Wet Palette Too Wet and Too Dry at the same time.

baudot

New member
I paint with a wet palette, and for the most part I love it. But it has one serious problem: It gets too wet and too dry at the same time.

When the palette is too wet, water puddles through the parchment paper. The paint on top gets too thin, and separates into different colors.

When the palette gets too dry, the parchment dries up and so does the paint on it. It starts to curls off the sponge and resists being moisturized anew.

Here's a pic of the wet palette after it's been closed up overnight, and the paints have diluted and puddled together. And the paper is also too dried out, letting the paint spoil, and starting to curl off the sponge. So it got too wet and the paint mixed, and then it quickly dried out overmuch. This happens constantly.
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It works great when I first start using it, but I'm throwing out parchment paper and unused paint a lot, which is missing half the purpose of a wet palette. Better paint mixing? Score. Saving paint? Not so much.

The palette is the P3 brand wet palette from Privateer Press, using their parchment paper to go with. I've moistened it with plain old tap water - not distilled water. I haven't boiled the parchment paper either, but since that's supposed to increase wicking, it sounds like that would just make the problem worse. The climate I live in is hot and humid: Usually 80 degrees or higher, with the humidity levels you'd expect a mile from the ocean. (i.e. Oakland, California, near the docks.) I re-moisten the pallet when I notice the paper starting to peel off the sponge, which sometimes happens in less than an hour of working, and while other parts of the pallet are still soaked through.

Thoughts? Which behavior should I be changing to solve this problem? Or is this just a lousy sponge/lousy batch of parchment paper? Have another brand wet palette that's always worked for you?
 

CrookedEye

Fear the Crooked Eye
The best way I have found to avoid the problem you have shown in your picture is to drain off excess water and the end of the session. The sponge will hold enough water to keep the paint moist and you won't get the condensation that then drips on your paint.

Zach
 

baudot

New member
Sounds sensible, but by the end of the session, the water has soaked through and the paint is runny. If I tilt the palette to drain it, the paint runs together.
 
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baudot

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Not enough control over either, apparently. And if did take control over one or both of these, it would need to account for the patchy-ness of the flooding/drying out, since the same palette can get flooded in one spot at the same time as the paper is drying up and curling off the pad in another spot.

How about we skip the riddle step and you just say how you think I should be evening this out.
 

Dragonsreach

Super Moderator
Tommie you're out of order here!

Your initial question is vague and for someone seeking advice, not helpful.
If you need information about how he's approaching using a wet palette you should have asked better less cryptic questions.
Your response to his answer is a bit petulant. If you can't see that your questions needed clarification, then the fault lies with you not the originator.
 

baudot

New member
Thanks. And I'm happy to apologize as well.

I saw the message update, clicked over to see it, read your questions, and it read like the answer should be obvious to me after considering them. I was reading them like, "Well, obviously he intends to steer my thinking here, to guide me to the answer on my own... but I'm still not seeing it." Which gets pretty frustrating the longer you stare at an answer like that. Am I just too dumb to see the answer in front of me? Or am I still missing a piece of information? Does this other guy just think this is obvious because he already knows the answer?

So yes, I was a bit miffed at my end of the conversation as well, staring at that answer and wondering how dumb I was being.

Now, that out of the way, I still have a wet palette that makes me throw out a lot of paint, but that I still love for paint mixing. Anybody have suggestions for things I could test out to solve the paint wasting?
 

ten ball

New member
I use this exact wet pallet, and have had this issue.
When adding paint use a pea size amount of paint at a time. When leaving overnight close lid but dont clip it shut alowing a little air.
 

baudot

New member
Even with the amount of water I use, parts of the paper dry up and curl off the sponge.

It could be that my average water level is too high and I need to lower it, but then I'd still need to solve the dry-patches problem, which is worse the less water I use.
 

Dragonsreach

Super Moderator
I tried the Privateer Press Wet Palette and found it 'OK' for a beginner in the wet palette technique but found that the sponge wasn't the best water retainer. It either held too much and I got flooding or it just didn't transfer enough for I ended up with a pool at the bottom of the case, or it worked perfectly. There was no consistency in it. Plus the parchment was smaller than the sponge which allowed colour to bleed into the sponge occasionally.

However I Transferred over to a Mathersons Wet Palette and found the sponge/parchment combo much better giving me more space (approximately double) and a better capability with the paint. The sponge is not the 'packing style' sponge but more like a household water absorbing material which holds the water at the same saturation without leaking or wicking away to the bottom.

For me I don't leave paint on the palette overnight, as I usually get to a completion stage of a colour/area in one sitting and wash the parchment and brushes at the end of the session.
 

ten ball

New member
Dampen the paper and sponge, and after a paint session give the whole thing a light spray of water from and old perfume bottle etc.
there has to be to much water in there imo to swamp the paper.
 
Two suggestions:

1. I like to cut my parchment paper a little smaller than the sponge. That way it lays down nice and flat.

2. Use a name-brand parchment paper. I recently switched from a cheap paper to a name brand, and it work so much better. It costs a few bucks more, but it doesn't break the bank.

Both worked for me, but your results may vary, of course.
 

baudot

New member
That gives me some things to try. Thanks Dragonsreach, ten ball, and not-a-brush-licker.

Dragonsreach - Absolutely right. It's literally the same sponge they use to cushion the minis. If you buy one of the 120mm base minis, the packing sponge is exactly identical to the sponge that comes in their wet palette. I've had a suspicion this was part of the problem. If water isn't flowing well through a sponge that was chosen for cushioning, not for capillary action, it wouldn't be surprising.

ten-ball - I've been actually working harder to keep water from getting directly on the top of the paper. It seems to really exacerbate the problem if I spill even a tiny splash of water on there when re-wetting the sponge. I've gone so far as to pick up some disposable pipettes to allow for more precise application of paint and water. (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005Z4QVZ4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 ... I just got them and haven't tested them yet, tho. Don't know yet if they live up to my hopes.)

not-a-brush-licker - Indeed, I'm not bothered to pay an extra few bucks considering that a supply of good parchment paper is going to last me for months. And if it stops me from throwing out paint, it'll pay back in no time anyway. Which brand has been working for you?
 

MagmaPainter

New member
I struggled with this problem for a long time, tell I picked up a masterson stay-wet palette. It really dose make a difference, the paper that you get for it is really durable and can be used over and over. Just don't flood the sponge, just enough to soak the sponge then set it in the palette.

The link is to the large one, but there are smaller ones available.
Link
 
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baudot

New member
Masterson palette acquired, and it's fantastic.
I don't know how much of it is the denser sponge and how much is the denser paper, but I haven't had the problem at all since swapping palettes.
 
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