This is exasperating!!

[Nailpainter2003]

<<Rating: 6
The painting is neatly done and looks good.. But some thing wrong with the sculpt. The arms are as thick, as her legs and she does not have a wrist or maybe she just drank too much water and is swollen J who knows. I think that one could expect that the proportions are right one a 54mm scale. But nice paint job anyways u get 7 for that and 5 for the mini that leaves it at a 6.>>

This above comment was left on my painted miniature, THE SUN WORSHIPPER\"S and has happened on many occasions. It only serves as an example of my frustration, not a personal attack on any particular person.

I can understand a person\'s personal preference, likes/dislikes of certain miniatures, but WHY must we, the painter, be critiqued and in turn, ranked for another\'s sculpting efforts??

When I clearly post one of my original sculpts, which will be soon, I expect a thorough examination of anatomical proportion and the like, along with a critique of painting skill; but until then, must we suffer for someone else\'s ability?

Can we not separate the two for voting when one honestly labels a figure with: Original Green; Conversion; Name of Mini Mfg.?
*Okay, rant off*

BTW When I vote on other CMON postings, I only critique a piece on the level of painting skill, except where a conversion, or original sculpt is listed. It makes no sense to me, to penalize a person for something they didn\'t do. And, I rarely vote a piece \'Tabletop Quality\' unless I have difficulty seeing a bad photo. If I\'m unable to decipher the photo at all, usually, I do not vote on the piece....Fot me, this seems more fair than giving a low score.

Sorry, I just don\'t know how to handle this situation and it\'s left me with a feeling of dismay.

Faye

 

[Cerridwyn1st]

Sometimes you have to wonder if they REALLY think there is a problem, or are just looking for an excuse to torpedo your average.

 

[supervike]

tough votes...

Well, unfortunately voters will continue to look at the sculpt as well.

I agree it is unfair.

A great painter can make a bad sculpt look pretty good, but the opposite is not true.

I understand your frustration, but I voted an 8 for it, so I hope that helps!!!

 

[ZaPhOd]

Well your photos are always very light and faded.. perhaps some form of fade correction or contrast would help.

 

[Sand Rat]

Faye -

This is one of those things that happens, unfortunately. It is a pain in the buttocks when it does, but there is nothing you can do about it. I chalk stuff like this up to sniping fan boys and move on.

 

[supervike]

respectfully disagree...

Sorry oh great Dinosaur, but I think I disagree with that assessment.

Snipers do so anonomously (or however that is spelled)

This person left a comment, which indicates they believe in what they are saying.

I think for the most part, it is something we all have to deal with.

Voters tend to vote on what they see, and that includes Sculpt, Paint, AND photo quality.

And to be quite honest, I am sure when I am voting on a fig, that those factors are very much in my mind as well.

 

[Prophet]

Why wouldn\'t they? It\'s COOL MINI or not, not GOOD PAINT JOB or not. The sculpt, pose, base, subject matter, painting quality, color scheme, etc. all go in to determining the very subjective \"coolness\" of a figure. Why should it be otherwise?

 

[ZaPhOd]

Yes, and nude girls are nice but not always Cool. I maintain that it is the image quality more than anythign else that is causign you low scores Faye.

 

[Day]

I must agree with supervike, sorry. I vote on what I see - no matter how good the paintjob, it will not help if the mini (sculpt) is no good. Even though it\'s not your fault.

Personally, I feel that it\'s only fair to look all aspects of a mini when voting. Where would we be if we\'d only vote on basis of the paintjob (or sculpt, for that matter?) I haven\'t seen enough minis to know whether the mini is converted or just painted OOB.

 

[Duende]

My two cents...

I\'d have to agree with Prophet and supervike.
You may not have sculpted it, but you chose that scuplt to paint. Therefore, every painter here is responsible for the choice of which minis they buy to paint. If you pick one that a little lacking anatomy-wise, that was your decision, like a painter choosing thier canvas.
Like supervike mentioned, it\'s Cool Mini or Not so I take all factors into account- paintjob, sculpt, photo quality. And photo quality IS important. A bad shot obscures details and I\'m not going to try and guess what it may actually look like. If it\'s a horrible shot, take a new one and replace it.

So pick your minis with care! It matters!

 

[Klute]

Faye,
for what its worth I always think your work is under rated.......BUT.....
I have always voted on minis as a whole and not just the painting quality.I think its just the way most people vote,but like I say I think you do suffer slightly.
Also I do believe that images that have an ebay auction link score lower than they should.This is not just your work either.Glynn\'s are another example I think.
Maybe Im wrong.

 

[Dragonsreach]

Originally posted by Klute
Faye,
for what its worth I always think your work is under rated.......BUT.....
I have always voted on minis as a whole and not just the painting quality.I think its just the way most people vote,but like I say I think you do suffer slightly.
Also I do believe that images that have an ebay auction link score lower than they should.This is not just your work either.Glynn\'s are another example I think.
Maybe Im wrong.

I have to agree with Klute here. I seem to notice trend with Auctions. It\'s as if some people seem to feel that putting a mini up for sale demeans the \"art\", thereby penalising the painter for no good reason other that the fact that you may make a few bucks on it.
I too think that you work on here is under rated, but that could be down to the : \"Oooh It\'s a nude I don\'t want to be associated with voting on it\" mentality.

Personally I\'ve nothing against the style of the nude figures you choose to paint. (Well hey anyone who paints a nude male, has got to have a fairly liberal attitude. BTW It\'s sitting on my wifes desk at work.... and I have several orders for more!)

 

[Sand Rat]

O fan of the Vik, I dissagree - I have seen several examples of sniping with commentary on my travail through the minis, so it does happen. Someone just didnt like the sculpt or was having a bad day, or as Glyn says didnt like the pictures, or has it in for Faye - unfortunately it happens.

 

[supervike]

Damn!!

You Dinosaurs and your Thunder-Lizard logic!

You have made a very good argument there, one that I cannot dispute.

Now that I think about it, I too have seen snipers who leave comments.....

I was hoping we could get into an all out debate that would only be settled in a Steel Cage Match to the death....

Foiled again.....

 

[TwelveMilesOut]

Originally posted by supervike
A great painter can make a bad sculpt look pretty good, but the opposite is not true.

Wait...are you saying a bad painter can\'t make a pretty good sculpt look bad? I beg to differ! I could make any figure look like crap, and I\'m not even the worst painter I\'ve seen.

 

[supervike]

touche\'

Well, not exactly my point.....:bouncy::bouncy:

 

[Braveheart712]

Two thoughts...

Nailpainter, I sympathize with your outrage but I do have two thoughts...

1) You did manage to get comments, while it was not neccessarily the praise you had hoped for, it does seem to be honest and heartfelt. While I disagree with the comment as well, I do agree that this person does have the right to tell you what they think. They did not seem nasty but expressed the opinion that they disliked the mini you chose while acknowledging your skill painting it.

2) Like I comment on every ratings based forum, paint to please yourself and take this whole rating thing with a grain of salt. You are a good painter and I sincerely hope you enjoy expressing yourself through this hobby. Praise when it comes is only an added bonus. ( Oh I gave you a 7.0, nice work!)

\"Of course that is just my opinion, I could be wrong...\" -Dennis Miller

 

[Grizzix]

for all intents and purposes im not the bast painter in the world(Croud-no. really?) ive gotten some comments that truely pissed me off however, i looked back on my work and realised that while some people were a bit more rude than they needed to be, they were right. i will agree that comments about the sculpt are not needed but even if they are left it should not affect the score.

 

[airhead]

Originally posted by Duende
...You may not have sculpted it, but you chose that scuplt to paint...

I have to agree, you are too good a painter to paint mediocre figs. For what it is worth, I also think that you are underrated.

If I painted a great paint job on a crappy mini, I could not see it ever getting 9\'s. Somehow the eagle\'s claw (see bottom 10) comes to mind - no matter how good the paint job, that is just going to be bad.

 

[Nailpainter2003]

Thanks everybody, and....

....I do mean, everybody, who took the time to respond with thoughts and comments. I do appreciate all the people that make this community what it is... Pure pleasure to visit.

First, most of the pieces that I paint are requested and/or, commissioned. There is a market for specific mfg\'s. and lines....Sorry if my choices offend anyone, as I\'m just trying to earn a living from something that I love; And, trying to buy a piano which was lost in Texas along with many other personal belongings. If I posted only the miniatures that I actually CHOSE myself, I\'m afraid my gallery would be quite empty, indeed.

Secondly, after have read all your comments about what seemed so unfair at the time, I now realise how some would take the entire project (including the scuplt itself), into consideration when scoring posted works; However, I will continue to vote as I have been. After all, there are specific catagories by which, we list our works. i.e., mini mfg., original greens & conversions. Obviously, the latter two require alot more talent to produce something of quality and therefore, my 10\'s (though not set in stone) are primarily reserved for pieces requiring this additional talent. I do give 10\'s for outstanding paint jobs and unique ideas, but as we all know, the voting system is one of personal opinion.

I will remain grateful and appreciative of those who take the time to comment and vote, while always attempting to improve my work. I still consider myself a newbie in the realm of miniature art and always open to learning new ideas and the old, proven techniques.

Thanks again, to one and all,
Faye