Hey everyone. I am planning on entering the youngbloods comp in LA, and have a couple of minis ready to paint. I was just wondering if in your oppinion, entering a classic GW mini would not catch the judges attention as much as a fresh just released mini, or if it doesnt really matter much. Just wondering. :beer:
Golden Demon, classic or modern?
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It doesn\'t have to be a brand new release but I wouldn\'t go for the really old stuff as some of it\'s ......a bit wierd by todays standards. Then again some of them have stood the test of time rather well.
If you aren\'t going to convert it go for one of the design classics, Ikit Claw, the Nurgle palanquin, St Celestine and some of the old Space Marine captains are a few of my favourites.
Try to choose something that will show off your strengths. If you are good at freehand try getting hold of one of the ltd ed banner bearers from ebay or if you can do nmm try chaos warriors or black orcs.
There is a school of thought that judges will pick more recent and, more importantly, still available minis over oop ones in order to grab a few more sales. but don\'t let that put you off going for the oldies.
Hope that helped in some way
If you aren\'t going to convert it go for one of the design classics, Ikit Claw, the Nurgle palanquin, St Celestine and some of the old Space Marine captains are a few of my favourites.
Try to choose something that will show off your strengths. If you are good at freehand try getting hold of one of the ltd ed banner bearers from ebay or if you can do nmm try chaos warriors or black orcs.
There is a school of thought that judges will pick more recent and, more importantly, still available minis over oop ones in order to grab a few more sales. but don\'t let that put you off going for the oldies.
Hope that helped in some way
No Such Agency
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St. Celestine is \"classic\"? Get off my lawn, you damn kids!
A prize won this way isn\'t worth the brass it\'s cast from. I really hope this is just a rumour.
lizcam
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I\'m planning on entering a REALLY old ogre (circa 1985). I\'m painting him similar to my TT entry
http://www.coolminiornot.com/164468
It\'s my 1st Games Day so I don\'t know if I\'m making a mistake but good painting is good painting and if you get low balled because of the age so will I and probably more so. I have to agree with NSA on this one.
I\'m also entering a clansman from the same time period. Those old guys may be a bit static in pose but they have a fun character to them. This one reminds me of Groundkeeper Willie from the Simpsons.
http://www.coolminiornot.com/164468
It\'s my 1st Games Day so I don\'t know if I\'m making a mistake but good painting is good painting and if you get low balled because of the age so will I and probably more so. I have to agree with NSA on this one.
I\'m also entering a clansman from the same time period. Those old guys may be a bit static in pose but they have a fun character to them. This one reminds me of Groundkeeper Willie from the Simpsons.
darthfoley
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Kep won with some classic pieces a couple years ago in Atlanta. I have tinkered with the idea of an all-classic model Open entry but never quite seem to get around to it.
seriously, THE BEST advice, i have, besides \"Paint good\" is paint something that is being promoted right now, or will be promoted in the next few months. What did Alexiz just win slayer with? Dark angel, which just happens to be a range that is being pushed. What did I win gold with last year? a black templar model, and what was the slayer sword that year? a black templar retinue of brand new characters.
I urge you, paint something new, because its in the interest of GW to print pictures of your winning model if they are also trying to get people to BUY that kind of model.
I urge you, paint something new, because its in the interest of GW to print pictures of your winning model if they are also trying to get people to BUY that kind of model.
first off, since you are enterin\' in the youngbloods this year, the choice of mini is not as important as some of the other categories... there is also not really an emphasis on conversion, so you are good with an old school mini...youngbloods is probably the only category that is still a pure paintin\' contest... keep your paints thin, and colors smooth...don\'t worry as much about highlights, concentrate more on clean paintin\' and nice deep shadows, with minimal highlights...try a little freehand to catch the eye, and you\'re in...
as for the whole thing about newer minis bein\' on the judges mind, i have found this to be true...after years of tryin\'(and only walkin\' away with one demon), i\'ve come to the conclusion that there is a definite formula to the judgin\' criteria...i think i have it sorted...we\'ll see next time...it kills to me watch the judgin\' and see my minis put away last when the final selection is made...this has happened to me 5 or 6 times, and there is no prize for the first loser!!! one of my minis that didn\'t win was even published in the catalogue this year, so i know that the judges liked the result, but it was only slighly converted, and was not a new release that year...
one great example of missin\' out on the judge\'s criteria...a few years ago in l.a., i entered a captain stern in the single mini category...he was painted in a grey tone(as he\'s a grey knight), lovingly highlighted...crisp clean detail...wicked greek keypattern freehand...even a renaissance cherub holdin\' a snake on his little shield(inspired by an old john blanche piece)...very atmospheric...when he got put away last, my homeboy asked jes goodwin why he didn\'t select my mini for a trophy, and all he had to say was, \"grey knights are gunmetal steel, not grey\"...so why aren\'t they called gunmetal knights???
cheers
jah
as for the whole thing about newer minis bein\' on the judges mind, i have found this to be true...after years of tryin\'(and only walkin\' away with one demon), i\'ve come to the conclusion that there is a definite formula to the judgin\' criteria...i think i have it sorted...we\'ll see next time...it kills to me watch the judgin\' and see my minis put away last when the final selection is made...this has happened to me 5 or 6 times, and there is no prize for the first loser!!! one of my minis that didn\'t win was even published in the catalogue this year, so i know that the judges liked the result, but it was only slighly converted, and was not a new release that year...
one great example of missin\' out on the judge\'s criteria...a few years ago in l.a., i entered a captain stern in the single mini category...he was painted in a grey tone(as he\'s a grey knight), lovingly highlighted...crisp clean detail...wicked greek keypattern freehand...even a renaissance cherub holdin\' a snake on his little shield(inspired by an old john blanche piece)...very atmospheric...when he got put away last, my homeboy asked jes goodwin why he didn\'t select my mini for a trophy, and all he had to say was, \"grey knights are gunmetal steel, not grey\"...so why aren\'t they called gunmetal knights???
cheers
jah
EldinTux
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You know all this talk really worries me. I\'m entering GD-UK for the first time this year. I have decided to enter a fairly recent dragon ogre, but with little conversion. My main pull will be a tiger stripe colour scheme. But I had considered some excellent figures I bought back in the 70\'s. Why should we have to use newer mini\'s & convert them? Aren\'t GW\'s figures always been good? Aren\'t their latest releases good enough? Do we have to make them better by conversion?
Sorry for the rant but it annoys me, I think of myself as a painter not a model converter and would liked to be judged as such.
So I\'ll stick to my guns & carry on & see where the judges put me
Sorry for the rant but it annoys me, I think of myself as a painter not a model converter and would liked to be judged as such.
So I\'ll stick to my guns & carry on & see where the judges put me
Why not cover both bases and enter old school and current models?
Some of the old school stuff has real nostalgic value for me:
http://www.coolminiornot.com/160098
Some of the new figsf are too good to resist!
http://www.coolminiornot.com/160096
http://www.coolminiornot.com/160097
Paint what you like and not what you think the judges will favour :idea:
Some of the old school stuff has real nostalgic value for me:
http://www.coolminiornot.com/160098
Some of the new figsf are too good to resist!
http://www.coolminiornot.com/160096
http://www.coolminiornot.com/160097
Paint what you like and not what you think the judges will favour :idea:
Nah I said she was a DESIGN classic. One of those minis that will stay with us when the current range disappears.
I suppose I was just fishing for minis that look good lol
And as for the other I was talking to one of the judges at a GW event which I won\'t name and he let it slip that they had been asked to weight their judging with a bias for stuff that displayed \"commercial incentive\" i.e minis that would make people want to rush out and by one after seeing it win. He claimed he wasn\'t going to vote that way but sure enough it was an expensive and relatively new character which won.
Edit: If you do go for a classic make sure its from a range that\'s still going. NO Squats, Zoats or Chaos Dwarfs. It also helps if GW still have the rights to it, I\'d laugh my arse off if someone placed with a Judge Dread mini lol
Yes, run into this kind of logic too on some occasion. The argument was the piece was not \"warhammery\" enough. Obviously, this is the best way to kill any entry in favor of any other by, for example saying that the only true warhammery piece should be painted as recommended by heavy metal team. We, are not there yet, fortunately, but we (at least in US) are going this direction.
generulpoleaxe
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from what i understand, it\'s not as bad in tye us as it is in the uk.
in the uk, they have stated in white dwarf that they won\'t entertain oop (classic section) minis.
new miniatures will always do better if you compare it to an older miniature painted to a simular standard.
the only categorie that seems to be different is lotr, which seems to have half a dozen miniatures which win regulary.
at the end of the day, paint what you want, you will enjoy it more.
besides, the best painted and converted models don\'t always win.
as evidence has proven in previous years at various gd\'s.
in the uk, they have stated in white dwarf that they won\'t entertain oop (classic section) minis.
new miniatures will always do better if you compare it to an older miniature painted to a simular standard.
the only categorie that seems to be different is lotr, which seems to have half a dozen miniatures which win regulary.
at the end of the day, paint what you want, you will enjoy it more.
besides, the best painted and converted models don\'t always win.
as evidence has proven in previous years at various gd\'s.
lizcam
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If this is all true then what the hell am I entering for? Just so I can be used as some advertising monkey? And I don\'t DO conversions very well so I won\'t stand a chance in hell!
I understand the thinking behind it, but I wasn\'t sure I was up to this competition the year anyway, just entering to be sociable really. But if I\'m going to pay all that $ for the entry fees (I normally go to conventions just to go to the dealer rooms), paint my a$$ off for 4 weeks straight just to get something ready just to have it nodded over and taken off the table because it\'s not \"new enough\" or \"not converted enough\" then what\'s the point?
Why can\'t you just go to a painting competition and win on painting? Is there a competition left out there like that? I don\'t want to have to \"paint in the current style\" or \"paint the most recent mini\" or \"convert it\" unless that\'s what I want to do!
Sorry. Didn\'t mean to rant. It\'s been a rough week and I don\'t like rules at the best of times. GW seems to have a lot of them. That\'s probably why I don\'t play any of thier games. I\'ll stick with good old GURPS. And paint whatever I damn well please. So there!
And I\'ve put this much work into something. I\'ll enter it but I don\'t have to like it!
I understand the thinking behind it, but I wasn\'t sure I was up to this competition the year anyway, just entering to be sociable really. But if I\'m going to pay all that $ for the entry fees (I normally go to conventions just to go to the dealer rooms), paint my a$$ off for 4 weeks straight just to get something ready just to have it nodded over and taken off the table because it\'s not \"new enough\" or \"not converted enough\" then what\'s the point?
Why can\'t you just go to a painting competition and win on painting? Is there a competition left out there like that? I don\'t want to have to \"paint in the current style\" or \"paint the most recent mini\" or \"convert it\" unless that\'s what I want to do!
Sorry. Didn\'t mean to rant. It\'s been a rough week and I don\'t like rules at the best of times. GW seems to have a lot of them. That\'s probably why I don\'t play any of thier games. I\'ll stick with good old GURPS. And paint whatever I damn well please. So there!
And I\'ve put this much work into something. I\'ll enter it but I don\'t have to like it!
Roger Bunting
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I guess you\'ll have to just keep the thought about this time going for the social aspect and getting to see some great mini, and not focus on whether it\'s part of their sales plan.
On another note, I\'ve played lots of different RPGs but I have played GURPS the most frequently. Started with Autoduel which was in part due to the fact we played Car Wars.
Edit: I\'m sure there must be competitions that don\'t care how old the mini is or whatever. I\'ve never entered one so I can\'t really say.
On another note, I\'ve played lots of different RPGs but I have played GURPS the most frequently. Started with Autoduel which was in part due to the fact we played Car Wars.
Edit: I\'m sure there must be competitions that don\'t care how old the mini is or whatever. I\'ve never entered one so I can\'t really say.
generulpoleaxe
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euro militaire (they have fantasy categories as well now) and the mixed ravage open (think i got the name right) are competitions that use the open judging system (just like flower shows) so it not the mini, it\'s what you have done to it.
conversions and complete sculpts have seperate categories, so if your skills are stronger in painting then you can enter a categorie that suits you.
your also being graded on a standard, so your competing with yourself and not hoping to be one of the lucky three within your categorie.
don\'t feel down hearted, i\'m still going to gd uk this year with the intention of meeting up with painters and having a damn good chat with them.
conversions and complete sculpts have seperate categories, so if your skills are stronger in painting then you can enter a categorie that suits you.
your also being graded on a standard, so your competing with yourself and not hoping to be one of the lucky three within your categorie.
don\'t feel down hearted, i\'m still going to gd uk this year with the intention of meeting up with painters and having a damn good chat with them.
It is probably not entirely true, and my statistics is limited, but based on several last GDs in US and my limited personal experience I have a feeling that 1) classic painting scheme is preferred to anything else 2) newer minies are liked more then the old once.
Of cause there will be a number of people who will point out wining entries that were not painted as \"recommended\" by GW but if you look at average number GW approved vs \"original\" schemes, approved are in absolute majority.
Hmm. I dunno, but I seem to recall quite clearly that I once read in a white dwarf article about tips for golden demon entries that you should NOT pick the latest release, the argument being that \"even though it was just released the judges and GW people will have seen it around a lot for a long time\". Something like that.
Of course, it would hardly be the first time GW contradicts themselves...
Of course, it would hardly be the first time GW contradicts themselves...
