Working with WotC Plastics

Sir Wulf

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I've been searching for information about painting old WotC plastic minis: They're still plentiful, some common ones can be found cheaply, and I already have quite a few that would look much better with a quick tabletop-quality paint job. They might not ever be top-notch, but they aren't anywhere near their potential.

So far I've found several threads discussing how to strip and paint them. http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums...able-Crud-What-To-Do&highlight=stripping+wotc includes the same information found in several other places.

To summarize what I've found:

To strip them, pick up acetone from a hardware store (the pure, nasty stuff). This will eventually attack the figures' plastic, but the paint can be removed by gently wiping it with an acetone-soaked cotton pad, such as those used to remove makeup. Avoid scrubbing the surface, which can abrade the details.

Some color is painted into the mold and soaks into the mini's plastic/vinyl surface. This cannot be removed practically and doesn't really need to be. If the paint isn't obscuring the details, primer over it.

Green stuff (epoxy putty) can be successfully used to modify the minis. Some other materials are too brittle, cracking when placed on the flexible plastic.

The plastic/vinyl does not react well with some paints and sealers. Some people reported good results with Testor's and poor results from Krylon. The Krylon sealer did not dry properly, remaining tacky afterward.

I have some questions for people who have sucessfully worked with these minis:

1.) How can warped or bent appendages be convinced to remain straight? I have some minis which wouly look much better if their weapons weren't determined to bend back every time I straighten them.

2.) What paints adhere best for these minis? I'm a gamer more than a collector and want my figures to look good even after some use.

3.) What glues are best used when modifying these minis? I've noticed that some materials just don't hold up.

4.) Do you have any suggestions for rebasing them? I'd like to put some minis onto better bases, but I'm not sure they'd hold up when transported or used for gaming.
 
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Einion

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Just on the stripping front: Castrol Super Clean would be a safer way to remove the paint from these if you can get it locally.

Einion
 

Shadowmist

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Try some heat

Hi man,

I've had some pretty good results using a blowtorch type lighter to heat the bent parts a little, and then rubberbanding / bracing the parts straight with whatever you can find. Works surprisingly well.
Just dont overheat them.

I've actually done even some re-postures from some of them, like the ettin jack of irons and the balor. opened his wings and such. Try it out, but be gentle.

Oh, and for the bases, just use watered down pva, sand and other basing / paint after that. Some bases require some heat first though. =)
 
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jcichon

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As for stripping, I use walmart brand oven cleaner. Works really good. On tough paints that dont want to come off, use goo gone extreme. The stuff is waesome but dont let it sit on the figure for more than a couple of minutes. For straighten a piece just let it sit in warm warm water and you basically have to coax it very gently into the desired shape then shock it with ice cold water
 

Sir Wulf

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Thanks for the info!

Is there an effective way to cement the stuff back together if I cut and reassemble a piece?
 

jcichon

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Thanks for the info!

Is there an effective way to cement the stuff back together if I cut and reassemble a piece?
Depends on the size of the two pieces. If they are a decent size be sure to pin them as the cement bond is its weakest link. Have some sculpting putty or green stuff handy to fill in areas as needed but attaching plastic is as easy or as hard as resin or metal. Just have a good seam to work from
 

Shady Character

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Some of the other ways to strip them mentioned in this thread might be better but I will only comment on the acetone as I have used that one myself.

It works good. I was able to remove the rather thick paint and discover there is some half decent detail under it. It will make your mini rubbery which may persist for several weeks but it will eventually harden up. Unfortunately, it can't really be reused to resposition them. I had no luck with repositioning but then, I only made a token attempt. It might actually be possible if you brace it or something. In my experience a source of heat tends to melt surface detail (as you would expect) before it lets you reposition a limb. Cutting and greenstuff would be my suggestion. GS's flexibility as you mentioned is perfect as the plastic will always have a bit of give itself.

I used GW paints and never had an issue with them sticking, and that wasn't even using a proper primer (only chaos black).

Curious, what flavour of WotC minis do you have in mind? I painted and modified the Star Wars ones.
 
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Einion

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Is there an effective way to cement the stuff back together if I cut and reassemble a piece?
A liquid paint stipper or brush restorer might do it. They're a mix of solvents so can often be an effective dissolver of a range of plastics and can be used as a 'plastic weld'. This'll probably only work right for neat joins where there's a lot of mating surface. Otherwise I'd pin and use GS to fill any gaps, as already recommended.

Einion
 

Sir Wulf

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My initial efforts started with cleaners I had around the house or found at the supermarket. I took some recently purchased WotC miniatures (4th Edition D&D era) and one "debased" WizKids Mage-Knight mini and plunked them into various chemicals:

72 hours in a plastic bag, soaking in WalMart's most vile oven cleaner (Active Ingredient: Lye) produced some discoloration of the figures' flesh tones and seemed to remove a bit of black paint. The other colors were unaffected.

72 hours in Pine-Sol (Active Ingredients: 8% pine oil and alkyl alcohol ethoxylates): No visible effect.

8 hours in white vinegar: No visible effect.

Last night, I placed the figures in Simple Green. As of this morning, the cleaner had no visible effect. They are still soaking.
 

Einion

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Interesting! Thanks for the update. I'm not at all surprised about the vinegar, quite surprised by the lack of effect with oven cleaner and Pine-Sol though.

Einion
 

Sir Wulf

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I mistakenly picked up a bottle of "Goo Gone Spray Gel", which apparently isn't the same stuff. Right now, the minis are starting on day two of a Simple Green bath, with no sign of the paint coming off yet. A little toothbrush scrubbing showed no significant progress.

The paint on this particular batch of minis certainly makes up in tenacity for what it lacks in skillful application.
 
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