Trolls rating good minis with 1s? Is this common?

[Mannahnin]

http://www.coolminiornot.com/index.php?id=276277&letknown=1

Is it common for guys like AlAl to rate clearly high-quality figs a "1"? That's pretty disappointing.

 

[PegaZus]

Well, I'd say it's common enough. Course, I think that the rating system here will look at the low scores overnight, laugh at them, then remove them from the average score. Or so I've heard.

But to actually leave a comment with the 1 on such a figure? That's rather odd, and so I'm really hesitant to call it trolling. It appears he/she honestly believes that it deserves a 1 for the airbrushing.

Which, since forums are for opinions, I'd mockingly laugh at the "1", then carry on and ignore it. I don't see a damn thing wrong with using an airbrush to do some OSL, especially a TEST piece.

But like I said, shrug and ignore it.

 

[QuietiManes]

Common...not really, I don't think. Certainly not usual to have someone log in and make a silly comment, lots of silly and harsh comments but usually you can see the reasoning.

But everyone gets rated by the masses...so there's little chance any specific mini will get only reasoned, honest, justifiable votes. There used to be a theory that if a vote is a certain amount off from the current score, it doesn't go into the calculation for the score. I don't think the score logic has ever been released or proven but it seems reasonable.

 

[Mannahnin]

Thanks guys. I guess it's leaving the comment that really strikes me as trolling. No one could possibly sincerely think that it's a bad-looking miniature. Heck, I'd laugh at anyone who thought it was a 5; "tabletop quality". It's not a 10, sure, but well above average, certainly. The only reason I can think of for the guy to rate it 1 and then post that he did so is just to be a jerk and taunt the painter.

 

[SkelettetS]

man, that's one rude and unnecessary comment you got there, not constructive at all. :bad:

overall score make justice though, nice one

 

[Dragonsreach]

Unfortunately when moderating comments yesterday I saw several by this particular poster, most identified him as a singular type of "GW /White Dwarf is the only way to paint Fanboy mentality".
However in my opinion while not helpful they did more to show him up than damage the images they were attached to.

Take it this way; if that's his level of blinkered veiwing then you are obviously doing something right.

Troll, No...Muppet, More than likeley.

 

[Wombat85]

While it is a nice mini i don't think it is worth an 8, certainly not a 1 though. Photoshopping mold lines to boost your score is a big no-no in my opinion, if you forgot it suck up the score reduction, clean better next time. It also calls into question what else on there you may have Photoshopped and just not told us about.

 

[MAXXxxx]

Unfortunately when moderating comments yesterday I saw several by this particular poster, most identified him as a singular type of "GW /White Dwarf is the only way to paint Fanboy mentality".

would like to read some of them. After reading his profile
'favorite' part: "I only really use blending as an undercoat".

 

[supervike]

Actually, I was the one to moderate, and ultimately accept that comment....And here was my rationale.

We've had reports of people 'sniping' (leaving a very low vote)..but those are always done anonymously. It's been a common complaint since the site began.

Since this was left as a comment, this guy has his name attached to it, so he takes ownership of the comment. I feel he's entitled to the comment (although I've no clue where he is coming from). I like the way it reflects on the user.

Maybe it's unfair that I allow it, as it is now posted on that fine work...but I feel as long as someone is brave enough to have their name displayed, their opinion (within reason) is allowable.

 

[nels0nmac]

Unusual to leave a comment with the "1". Take note that although he says he wants to become a "badass painter" he doesn't actually have any pictures in his gallery. That combined with his comment says more about him than it does about the mini he rated.

 

[Mannahnin]

I appreciate the additional feedback. Skellette, bear in mind that I didn't paint the thing. The guy who painted it is fairly new member on Dakka, where I moderate, and I just happened to see the comment and was confuzzled and a little annoyed. Wombat, if a "5" is tabletop quality, that piece, with the basing and overall quality of work it has, is certainly an 8. IMO, of course. Even as low as a 5 or 6 would be silly. Him admitting to having cleaned off a mold line digitally doesn't change that. IMHO, of course.

But as others have said, garbage numbers like that come out in the wash considering the weight of other votes, and the troll putting his name to the comment lets everyone know who he is and what he does.

 

[supervike]

FWIW...as i finished up the comments this morning, there are plenty of constructive criticisms from the user as well.

There were some that were deletable. I sent the person a message. I'm assuming that he's just new at it, and thinks, like many things on the internet, smart ass comments are part of game.

But sometimes this sort of thing frustrates me. The submission in question has 15 POSITIVE comments, yet we all pay attention to the one being a jerk. Why do we focus on the negative? Does his comment carry more weight?

EDITED TO ADD...I don't believe the 'voting on the comment' counts towards the miniatures voting totals anyhow.

 

[TrystanGST]

I've voted on plenty of minis on this site, and I've never given a 1 for a complete paint job, no matter how awful. I reserve that for clear WIPs, and Salem's posts.

I do have to agree with Wombat about the photoshopping though. It's hard to rate a mini honestly when the poster admits to retouching the photo. At that point, the picture presents a different reality than the actual mini.

 

[BPI]

As someone who votes in the Gallery from time to time I'll just comment that this one's a skip for me. Horrible photoshopping removes mini from location & makes it look like a magazine cutting in a scrapbook, so flat, such a shame. Too much harsh directional light & real shadow to be able to clearly work out what's actually paint. The flat white emblem attached to his left shoulder loks as though it's floating on top.

Good on Major Tom for clearly stating in his notes that he photoshopped out a moldline but I want to vote on the actual job, not an (excessively) artificially revised version.

Without these issues it'd probably scrape a 7 from me (purely on paint, I long ago lost any sense as to Space Marines being cool )

Cheers, B.

PS reading the new comments, "not 10 but I give it to balance the other guy". Why do people do this? Vote it what you think it's worth by your own standards. That way, if you filter all of the miniatures you've voted on by score they actually make sense. Why would you want this cropping up alongside all of the other minis you've voted 10 on?

 

[Mannahnin]

But sometimes this sort of thing frustrates me. The submission in question has 15 POSITIVE comments, yet we all pay attention to the one being a jerk. Why do we focus on the negative? Does his comment carry more weight?

His was the first comment, and the only comment which showed/had been approved at the time I commented and started this thread.

I really appreciate how seriously you're taking this and that you've posted multiple times about it. You clearly take your approval/moderation duties seriously, which speaks very well of you and the site. Kudos!

 

[Wombat85]

I appreciate the additional feedback. Skellette, bear in mind that I didn't paint the thing. The guy who painted it is fairly new member on Dakka, where I moderate, and I just happened to see the comment and was confuzzled and a little annoyed. Wombat, if a "5" is tabletop quality, that piece, with the basing and overall quality of work it has, is certainly an 8. IMO, of course. Even as low as a 5 or 6 would be silly. Him admitting to having cleaned off a mold line digitally doesn't change that. IMHO, of course.

But as others have said, garbage numbers like that come out in the wash considering the weight of other votes, and the troll putting his name to the comment lets everyone know who he is and what he does.

Be that as it may, not cleaning a model properly is an aspect of painting miniatures, other people get marked down for mold lines why shouldn't this mini? other 8s spend hours prepping the model to get it perfect, something a simple as a mold line was missed, should this model get the same score as someone who spends hours simply because you are good with Photoshop? I think it is worth a 7, even with the mold line, but not removing a mold line means for me at least it cannot be worth the mystical '8'

 

[funnymouth]

it is a curious bit of behavior, isnt it? its around CMON TT, maybe a 6. not an 8 though.
that being said, if this mini comes up while im browsing ( i refuse to vote now), i will give it a 1 without hesitation. photoshop manipulation to correct an error that will undoubtedly alter the score is unacceptable (a mold line bears a hefty penalty on CMON). knowingly falsifying/misrepresenting a piece of work is serious, even if disclosed, in any field of work or hobby and will almost unilaterally result in disqualification and/or penalty. i find it in bad taste, and it discredits the entire effort (as well as the prep efforts of all of us). this guy just made my "list."

 

[supervike]

His was the first comment, and the only comment which showed/had been approved at the time I commented and started this thread.

Ah! Good point..... Incidentally, I hope you didn't think I was directing a negative comment towards you, I was just making a general statement regarding this sort of thing. We all seem to focus on the negative at times!

I really appreciate how seriously you're taking this and that you've posted multiple times about it. You clearly take your approval/moderation duties seriously, which speaks very well of you and the site. Kudos!

Wow, that's nice of you to say! Thanks! We really do have a great site here. I wish we'd get a bit more support in our 'DISCUSS SUBMISSIONS' forum, when folks are looking for comments, but we have a group of regulars that do a solid job.

 

[Mannahnin]

Be that as it may, not cleaning a model properly is an aspect of painting miniatures, other people get marked down for mold lines why shouldn't this mini? other 8s spend hours prepping the model to get it perfect, something a simple as a mold line was missed, should this model get the same score as someone who spends hours simply because you are good with Photoshop? I think it is worth a 7, even with the mold line, but not removing a mold line means for me at least it cannot be worth the mystical '8'

Interesting points, thanks! I wasn't aware that 8 was a special benchmark, but that's must be my ignorance and inexperience with the site. I've never spent a lot of time here. Just been linked here and dropped by occasionally over the last decade. I'm still a little confused by your use of "you" in your posts. Do you mean to imply that you think I'm lying when I say I'm not the painter?

it is a curious bit of behavior, isnt it? its around CMON TT, maybe a 6. not an 8 though.

Again, thanks for the clarification on what "tabletop" means on CMON. I think of my stuff as tabletop, but it's not even close to this guy's painting. My stuff would probably get a 2 or 3 on this site, from what I'm learning here.

that being said, if this mini comes up while im browsing ( i refuse to vote now), i will give it a 1 without hesitation. photoshop manipulation to correct an error that will undoubtedly alter the score is unacceptable (a mold line bears a hefty penalty on CMON). knowingly falsifying/misrepresenting a piece of work is serious, even if disclosed, in any field of work or hobby and will almost unilaterally result in disqualification and/or penalty. i find it in bad taste, and it discredits the entire effort (as well as the prep efforts of all of us). this guy just made my "list."

I think you are taking an unjust position there. I agree that deception and falsification are a big deal. The guy we're talking about is the person who publicly STATED exactly what was photoshopped on his fig. You can disagree with his decision to do so, but taking a censorious attitude toward him and putting him on some negative "list" when he's been entirely honest and open seems inappropriate. At least IMO. But do as your conscience finds suitable.

 

[TrystanGST]

Interesting points, thanks! I wasn't aware that 8 was a special benchmark, but that's must be my ignorance and inexperience with the site. I've never spent a lot of time here. Just been linked here and dropped by occasionally over the last decade. I'm still a little confused by your use of "you" in your posts. Do you mean to imply that you think I'm lying when I say I'm not the painter?

I don't think that is what he meant at all.

I think you are taking an unjust position there. I agree that deception and falsification are a big deal. The guy we're talking about is the person who publicly STATED exactly what was photoshopped on his fig. You can disagree with his decision to do so, but taking a censorious attitude toward him and putting him on some negative "list" when he's been entirely honest and open seems inappropriate. At least IMO. But do as your conscience finds suitable.

I have to agree with funnymouth. I wouldn't give it a 1, but to think that just because he admitted to photoshopping means we shouldn't allow that to influence the voting is silly. How can we vote honestly if we can't see what the mini really looks like? Plenty of people have great paint jobs, but get dragged down by poor photos. This guys almost the opposite in that regard. He had a mini that he improved on with photoshop. Not cool.