.
ossessed:My brushes are all different colored handles. Probably because they are from different companies, but it helps me grab a brush at a glance. I guess if you have them laying out like art pencils, then the similar colored tips could be helpful.
Are they just painted tips or something to make the brush end more sturdy as well?
alextheartist
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Vallejo is an independant acylic paint manufacuturour.... and are made in SPAIN
Dont drag them in with GW, which are made in China, not by GW...
Dont drag them in with GW, which are made in China, not by GW...
shadzar i love the fact that you think gw is the only company that will do this lol
it happens in loads of buisiness
just think though shadzar theres nothing you can do about it, so why carry on complaining about it ??? just deal with it
one thing i will say i dont know if its the detail and fine detail brushes with the yellow tips but i keep getting the two confused as its very simular colour, but thats the only possible thing i can find wrong lol i think there very good tbh
alextheartist
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Course GW, aka the baby eating corperation say that they make them lol
BPI
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Hi Shadzar, that\'s how modern manufacturing works, you outsource to a specialist firm. Apple\'s iphone\'s & HP notebooks are made by Foxconn but you won\'t find their branding without looking on the actual chips. GW brushes, handmade by W&N, aren\'t going to be branded W&N. If people don\'t like the GW brushes, they slag off GW, so how are they failing to take responsibility? Also, it\'s not stealing, it\'s commissioning/licensing a product from a 3rd party. I\'m not sure I should reply but I\'m really not sure where you\'re coming from here, unless it\'s just another jump up & down on GW rant? ??? B.
Einion
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While I think you made a good point about rebadging you\'ve gone a bit far when you use words like \"taking credit\" and worse yet, \"steal\".
You have to realise that this is common in industry - in fact it\'s practically ubiquitous these days.
Dick Blick\'s house acrylic used to be made for them by Golden but there was no acknowledgement of this on the site... for contractual reasons. Their Kolinsky brushes were made for them in Spain by the premier Spanish brushmaker; again, no mention of this and for the same reason.
In cars the bearings, engine parts - heck, even the entire engine sometimes - are made by another firm. We don\'t know about this as a rule except via specialist media.
And er,
Okay, you\'re having a bit of a rant. We get it. But let\'s try to stick to one topic!
Einion
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Shadzar
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Well relabeling it is like stealing the credit. I don\'t know a better term for it.
With green stuff as the example, many people I speak to in person, think they are actually different products, even though all green stuff is made by the same company.
It is just annoying. The company still makes its money, but only they can provide the data sheets for the chemicals in case of accidents. I thought that was a law that the actual manufacturer had to be on the label.
Not as much a problem with the brushes, but still, not all the GW blue brushes are worth using.
I haven\'t seen them make a 50/0, and should I want one of the black handled ones that is 50/0, then how do I know what company actually made them with only the GW label.
Its just an annoyance I have had for a long time, and these new brushes brought it to the top along with a few things from the grocery store, and other things with varying labels that are the same darn thing, just different company names on them.
Does it have to have GW stamped on it to be sold by them, or for them to advertise for it?
Most places do outsource, but with books you get the publisher and printing house both listed if not the same. Why cannot GW do it with their products as well? ???
For the price of the blue brushes you could get the same companies brushes in a 15 pack at Walmart for about $4.00.
It is nice if they have gone with better quality, but stop hiding the info people might need that don\'t just buy brands, and buy products instead.
Oh well, Unless they dry rot, I have still about 200 unused brushes of various sorts, so I will leave these new ones to everyone else to worry with/use/etc.
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green stuff
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What is it with you people\'s trend to collect brushes? I thought we were all here to collect minis
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BPI
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Very sensible Drengi. I\'ve been primarily using GW Blue handles for the last 18 months having relegated my random collection of art shop brushes (Jarvis is the only brand I remember). I now have some W&N No.7 which I\'ve only used a handful of times but am pleased with so far. I did used to have some brushes with quite fat triangular handles though, really nice to hold, particularly on hot days with sweaty fingers as they\'re less likely to swivel as you apply that final highlight! I might have to play with some rubber tape to just fatten up the handles on the ones I\'ve got for now though (new brush budget can wait till next year!). It\'s certainly worth playing with brands to find what you like though, rather than following conventional wisdom that might not quite match your needs.
I wondered about the colour coding on the new GWs being at the end of the handle rather than just below the ferrule with regards to them being stored in a pot (as mentioned above), but not for finding at home. My local GW used to have all of its brushes jammed into one pot & finding the size I wanted was a pain in the bum. However, the new display for the new brushes I saw on the weekend was very nice & clear (like the ones in an art shop now, little pods for each size/type).
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I wondered about the colour coding on the new GWs being at the end of the handle rather than just below the ferrule with regards to them being stored in a pot (as mentioned above), but not for finding at home. My local GW used to have all of its brushes jammed into one pot & finding the size I wanted was a pain in the bum. However, the new display for the new brushes I saw on the weekend was very nice & clear (like the ones in an art shop now, little pods for each size/type).
B.
The Artisan
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I\'ve been using the new detail brush and the base coat brush for 2 days now. They can\'t touch my Series 7 in quality but for almost half the price in cost they make an excellent alternative. My only complaint is that they have a tendency to separate from time to time when your working.
All in all I\'d say they were a worthy purchase.
All in all I\'d say they were a worthy purchase.
