Triarch Preatorian 1 of 5 (Green/Gold) Improvement help :)

MAXXxxx

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a bit cleaner painting (head, chest area) could be useful, but the most important part: more contrast, both in light-shadow and in colors.
Also not your fault, but a gaming base doesn't help at all in the upper ranges.
 

SpectralDragon

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a bit cleaner painting (head, chest area) could be useful, but the most important part: more contrast, both in light-shadow and in colors.
Also not your fault, but a gaming base doesn't help at all in the upper ranges.
I think you are seeing the slight pooling of the orange wash on the chest, which honestly I thought made it look better but I can see why some people wouldn't think so. Thanks for the feedback.
 

supervike

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The base actually looks undone. Not sure what's going on there.

But, I like the color scheme quite a bit. There is a bit of a muddy look though, getting more defined lines and colors help make something so small pop out more.
 

SpectralDragon

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The base actually looks undone. Not sure what's going on there. But, I like the color scheme quite a bit. There is a bit of a muddy look though, getting more defined lines and colors help make something so small pop out more.
It's done. I left it darker to put more focus on the mini. I am not a fan of judging a model solely on the base. (not saying you are, but I know many do.) This is called coolmini not coolbase after all. I should perhaps mention this is part of a squad of five and a gaming mini at that.


I happen to like the slight weathered look the orange brings out. I think I shal keep it for the rest of them. I just noticed that a larger pic I have actually brings out more details, so perhaps it was wrong of me to put the pics side by side like that. I would upload it but the uploader doesn't like me for some reason.
 
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shakes

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Hey, just saw your post and thought I'd throw a little criticism your way. First off its a cool looking paint job, its different, uniqe, and eye catching. These are all good and very important things, I see a lot of quality paint jobs get lost in the pile because though they are exceptionally well painted they have nothing to catch the eye or set them apart. My favorite parts are the head and the weapon though I find the gem in the center of his head quite lacking. It looks like a blue blob, if it isn't meant to be a gem I think it would still benefit from some highlighting. As to the osl it doesnt really look like there is any. Many parts of the model have a green hint to them but there is no point of generation for the osl so it doesnt look like osl, just a green wash. I also find many of the metallic areas look flat, for example the pic of his back right foot/ankle. It looks like a coat of boltgun metal and nothing else. A black wash and a quick highlight with chainmail would make a big improvment on that. Cleaner more defined edges will also help you out. For example on his back he has three orange balls with green mounts, the parts look dirty and blend together because there is no defineing line between them. Take note these are all things I think you could improve on if you wanted to get higher scores on cmon, not things I think you have to improve on. If you personally like how those parts look then thats great and all that matters because at the end of the day it's your mini and if your happy and had fun thats whats important. I like the paint job, and am just trying to give constructive criticism so you can improve your scores as requested. The last bit of criticism I will give is on the base as was previously mentioned by Supervike, he's not saying it needs an elaborite base or anything special to get a high score, the base on your model literally looks undone. It looks like you chucked a little green stuff on the base, didn't bother to prime it or anything, glued the model down, and called it done. It really looks undone and I think you would have gotten a higher score if it had had a plain sand base instead that looked finished opposed to a slightly fancier base that looks half finished. I will also add that this is cool mini and not cool paint job, you don't need elaborite bases to get a high score but it is part of the miniature and will affect your score, I almost never choose to do anything elaborite with my bases because I usually just feel like painting but a base can tell a story and add a lot to a miniature.

P.s. you've gotten some good cc back already but it doesn't really sound like you want it. Your reply's to me come across as a "thank you for your time but your wrong and this is why". You've asked for feedback on how to improve and people are taking there personal time to reply and try and help you out but the wondering of your replys in short is unappreciative. Thats not to say I think that thats actually how you feel, just how I find the wordings of your replys come across.

Once again I think this is a unique and eye catching mini, happy painting.

Shakes
 

BPI

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I like it, and a unit of five should look very nice indeed. I'm not convinced the green in the background paper is doing you any favours and personally I'd gloss the green on the base to help define it from the space skeleton.

The gem on his forehead needs more attention. There's a nice gem tutorial on this site that should help with that (I've used it and been pleased with the result). Then a final white reflective dot in each eye.

Next set of photos for the second one. Give yourself roughly a cm of room around the entire mini when cropping. Tweak the angle of the head-on shot so that he's looking directly into the lens. Play with some different background colours.

Don't see why a nice shot of the unit shouldn't finish on a healthy 6.5+ in the Gallery. Don't forget that to push it into the sevens you need a significant number of people to vote 8. Do you really want to put that much effort into an army unit? Personally I'm happy to push into the sixes :D Voting's all personal of course but a 5 or 6 for a troop, 7 for a character and 8+ for competition (or the annoyingly unnaturally skilled folk) is how I tend to run through it.

Cheers, B.
 

supervike

Super Moderator
It's done. I left it darker to put more focus on the mini. I am not a fan of judging a model solely on the base. (not saying you are, but I know many do.) This is called coolmini not coolbase after all. I should perhaps mention this is part of a squad of five and a gaming mini at that.

Many folks (me included) feel that the base is an intregal part of the entire look of the mini. Like a particular frame sets off a piece of fine art, the base does the same for the mini.

IMHO, it's an important part of the voting as well.
 

SpectralDragon

New member
Shakes/Supervike:

When I come across as not wanting advice, it's because I am looking at a very much complete and painted base. I put just as much time into the base as the mini, in fact. It is painted, it is highlighted and shaded, and there is even OSL on it. It may be a case of it not coming across in the pics. Also regarding the base, when I said I don't like people who judge based on just the base, I meant just that. There are people who judge JUST based on the base, and that is what I have issue with. I can actually understand your sentiments about the base being part of the mini, that's why he's on a detail base though granted it's for gaming.

Now, the fact that you are seeing an incomplete base when it actually is complete tells me my camera skills need work. What I am gathering from your posts is that my pictures are perhaps not as sharp as I originally though. That is why I originally tried to post the larger pic but the uploader doesn't seem to like me. Next time I will simply post one pic on top of the other to get it bigger. My camera is not the best but it gets the job done for now. Another example is the comment from BPI about the green in the background. It's a black and white background, so not sure why it looks green in the photo.

I am constantly improving my camera skills.

Perhaps I should also use colors which distinguish the base from the mini as well.

Now, I know it's not all the camera. Lots of the comments on here I am taking to heart, shakes. I appreciate any advice I get but I won't take it all to heart especially if, as I have pointed out already, there is a good reason not to. For example I know for a fact there is not just boltgun metal on his foot and ankle, that actually has OSL on it from the blue light on the base. It's not obvious as it should be, and that's what I am taking out of that comment, but it's there. Even when disagreeing with the comment I am taking something constructive out of it and will use it to improve the next mini.

The eyepiece: I can understand the concerns there, looking at the pic it looks like some wash of some sort got on the mini at some point and messed up the osl and the eye piece. Will fix that and take better pics.

Lack of OSL: well, the weapon should have been obvious, or at least I was hoping so. The eyes, the middle eye, and the light coming from the base to the ankle has osl as well. I will work on improving how it comes out on the mini.

Back/Three orbs area: Yes I agree that needs more work, wasn't sure how to distinguish anything there but the advice given gives me more ideas, thank you!

Lots of good stuff here everyone and I truly feel this will help get me to the 7-8 I want for the unit. Yes I am greedy enough to want that for my whole army, unrealistic as it is :p

Bad as it is though, this is my best work to date which is another reason I wanted to know how to improve it. I put about 4 8-hour sessions into this mini. Most of that was cleaning, building, and planning the colors as well as correcting things after getting some advice elsewhere. Still, those who have had their best work fall short, even a tad short as I am can understand why I am getting further advice I hope.

Just tried to get the better pics up again and no luck.
 

supervike

Super Moderator
I certainly wasn't trying to be overly critical. I was sincerely trying to answer your question

"What would push this to a 7"


However, I full well know the frustrations of getting a decent picture. It's the most tedious part of the process, and I've all but given up on it.

A whole unit of these dudes will look cool, looking forward to seeing that.
 

SpectralDragon

New member
I certainly wasn't trying to be overly critical. I was sincerely trying to answer your question

"What would push this to a 7"


However, I full well know the frustrations of getting a decent picture. It's the most tedious part of the process, and I've all but given up on it.

A whole unit of these dudes will look cool, looking forward to seeing that.

Thank you, please do not misunderstand, I was simply explaining my view, not trying to invalidate yours. Looking at my pics on the pc I think I need to use something other than the new paint software to edit my pics.....

Well, there are free solutions for that! Next pic up should be the whole squad and I will try to learn from my mistakes.
 
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