Tabris' WIP Topic

Tabris_

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Hello, people. I decided to make this topic as i think this post fits better here than the original ( http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/showthread.php?38693-The-Journey-of-a-Third-World-Noob ).

This post is being posted simultaneously into this forum and Warhammer Brasil (there in portuguese, of course).

I'm back to painting my LOTR minis. I found out that the last store to try bringing GW minis to Brazil seems to have given up and are selling their stocks VERY CHEAP to get rid of them. Of course i got all my economies and bought everything i could. I painted some Gondorians and Wood elves (you can see them in the other topic, as well as there at CMON) but now i want to try something different for my next painting.

Here in Brazil almost everybody uses black primer, at first i thought this was true everywhere, but as i began reading from other sources i noticed usually people that really delve in the idea of painting usually prime white. I considered both options by researching about the differences and decided to give a try. As i wanted something different i also have chosen a Rohirrim to paint (BTW, I love those. If i could find people that play LOTR here in Rio i would surely make an army of them).

Now some thoughts about priming:

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1 - Acrilex Acrylic Base (Brush-on primer): I used this in the Rohirrim i'm going to paint next. It was the first kind of priming i used but i usually put a coat of black over the primer before i painted the colors (Silly me, according to the bottle of the product i could just mix it with any paint i wanted). This time i use many layers of very diluted primer to get a even coverage. I'm happy with the result, i could get it a little more even coverage, i think, but it's ok as it is and i don't risk overpriming the mini.
2 - Colorgin Paint for Plastics: This is technically not primer (or is not sold as so) but black paint on spray, almost everybody use the non-plastic specific version of it here in Brazil to prime. It works fine, it's VERY HARD to get out of the mini after i put it and i think the paint settles well over it. I only used this once but it was a lot of minis in one go. My inexperience with spray priming overprimed some minis to the point i had to strip the paint from half a dozen of them to try again. This made me want to go back to brush on priming. Lack of open spaces to prime here also make spray priming more work to me than it usually is for others (Have to cover part of a wall with newspaper, find a decent table, cover it with newspaper and do this all far from my father that had some lung problems in the past and can't smell this thing.)
3 - Colorgin Grey Primer: Never tested it. It's the only spray paint i found that was labeled as a primer. It seems to only come in that color (at least i only found that color here where i live). Might try it in the future

PS: Sorry for the bad photo. Need to but a better camera.
 

BPI

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Hi Tabris, soundss as though you got a bargain bucket worth of LotR minis, nice one :good: There're some great figures in the range.

I painted from a white undercoat for years, then switched to black and now will use any of black, grey, white or for a small or quickie piece just the appropriate GW Foundation paint :) I'd suggest prepping 3 minis, one each with black, white & grey undercoats, then paint them up as normal for a unit. Compare how the same colour paint goes on to each mini & gives a slightly different effect. Pick the one that you enjoy working with the most!

Or take the approach of using white undercoat on all of the good LotR minis & black on all of the evil forces to give each army a different atmosphere.

I've just recently tried spray primer myself. Getting the amount correct without overspraying & filling all of the detail seems to be lesson one!

Your photo looks okay, I wouldn't spend any of your hard earned cash on a new camera until you've spent a bit more time practicing with the one you have for optimum pictures!

Cheers, B.
 

Tabris_

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Hi Tabris, soundss as though you got a bargain bucket worth of LotR minis, nice one :good: There're some great figures in the range.

I painted from a white undercoat for years, then switched to black and now will use any of black, grey, white or for a small or quickie piece just the appropriate GW Foundation paint :) I'd suggest prepping 3 minis, one each with black, white & grey undercoats, then paint them up as normal for a unit. Compare how the same colour paint goes on to each mini & gives a slightly different effect. Pick the one that you enjoy working with the most!

Or take the approach of using white undercoat on all of the good LotR minis & black on all of the evil forces to give each army a different atmosphere.

I've just recently tried spray primer myself. Getting the amount correct without overspraying & filling all of the detail seems to be lesson one!

Your photo looks okay, I wouldn't spend any of your hard earned cash on a new camera until you've spent a bit more time practicing with the one you have for optimum pictures!

Cheers, B.
I'm thinking about doing exactly as you said. I've done lots of minis with black, now i'll try white and in the future some grey.

About the camera, it takes some nice photos but at least my brother keeps complaining about it. I know he is a perfectionist, but maybe there is some true in what he says about the image coming blured most of the time. I think it's something about the lens. But no problem, i just discovered it's still in warranty (gotta love those 3 years warrants).
 

freakinacage

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don't over spray with the primer, it's easy to do and a common mistake. you want just enough to cover the mini, no more

as for grey primer. it's great, easy to get dark colours dark and light colours light
 

Tee999

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I agree with Freak and mostly use light gray auto primer. On things I want to be dark I use dark gray, and White on things I want real bright.

Tee
 

Tabris_

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Hello people. Got into a little problem here. Take a look at the Rohirrim with the basecoats: http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/598/rohirrim.jpg
I don't know why but i've being having problems with the paints having that strange look seen on the highlights in the robe. I also had problems with the same paint having different colors when on the mini. It happened a lot when using Dark Green (Vallejo Game Color) on the cloak, stains of a lighter green would appear after the paint dried.
 

Tabris_

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Taking this topic out of limbo for an update. I decided to continue that Rohirrim another time, maybe even strip and try again. While that i began another Rohirrim and tried applying feathering for the first time. Take a look there: http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/6505/rohanwarrior.jpg

I think there are some mistakes, specially on the sides and the shoulder. But still it's far better than my old ways, with time i think i'll get the hang of it.

PS: It's not unprimed. I used light gray spray primer and this time it worked great. I don't thing i'll be abandoning spray priming to soon, i've finally got the hang of it.
 
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Tabris_

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Hello guys. After some time without posting i'm back. Continued painting the armor and some cloth details. Not very happy with the result, but i think it's ok since i'm doing it different this time.

About the armor i have one problem. what wash you guys apply? I did one with thinned Black VGC andar i didn't like the result.

BTW, the metallics are also VGC.

rohirrim3.jpg


You can also see i acidentally broke the sword, need to buy some polystyrene cement to fix that.

I also made a very noob mistake. I used water from the metallics water pot to clean a mistake in the helm. Look how it looks now. Maybe if i come back with the basecoat i can fix that.
 
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DunErwit

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Looks good so far.
But I think, the highlights e.g. on his shoulder need to be a bit brighter.

For washes, I use 'normal' umbra ink, for very dark areas black ink, both thinned with water (1 drop of ink : 4-6 drops of water). Could be, that GW washes are a bit better, but certainly not very much. For me, the inks work very good.

Priming:
I used to prime in white also for a long time.
But I switched to GW chaos black primer a couple of years ago for all mini paintings. I think, it is much easier to paint shadows and darker areas with everything being primed in black already - you don't have the risk, that there's a tiny white dot left somewhere... ;)

On the contrast, I still use white primer for very bright objects such as flames, torches or coloured lights.
 

Tabris_

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Thx. I need to buy some ink, i only have brown ink there.

About the primer, i used light grey for this, used black for a long time but tried white and liked it, now testing grey.
 

Tabris_

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Hello guys. I'm back and basically finished the Rohirrim. It's far form perfect but it was my first time using a totally different kind of technique that will pay off in the long run. It's like relearning everything but i already feel what i can achieve with it.

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Still have to make the base. BTW, I made the mistake of gluing all minis to base after they came. from now on i'll make the base separated and pin the mini in it after it's all finished.
 

Tabris_

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BTW. I did some improvements on this mini but i'll only post them after i buy material to improve the base. Had a hard time with some parts of the mini and it really is not as good as i thought. I have to improve my metallics and my work on details if i want to get better at it. Time for some investment as soon as money comes i say!

Somebody could suggest me what metallics (I have only some some feel Vellejo ones, Gunmetal Metal, Polished Gold and Silver) and washs (i have none) should i buy?
 

SkelettetS

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hey Tabris!

i personally think the vallejo metal colours, well, kinda s*ck. i use only gw metallics, nearly everything metal i paint is a base of boltgun metal, but then i paint mostly "dark" miniatures (no good-guys-elfs-types for me...). people often say the vallejo "air" metal colours outgun gw's though, but i never tested those.
for edge highlight use vallejo metal medium. as bright as it gets! :)

washes is an easy way to get a decent result. however, proper shading looks way better if done nicely :)
keep it up!
 

Tabris_

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hey Tabris!

i personally think the vallejo metal colours, well, kinda s*ck. i use only gw metallics, nearly everything metal i paint is a base of boltgun metal, but then i paint mostly "dark" miniatures (no good-guys-elfs-types for me...). people often say the vallejo "air" metal colours outgun gw's though, but i never tested those.
for edge highlight use vallejo metal medium. as bright as it gets! :)

washes is an easy way to get a decent result. however, proper shading looks way better if done nicely :)
keep it up!
Thx. I just find shading the scales in this scalemail at that scale (how many times can i say scale in a phrase?) VERY HARD. Maybe i could try that in the future.

Maybe with a Army Painter Wargamer Insane Detail Brush it would be easier? Thinking about buying some of those Army Painter brushes as they seem better than the ones i have there while not being as expensive as Raphael or other more professional brushes.

BTW, you gotta hate the pounds to reais conversion rates.
 

gsr15

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Hi Tabris, perhaps instead of trying to paint in the shadows on the scale mail, you could basecoat with the shadow color and then paint in the scales? As for brushes, I took someone's suggestion from one of the many threads here and have switched to doing most of my work with the GW basecoat brush...its a fairly large brush but it has a really wonderful tip on it (not that I've experienced any of the W&N or Raphael brushes, so I can't compare.) I guess the point is, you don't necessarily need a tiny brush to do the detail work, just a good tip...and the larger brushes will also hold more paint, meaning the brush won't dry out as quickly and you won't have to keep going to the reservoir as often.
 

Tabris_

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Hi Tabris, perhaps instead of trying to paint in the shadows on the scale mail, you could basecoat with the shadow color and then paint in the scales? As for brushes, I took someone's suggestion from one of the many threads here and have switched to doing most of my work with the GW basecoat brush...its a fairly large brush but it has a really wonderful tip on it (not that I've experienced any of the W&N or Raphael brushes, so I can't compare.) I guess the point is, you don't necessarily need a tiny brush to do the detail work, just a good tip...and the larger brushes will also hold more paint, meaning the brush won't dry out as quickly and you won't have to keep going to the reservoir as often.
Good suggestion. But i still want to see if somebody had experience with those Army Painter Brushes, i'll think about you suggestion too thought. I'll them make some research. I won't be buying them this month anyway so i have time to decide.

A kind member from this forum said he would donate me some brushes, so maybe i won't even need to buy them.

EDIT: Hello, i'm back with a photo of the mini after some modifications. What you guys think? It looks better, worse or the same thing?

 
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xMANIGHTx

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Sort of resurrecting this topic to tell that i didn't abandon it, but sadly i might in the future.

I came here basically to express my frustration; not that it is going to help, but just so i can "put it out".

Thing is. You will notice i didn't updated this topic since 08/12 (Or 12/08 like we put it here in Brazil, DD/MM). It's not that i forgot this, it's simply that i don't paint since August. You guys probably have read my constant complain about the brushes available here in Brazil. So, i grew tired and decided i would only paint again when i had new brushes. Time passed by and i bought wargaming books, new paints, new tools and the brushes. A investment i was happy to make, buying expensive Raphael 8404 brushes, size 0/3 and 1. The problem is simple, none of those things has came to me.

The books were shipped 12/08 (the day of my last post here), and still didn't came. The paints 05/09 and the brushes 15/09, none of them are here. And i'm sort of desperated because the shipments don't have tracking and i just can't do anything about them. Seems like it's a problem with the Brazilian postal service and the less developed area where i live.

I like to say i live in Rio de Janeiro, and that's sort of true, as i live in the Rio de Janeiro State (Rio de Janeiro is like New York, the state and the capital city have the same name); but i'm not from the capital, i'm from a city called Duque de Caxias, which neighbors the capital but is underdeveloped compared to her. While i live in a nice middle-class neighborhood of the city, the availability and quality of services is much worst than even some poor neighborhoods of Rio. As an example, the price i pay for a 300kbps broadband connection here would pay a 10mbps connection in the capital. Now i'm discovering the hard way it may also happen with the postal service.

I had problems with the postal service before, sometimes enormous delays happen or stuff simply don't get there. But i never had a problem in this scale, where all those things i bought simply didn't arrive, the most bizarre thing is that all the gamers i know from the capital or from other more prestigious cities receive their stuff normally, while i'm the only one i know from my city, so i can't compare.

Ok, the store where i bought most of the stuff shipped the books again, and will probably ship the rest of the stuff if i ask them. But to tell the truth i feel a little guilty making they pay for a problem that is not their fault (This and i have fear they will simply stop shipping to Brazil if they lose more money because of me. As similar situations with other clients have made other stores close their doors to us). My greatest fear is that even if they send it again it's not going to arrive again.

To put it simple, i depend on stuff from other countries to keep my hobby going. If i can't get it, or lose most of it in the way i simply can't continue in the hobby. I'll have to abandon miniature painting and never actually get to play wargames. All this journey will have been for nothing.
 

scottjames

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I am sorry to hear of your plight Tabris. I have always taken things like a postal service for granted. Do you have any friends in the capital you could have your goods sent to before collecting them in person? Good luck.
 

Tabris_

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I am sorry to hear of your plight Tabris. I have always taken things like a postal service for granted. Do you have any friends in the capital you could have your goods sent to before collecting them in person? Good luck.
I do have lots of friends in Rio, but i'm not sure if any of them would accept doing that for me. I do have a relative that probably would accept, but she lives alone and is not there all day to receive packages.
 
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