WIP - Hive Tyrant + Bloodthirster Dual, and Tzeenth Landraider, and seperate Blood Thirster, oh and

Djonma

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WIP - Hive Tyrant + Bloodthirster Dual, and Tzeenth Landraider, and seperate Blood Thirster, oh and

I wasn\'t sure if I should put these in seperate threads, so I thought I\'d just put them together. Not sure of the etiquette of seperate WIP threads for different armies.

These aren\'t actually for armies as such - I might use them in an army one day, but at the moment I\'m more trying to paint to get better, and convert to get better, since to be honest, I\'ve not really done that much of either, and I haven\'t done any painting for a long time, so I\'m very rusty.
So these are kind of showcase pieces, to try and set a good standard and do my best.
Rather than army stuff that wouldn\'t be as good necessarily.
Actually.. that\'s why I don\'t have an army anymore, because I try to paint each piece perfectly hehe.

Anyway.

Here\'s what I have so far - the Tyrant is going to be bone bodied with dark red carapace and a very light bluey green patterning on the carapace and orange patterning too.
Difficult to explain, not 100% fixed in my mind, just a kind of feeling of what it\'ll be. So obviously you\'ll see it as it happens.

I decided on bone because I wanted the really dark velvety red carapace, and bone goes well with that, and also because I cannot paint bone to save my life.
At all.
For some weird reason I have this major block when it comes to bone.
So I decided I was going to be evil to myself and make myself paint bone on a piece I really want to do well on, so that I HAD to learn to paint bone, and paint it vaguely well to make it keep with the standard of the rest of the piece.
If that makes sense...

I\'ve only done the bone bits so far, and they\'re not finished at all.

The Tyrant will be ripping a Bloodthirster in half, since GW kindly supply two bloodthirster heads and bodies in their box, I thought I\'d put the spares to good use.
So the Tyrant will be all big clawy things, and have a bloodthirster head in one \'hand\' and the torso in the other. Since there aren\'t spare arms I\'m going to have a go at modelling the beginnings of them, they\'ll have been ripped off mostly, so it won\'t be full arm modelling. Also, I\'ll need to take off the bottom of the back / stomach and have a spine coming out, etc, to make it look cool.

I\'ve not done much modelling at all, and I\'ve set myself a bit of a challenge, but that\'s kind of the point here.

The landraider... well I want a Tzeentch landraider, and I find the bits at the front on either side going down into the kind of almost triangle, lend themselves very well to a Lord of Change head and beak.
So I want to paint a Lord of Change on either side - the head and beak extending down into the front of the track side armour, and then his neck going down to shoulders in the front door really, and wings spreading out across the back door and beyond.
With the staff on the inner arm, so it doesn\'t obscure the face by having it on the outer arm, raised up to the top of the armour.

Now, that\'s a heck of a step up from my previous painting levels.
I\'ve only just started taking mould lines off things!! (I know, terrible!)
I really want to improve my painting and get myself to a really good standard.
I have a lot of time on my hands (disabled and can\'t work), but I can\'t always paint as a result of my health - like today, I painted a couple of layers onto the bone on the nid, but then my wrist and thumb are dislocated badly now, so I can\'t paint any more this evening, and maybe not for a couple of days to not aggravate it.

I kind of want to do a cloud around the Lord of Change on the Landraider.
Like a nebula type cloud. Since the raider itself will be a dark night sky type bluey-purple.
I think that\'d fit really well.
I might actually do a star pattern on the raider, and do a Tzeentch sorcerer army with the sorcerer having a proper night sky starry cloak.
I like that idea.

Please tell me it isn\'t too corny?

On the front door where the imperial eagle was, I\'m planning on a built up mark of Tzeentch, where the top of it is a Lord of Change type head. (I just read Realms of Chaos: Lost and the Damned again, and the artwork in there for Chaos things is lovely. I\'ve had some amazing ideas just from that artwork for army stuff!).

I\'m not sure what to do on the top of the landraider yet. There isn\'t that much flat surface to work with, and I\'m also worried about overdoing it.
I might just do the two Lords of Change, and the mark on the front, and then see what it looks like.
There are a couple of bits of artwork I love the idea of doing a mini version of from Realms of Chaos, but still unsure. I think I\'d need to see what it looks like when it\'s mostly done first.

All I\'ve done on this so far is prime black. But I\'ve got some photos as I want some opinions / advice on some bits on it.

OK Bloodthirster: Just a straight, ordinary bloodthirster. Nothing special.
There\'s a backstory to this though. I painted a Bloodthirster for my bf\'s Wordbearers.
I did it pretty much the night before he had to go to GT Heat.
It was the best painting I\'ve ever done.
And then the superglue we had was from a bad batch and wouldn\'t stick at all.
And all the edges around the joints ended up white from trying superglue again and again.
We didn\'t have any greenstuff and so we had to stick to the superglue even with pinning it wouldn\'t stay together, cos it was last thing at night.
It wrecked it totally.
I was so gutted about it, because it was the best thing I\'d ever painted, and I was so happy with it before we tried to assemble it.

So I want to do it again, but improve on it, and just paint a bloodthirster. No conversions, no nothing.
Just a Bloodthirster.
And just paint it well.

All I\'ve done with this so far is start removing mould lines and flash, so no pics yet.


Lord of Nurgle!
Conversion-tastic!
Teaching myself to model properly. I\'m planning to re-make the horse pretty much completely, and having him rearing up, and instead of just holding the scythe up, have it in both hands, and down to the left, like he\'s really reaping those souls.
I love the agressive motion feel you can get with a scythe, and with a rearing horse, it would look so fab (well it does in my head!!).
So... no pics of that yet. I\'ve started de-flashing and de-mould lining the model, but I don\'t think I can even use the back legs of the horse, I\'m not sure. And I\'m not sure I have all the bits anymore as I just moved and everything\'s in boxes!

I guess 4 big models is enough for one thread.
Am I allowed to open another thread for other projects? I\'ve got 2 other major projects that will take me at least a year I reckon but I\'ll be doing them alongside things. I like to do multiple things together or I get horribly bored of the colour scheme.
I painted a lot of my bf\'s blood angels... and then word bearers.. I couldn\'t paint red for a long time after that!!


So onto the pics, sorry for such a long introduction to them!
I guess I waffled a lot!

So; Nid pics:

(Still working out how to use the camera really, and with the dislocated wrist, the shake was pretty bad using it. Also I need to construct a light box type thingie to take pics in! So apologies for quality!)

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Very annoyingly on this the paint is starting to come off already. I prefer painting metal to plastic, but I get this all the time.
I know the best way is to pin and stick it in some cork or polystyrene. Nothing comes with polystyrene anymore because of environmental issues, but my bf is taking me to B&Q sometime next week so hopefully we can pick up some cork or something. Anyone been to B&Q for that kind of thing?

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They need another wash I think and then bone painting and then highlight I think.
But I can\'t paint bone... so... any advice, opinions, tips?

Landraider:

It\'s just primed black so I won\'t waste space.
But here are the removed imperial eagle from the top door at the front, and the Imperial I\'s with skulls from the sides:

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The last is definitely the worst. I\'ve not taken enough off.

For the door on the front, it\'ll be fine as I\'m sticking a relief Mark of Tzeentch over the top.
However, the other two...
How can I get them smooth in line with the rest of the side armour?
Take off more and then use a tiny, tiny bit of grenstuff / milliput?
I\'m really scared of ending up with a bump if I do that.
Any advice?

So there you go.
Finally, a WIP post!

I\'m very tempted to give the landraider a coat of midnight blue now, but I know I need to get those removed signs sorted out first, and my wrist / thumb are still dislocated, so I should not paint.
I\'ll only make it so much worse if I paint with it bad, but the temptation to paint is so strong!

Nicola
 

Djonma

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Umm... argh.
How do I do pics? That\'s the pic code from Flickr...
It works on my journal...

I just had a quick look through the forums to see if there was a sticky explaining forum-specific code, but couldn\'t find anything.

Heeeelp!

(I am now on strong pain meds for my wrist / thumb so if I\'ve totally missed something obvious, blame that!!)

Nicola
 

Joek

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type [\"img\"] bung in the http:// address and the type in [\"/img\"] - but without the \" s!
 

Joek

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Not sure what the picture is though - I grabbed what I could through the hideous amount of code ;)
 

Djonma

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OK pics are there now, thanks so much Joek!

Two comments - first, I found that using the sandpaper attachment to the drill without it being in the drill helped more on those bits I took off the landraider. So sandpaper is on the shopping list for B&Q this week.
But it still isn\'t perfectly smooth, so advice still gratefully accepted!

And I\'m not happy with the paint on the bone.
Not my style, so much, the actual paint.
I have hated foundation paints since they came out, except Lyanden since that seemed to go ok.
I was told Deneb Stone went on quite nicely.
So I put some in my initial bone basecoat mix, and so it\'s gone into all of the stages. I think it\'s totally messed up the paint and I\'m quite dissapointed. It looks in bits like I have too much paint in my mix of paint/water, when actually, I\'m having to constantly put a bit more paint in as I water down tons and have to coat so many more times.
I think this is the foundation and I don\'t like it.

Also, my blending / shading doesn\'t seem good. It\'s a bone thing though - I can blend and shade on other colours, just not bone... bone is my \'big problem\'!

Nicola
 

Amazon warrior

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Originally posted by Djonma
OK pics are there now, thanks so much Joek!

Two comments - first, I found that using the sandpaper attachment to the drill without it being in the drill helped more on those bits I took off the landraider. So sandpaper is on the shopping list for B&Q this week.
But it still isn\'t perfectly smooth, so advice still gratefully accepted!

Yup, it\'s whatever works in this business! Try the sandpaper and see how you go with it. You can also mix milliput with a little water to make a paste, \"paint\" it onto the offending area, then sand it down smooth once it\'s cured. (I\'ve only used Magic Sculp for doing this myself, but I am assured that milliput works too.)

And I\'m not happy with the paint on the bone.
Not my style, so much, the actual paint.
I have hated foundation paints since they came out, except Lyanden since that seemed to go ok.
I was told Deneb Stone went on quite nicely.
So I put some in my initial bone basecoat mix, and so it\'s gone into all of the stages. I think it\'s totally messed up the paint and I\'m quite dissapointed. It looks in bits like I have too much paint in my mix of paint/water, when actually, I\'m having to constantly put a bit more paint in as I water down tons and have to coat so many more times.
I think this is the foundation and I don\'t like it.

I think I can see what you mean, but I also don\'t think it\'s as bad as you fear. The photos are very close up and that always has a habit of showing everything up! Regarding the foundation paints, they are different to the usual GW paint in that they\'ve been designed to cover over black primer in pretty much one swipe, and I understand they have quite a different ratio of pigment, liquid colour and binder. All this means that you could certainly be surprised by their behaviour. It\'s up to you whether you want to keep using them or not, it\'s different strokes for different folks!

Also, my blending / shading doesn\'t seem good. It\'s a bone thing though - I can blend and shade on other colours, just not bone... bone is my \'big problem\'!

I\'ve seen people have get a good bone effect by using Graveyard Earth as a basecoat, but I think you\'re quite well past that stage, although it might be useful for some shading. You mentioned in your first post that you\'re going to give the areas a wash, and I think that\'ll make a big difference. Have you tried getting different degrees of brownish and yellowish in different areas? Careful spot-washes of subtly varying colours can make something look more \"real\". As for the highlighting, whitish/light colours are a pain in the wotzit! All I can suggest is that you keep your colour steps gradual and your layers thin. An occasional wash in between layers can help to smooth and harmonise things too. There\'s a (possibly) useful tutorial on a skeleton that you might find helpful: link. It\'s for creating a moon-lit effect and uses the foundation paints, but you should be able to adapt something from it.

Nicola
Re starting a new thread: Feel free! We\'re not overly fussy round here and what people do tends to depend on the person. Some people like one thread for everything, others have one thread per project.
 

Djonma

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Hmm the one on that skellie is very black / white. I\'m definitely going for more brown.
It might just be the pics / lighting though.
I have pulled out the graveyard earth though and will see how things go in the next few coats of paint.
I\'m definitely planning on layering depth into it next, so the graveyard earth could be helpful with that.
Hoperfully my layering and blending on these layers will be a bit better, and I\'ll make sure to take my time, rather than rushing a bit, which I think I\'ve done up til now.

Might have a bit of a go at a couple of layers in a bit. Depends on how my wrist feels. Also, I have a massive temptation to jump onto something else I\'m kinda working on!

Nicola


Unfortunately we\'ve not been to B&Q yet, so I still don\'t have fine sandpaper
 

Amazon warrior

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Originally posted by Djonma
Hmm the one on that skellie is very black / white. I\'m definitely going for more brown.
It might just be the pics / lighting though.
I have pulled out the graveyard earth though and will see how things go in the next few coats of paint.
I\'m definitely planning on layering depth into it next, so the graveyard earth could be helpful with that.
Hoperfully my layering and blending on these layers will be a bit better, and I\'ll make sure to take my time, rather than rushing a bit, which I think I\'ve done up til now.

Might have a bit of a go at a couple of layers in a bit. Depends on how my wrist feels. Also, I have a massive temptation to jump onto something else I\'m kinda working on!

Nicola


Unfortunately we\'ve not been to B&Q yet, so I still don\'t have fine sandpaper
Cool. Yeah, the tut probably isn\'t 100% what you\'re after, but trying to find one for bone is tricky - most of the time people seem basecoat with some variant of yellowish brown and then drybrush bleached bone over the top! I guess it works if you have 500 skellies to paint for a table-top force but not for what you want to do.

Hope your wrist gets better soon. I think most of us have ADD issues here (so...many...shinies....!), so you\'re among friends on that count! lol
 
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