Fluff vrs Flash

Dragonsreach

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Originally posted by freakinacage
i think that bezerker is as khornate as they come - dark, red and gold, angry (almost bezerk, you might say!). love his face.

also that hot lead daemion prince is lovely

as for my views, i like them to be different and preferably in line with the fluff. but it\'s not the be all and end all. after all it\'s science FICTION.
Nope It\'s just fiction! Some of it is good, some of it is bad, and some is just B****y dire. There\'s very little \'Science\' in it at all.

The main needs to know the \"Fluff\" are two fold:
One: to make sure your army is \'Game Legal\' in tournament.
Secondly: To make sure that if you are painting for Golden Deamon competitions that some over enthuisiatic Games (W) lawyer doesn\'t disqualify you for a minor infringement.
 

vincegamer

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Originally posted by DragonsreachThe main needs to know the \"Fluff\" are two fold:
One: to make sure your army is \'Game Legal\' in tournament.
So, Mike, how can painting your army the way you want make it game illegal? Or are you just saying certain weapon types don\'t go with certain squads? Couldn\'t you do just about anything within the game rules though as long as you don\'t say you are using a pre-ordained chapter?

(of course I\'m mixing fantasy and 40k, but then the 2 pics in this thread seem to come one from each)
 

GraveRobber

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No, I dont think its ilegal to paint them another color, but tourny wise they have a strict rule \"what you see is what you get\" on the army, this is mostly done to not create confusion with players and to make sure the army is fair and legal.

Example, World Eaters thesmelves and playing a pure WE force, they are ALL berzekrs, but if you play undivited chaos ( not color or god restricted ) they can include berzerks that may not be worshiping khorne only, in fact the official paintjob on those ones are black with red helmets. However when it comes to weapons berzekrs traditionaly carry khornate chainweapons ( but prefer chainaxes ) and bolt pistols and plasma pistols, its not to say they would never use big big guns but its just part of their theme and background...the army plays as crazed frenzied madman who are sick close combat specialists, they rush the enemy and rip them 20 new Aholes.

There is plent of original things you can still do, like giving them black gaunlets, mixing the paint patterns on their armor to give them variety, tons of converion options since they are mostly all plastic in fairly dynamic poses already.

The truth is tho, painting khorne models, unless of course for the sake of just painting them and not using them in games dif colors then their codex, is lame and laughable.

Would you paint a vietnam historical soldier purple and pink ? thought not unless its for a joke.
 

Dr Death

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Thought id give my own thoughts (is replying to your own post pretencious?)

To my mind the background is vitally important, i am a notoriously undisciplined painter. Its not that i dont enjoy it or that painting is in any way a chore its just i have trouble sustaining the concentration on one mini to take it from start to finish at the quality i work so hard to acheive.

In these situations its the fluff that carries me through. I will sit there giving a running commentary on quite what the model i am painting is, where they stand in the chain of command, the heritage of their armour, the lot. GW\'s background appeals to me, the stuff written for 40k cannot be called original but it is compelling! Painting a model with inappropriote techniques would bore me. I far prefer rationalising out quite what any part of the model would look like in real life and then attempting to paint it.

Anyone else find this?

Dr Death
 

Spacemunkie

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Originally posted by GraveRobber
The truth is tho, painting khorne models, unless of course for the sake of just painting them and not using them in games dif colors then their codex, is lame and laughable.

IN YOUR OPINION! And only if you buy into GW BS!! I could quite easily see reason to paint berserkers shades of deep purple/maroon, brown, orange or black, and for it to still \'fit in\' with so called \'fluff\'.

It\'s called using ones imagination I think...:D
 

Duende

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So is this solely about GW fluff and stuff? I like it when any minis I get have some kind of \"backstory\" or history to them. Especially when it leaves paintjobs open to interpretations, as in Dark Age\'s Dragyri figures, not only are they great sculpts (by the great Werner Klocke, no less) but their fluff reads \"and they seem to possess unlimited variation in coloring. Many Xenologists theorize that the area in which they make their homes influences their coloration, but this theory is unsupported by solid fact.\"
I think this is great because it doesn\'t limit painters to any particular color scheme. That\'s why I don\'t like a lot of GW\'s stuff, if it\'s not painted \"just so\" then it not Khorne, or Tzeentch, or whatever...

Any thoughts in this area?
 
Keep in mind everyone that Khone is the absolute extreme of GW\'s, It has to be this colour no question syndrome. Most GW stuff you can be painted whatever the hell colour you want and still fit in perfectly with the fluff.
 

GraveRobber

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Originally posted by WurzagUdUraZahuba
Keep in mind everyone that Khone is the absolute extreme of GW\'s, It has to be this colour no question syndrome. Most GW stuff you can be painted whatever the hell colour you want and still fit in perfectly with the fluff.

Mmmm no, I would say ( under 40k ) Ultramarines or Imperial Guard would be, at least under strict uniform colors that is.

Like I said there is alot of painting options you can do with World Eaters, just their primary colors are deep red, black and brass ( not gold which even GW deviates from with alot of the EM paintjobs although I believe this is due to \"ad\" related looks and the lack of shading options with brass itself ) a good example would be instead of painting their whole suit in red, you could take an area like their shin plating, paint that brass or black and do scroll work with red in the shape of mini skulls or whatnot, which would be very challenging and look pretty cool I think.

Tzeench, Nurgle ( especialy ) and Slaanesh do not follow the more extreme \"themed\" look that khorne worshipers do, you are right, If I was doing a noise marine squad I could go all out with gaudy sick multiple colors one each and scroll work and gems and whatnot, even colored metalics, it would fit emperors children very well, and with nurgle god the painting options are endless...so you see they are not as strict as some people like to think, it really comes down too what army or god or theme you are going for here.

The Inquisitor range and gams have a huge wealth of conversion and painting options, there is literly no \"official\" paint scheme for them, other then say the deathwatch but thats a dif topic and they hardly even get used in the games and are cosidered overpowerd as all hell.

I think for the most part Warhammer Fanstasy Battle has the largest area for imagination and no set color scheme other then green for orc skin but thats all trivial, even the empire as stated in the book, they dont have to paint even their uniform the state color, they could opt to paint a few blue lines on their feather the state color and you could then paint their armor any color you wish.

Warhammer 40k on the other hand, with its heavy use of space marines has a more stricter color scheme for the OFFICIAL chapters, but there are plenty of chapters that dont exist officialy ( both loyalist and undivided chaos ) which is perfectly legal to create and paint as you like.

I think some people are just having issues accepting that some \"official\" backgrounds and colors schemes are not to their liking, which is fine but just dont try to tell me a purple or pink berzerker model with a yellow bolter or missile launcher is a world eater, cause im just gonna laugh.
 

GraveRobber

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Originally posted by Spacemunkie
Originally posted by GraveRobber
The truth is tho, painting khorne models, unless of course for the sake of just painting them and not using them in games dif colors then their codex, is lame and laughable.

IN YOUR OPINION! And only if you buy into GW BS!! I could quite easily see reason to paint berserkers shades of deep purple/maroon, brown, orange or black, and for it to still \'fit in\' with so called \'fluff\'.

It\'s called using ones imagination I think...:D

Please enlighten me as to why \"pre made god specific\" chapters and game background are \"bs\", so by this reasoning, all historical soldier models should be painted in any color you wish if you are trying too keep them historicly accurate ?, maybe alot of WWII troops all wore red cammo uniforms by this logic.

Would be alot easier if you just said \"I dislike pre made armies from GW games and prefer to use my imagination and create my own to do something dif\" there I said it for you :bouncy:

Also I would love to hear exactly why it would be \"flufly\" and perfectly ok to paint them in these colors you mentioned, since you saying it would fit, I would really love to hear it, this of course if you are playing a pure world eaters force, which also includes keeping with their color scheme and weapons guidlines.
 
I think we just need to agree to disagree on this one. Spacemunkies, left wing, all fluff is BS attitiude is probably not the opinion shared by most people, However Graverobbers, right wing, official GW colour scheme dictatorship, is clearly not the way to go and quite frakly, not much fun in my opinion.

Spacemunkie, Graverobber, shake hands and make up.:p
 

QuietiManes

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His minis weren\'t \'realistic\'. Apparently they were just shitly painted...

Oh yes, I\'m quite familiar with him. He posted regularily on the GW boards for a good long while before he started posting here.
 

Spacemunkie

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Historical minis have buggerall to do with GW stuff......:moon:

I said that browns, purples and oranges would all make viable colours for berserkers. They\'re all bloody, rusty, congealed, bruised and pretty angry colours.... Why not???

No need to make up - I haven\'t fallen out with anyone (you should know by now that I like a good arguement, especially with fanboys......:D)
 
Originally posted by Spacemunkie

No need to make up - I haven\'t fallen out with anyone (you should know by now that I like a good arguement, especially with fanboys......:D)

I know. I was just being a smart ass. Hence the :p smiley. I wasn\'t trying to play moderator or anything. We really do need a smart ass smiley.
 
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