\'Stolen\' figures
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Flashman14
New member
I think in general it\'s frowned upon
BUT! if you acknowledge the artist then I personally think it\'s ok. After all it\'s not HowGoodAPainter/ModelerAmI?.com - it\'s cool mini or not . . .
But you see why people could be annoyed by someone taking credit for their work or someone rocketing up in the rankings because he/she snapped all the good shots of the best painted figs, right?
And frankly for Con coverage there are better avenues than this particular forum. Submit them to New Wave or some place like that where they can be viewed in their proper context.
Just some brain vomit for ya . . . :|~ (frankly i was just looking for a way to use the funny vomit smilie icon)
BUT! if you acknowledge the artist then I personally think it\'s ok. After all it\'s not HowGoodAPainter/ModelerAmI?.com - it\'s cool mini or not . . .
But you see why people could be annoyed by someone taking credit for their work or someone rocketing up in the rankings because he/she snapped all the good shots of the best painted figs, right?
And frankly for Con coverage there are better avenues than this particular forum. Submit them to New Wave or some place like that where they can be viewed in their proper context.
Just some brain vomit for ya . . . :|~ (frankly i was just looking for a way to use the funny vomit smilie icon)
No Such Agency
New member
In my opinion, it\'s not ok to post other people\'s work except maybe for cases where you have a painter friend who\'s not a member or something (and you post only a few of their pics). I\'d say, simply because we do have a member ranking system, it\'s better to stick with your own work, otherwise as was said you could have a non-painter ranked with some of the best painters here. That seems wrong.
I don\'t think that artists have the right to restrict non-commercial reproductions of their work, in the sense of photos of a painting or sculpture placed on the web. As long as credit is given, that is. I almost feel that the fact that minis are \"ranked\" here is a form of taking credit - if I post a pic of somebody else\'s mini and it gets an 8, it\'s like I\'m \"claiming it\", regardless of whether I say who really painted it.
I don\'t think that artists have the right to restrict non-commercial reproductions of their work, in the sense of photos of a painting or sculpture placed on the web. As long as credit is given, that is. I almost feel that the fact that minis are \"ranked\" here is a form of taking credit - if I post a pic of somebody else\'s mini and it gets an 8, it\'s like I\'m \"claiming it\", regardless of whether I say who really painted it.
borg
Administrator
I think you are refering to the gamesday coverage pics under user name borg. I used those pics from New Wave\'s coverage to seed the gallery when we first started CMON. I never claimed that those pics are mine and I know most of those who I took pictures of. as a matter of fact, now that we have over 8000 pics, we don\'t need those pics anymore, I will gladly take them down if some of those painters have a problem with it. I didn\'t think any of the owners of the miniatures had a problem with it???
We do have mechanism in place now to approve submitted pics to prevent peopel from submitting other\'s work, but it is not as easy as you think, as most of the time, there is no way to tell one artist\'s work from another...
We do have mechanism in place now to approve submitted pics to prevent peopel from submitting other\'s work, but it is not as easy as you think, as most of the time, there is no way to tell one artist\'s work from another...
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sam-man
Guest
Well...
If you feal the urge to post pics that aren\'t yours (For what ever reason) then you should go to www.blackorc.com
Pretty much anything goes over there. For example, boby wongs Ultramarine Emp champ has been posted numorous times with heddings like \"This is so cool\" etc etc....
If you feal the urge to post pics that aren\'t yours (For what ever reason) then you should go to www.blackorc.com
Pretty much anything goes over there. For example, boby wongs Ultramarine Emp champ has been posted numorous times with heddings like \"This is so cool\" etc etc....
vincegamer
New member
artist rights
NSA,
If you are saying you don\'t think artists _should_ have the right to restrict reproduction, that\'s one thing. However, the fact is they do. There may be exceptions that play in here but the safest thing is just not to put someone else\'s work up without their permission. As far as this site goes, I think it\'s poor taste to put someone else\'s stuff up partly because if I want to know how it was done, asking the poster won\'t get me anywhere.
Funny that you mention photos of a painting or a sculpture since the law actually treats those 2 things differently.
If you want to know more, drop me a line.
NSA,
If you are saying you don\'t think artists _should_ have the right to restrict reproduction, that\'s one thing. However, the fact is they do. There may be exceptions that play in here but the safest thing is just not to put someone else\'s work up without their permission. As far as this site goes, I think it\'s poor taste to put someone else\'s stuff up partly because if I want to know how it was done, asking the poster won\'t get me anywhere.
Funny that you mention photos of a painting or a sculpture since the law actually treats those 2 things differently.
If you want to know more, drop me a line.
No Such Agency
New member
OK, I should have clarified. I was thinking, if I work for a newspaper, and I take some photos at an art show and put them with my article about it, can the artist stop those from being published? Clearly they\'re poor facsimiles of the real thing. I sort of see Games Day coverage etc. to be like that. The photos are to inform people who couldn\'t be there in person.
However, this site is not really operating in that capacity. This is a site to showcase one\'s OWN work. Hence I am opposed to posting others\' minis.
However, this site is not really operating in that capacity. This is a site to showcase one\'s OWN work. Hence I am opposed to posting others\' minis.
Dragnmastrz
New member
Curious now as I have posted 2 pics under my name as the converter of the minis but gave full credit to the painters that I had paint them for me with thier permission.
Does this cause a problem with folks, for if it does, I will surely take them down and have the people who painted them post them under thier own name.
Dragnmastrz
Does this cause a problem with folks, for if it does, I will surely take them down and have the people who painted them post them under thier own name.
Dragnmastrz
vincegamer
New member
joint work
Well, you pose an interesting twist.
You converted the mini, someone else painted it.
I say you both had a creative hand in the final product so either on of you (or both) should feel free to post it.
I think the problem people have is with the person who posts a picture where all they had to do with it was pay for it (or possibly take a picture).
Well, you pose an interesting twist.
You converted the mini, someone else painted it.
I say you both had a creative hand in the final product so either on of you (or both) should feel free to post it.
I think the problem people have is with the person who posts a picture where all they had to do with it was pay for it (or possibly take a picture).
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kevd82
Guest
I think that the problem comes in when someone posts the work of another painter. When I first came across it I thought about starting a thread, but the miniatures in question were about the same level as the work of the person who posted them. So it didn\'t seem that big of a deal; the rankings wouldn\'t really be skewed. But I have since seen people posting work done by top-level painters, and that i think is wrong. What if I bought a miniature painted by Bobby Wong or Jen Haley and posted it alongside my array of 5-mid 6 level paintjobs. Not fair to the other painters in my ranking range at all. (Not that my ranking is high enough to be of any real importance, but the point can be transferred to others
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Chern Ann
Only when they're green
Collage accounts
I try to keep an eye out for collage accounts like these, and exclude them from the rankings (eg. borg, the NW events coverage account). If you spot any let me know. I was thinking of putting nvstudios in, I prefer how sorceror studios posts their artists work, seperated into several accounts
I try to keep an eye out for collage accounts like these, and exclude them from the rankings (eg. borg, the NW events coverage account). If you spot any let me know. I was thinking of putting nvstudios in, I prefer how sorceror studios posts their artists work, seperated into several accounts
Hmm i posted one of friends minis, but just to see how you will rate it.
I don\'t have to good notes in here, about 5.0-5.4 but it\'s okay, i will post some new stuff and i think that it can\'t have a 6 ( all guys on coments sayed to me -1 becouse of no base, so i do a good base )
Form me it\'s doesn\'t matter becouse of my poor skills, maybe for someone good it can couse a problem..
Gorim
I don\'t have to good notes in here, about 5.0-5.4 but it\'s okay, i will post some new stuff and i think that it can\'t have a 6 ( all guys on coments sayed to me -1 becouse of no base, so i do a good base
)Form me it\'s doesn\'t matter becouse of my poor skills, maybe for someone good it can couse a problem..
Gorim
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syco-pyro
Guest
ive posted others work
i admit to posting others works BUT i dont take credit for it i post my brothers work 4 him becuase we share an e-mail account and u can only have one account per e-mail adress. ???i dont see what the big deal is but if evry1 doesnt like it i guess i will pull his picks off. the main reason i even post figs is just 4 the feed back i think evry1 needs feed back 4 thier work
i admit to posting others works BUT i dont take credit for it i post my brothers work 4 him becuase we share an e-mail account and u can only have one account per e-mail adress. ???i dont see what the big deal is but if evry1 doesnt like it i guess i will pull his picks off. the main reason i even post figs is just 4 the feed back i think evry1 needs feed back 4 thier work
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AAvH-Darkblade
Guest
Seperate Type of Account for Studios?
I just think it is very bad form to post someone else\'s mini on your own account. If you are doing it for a friend, get them a Hotmail account or something and they can have their own CMON account, and gain all the benefits and fun.
Perhaps there could be a special type of account, like a \"Studio\" account which would allow for this type of posting. The group could choose to have a \"Studio\" account and would undrstand that it would not appear in the regular rankings. Maybe a special CMON general account could be created where members could post their \"finds\" to. This might encourage too much of this type of posting and would have to be monitored.
Just thinking out loud....
Cheers, Darkblade
I just think it is very bad form to post someone else\'s mini on your own account. If you are doing it for a friend, get them a Hotmail account or something and they can have their own CMON account, and gain all the benefits and fun.
Perhaps there could be a special type of account, like a \"Studio\" account which would allow for this type of posting. The group could choose to have a \"Studio\" account and would undrstand that it would not appear in the regular rankings. Maybe a special CMON general account could be created where members could post their \"finds\" to. This might encourage too much of this type of posting and would have to be monitored.
Just thinking out loud....
Cheers, Darkblade
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AAvH-Darkblade
Guest
a follow up...
I agree with this and if that is truly the core purpose of the site it should weigh in heavily against my idea for a \"Studio\" type account.
Darkblade
I agree with this and if that is truly the core purpose of the site it should weigh in heavily against my idea for a \"Studio\" type account.
Darkblade
RE: newspapers printing pictures of artwork ... at something like a gallery opening it is acceptable to take pictures of the event, where you might have people and artwork in the photo, to show a scene from the event. Group shots, and shots where the art is clearly \'background\' don\'t usually require permission. If you are going to highlight a certain artists work by printing a bad black and white photo of his painting, you ask permission. It\'s a reproduction, even a bad one, and it\'s his decision to make not yours. I\'ve met more than one \"artist\" who did not want his or her \"art\" in the paper or magazine. Most folks are thrilled to be in the local paper, some are not, and the photo decision is ultimately theirs.
As for this site, I expect that any miniatures posted either belong to or were painted by the poster. The owner/painter has the right to distribute images of his work. I don\'t have a problem with people who post miniatures their friend or brother painted. That implies you got permission. The ratings don\'t mean that much to me, personally, a bad scan or photo can really distort what you think you are seeing. I don\'t care to see \'hey i found this on some guys website isn\'t it kewel!\' posts by people who didn\'t do the painting, sculpting, or scanning of the miniature.
As for this site, I expect that any miniatures posted either belong to or were painted by the poster. The owner/painter has the right to distribute images of his work. I don\'t have a problem with people who post miniatures their friend or brother painted. That implies you got permission. The ratings don\'t mean that much to me, personally, a bad scan or photo can really distort what you think you are seeing. I don\'t care to see \'hey i found this on some guys website isn\'t it kewel!\' posts by people who didn\'t do the painting, sculpting, or scanning of the miniature.
Chern Ann
Only when they're green
Just a notice, as I was browsing I came across Suske\'s account which is primarily stuff from another painter, with pictures from White Dwarf. Although I don\'t particularly mind sharing of the excellent picture, it\'s not really fair if Suske is included in the overall rankings, so for the time being he won\'t be.
G I B B O N
New member
Just look at that!!!!
:flame:???
Look at that guy. And read carefully, what he wrote \'bout that mini. That sucks. How is it possible to steal pics directly from GW online site and place \'em here telling everyone: ooouch.., it was a hard job for me, took me months to do it or something similar. Check this out: http://www.coolminiornot.com/?id=24170
:flame:???Look at that guy. And read carefully, what he wrote \'bout that mini. That sucks. How is it possible to steal pics directly from GW online site and place \'em here telling everyone: ooouch.., it was a hard job for me, took me months to do it or something similar. Check this out: http://www.coolminiornot.com/?id=24170
ZaPhOd
Super Moderator
Outright Dumb
Artists should definately post their own work if they plan on counting towards ratings or anything like that. Posting other work (with permission of course) would be fine HOWEVER, the scores shoul dnot reflect anything towards that person\'s account. I agree that high calibre studios employing many great artists should have seperate accounts as most of us simply can\'t keep up with the volume of outstanding work that they can pump out! Of course, ratings and all the competition that comes from them are more important to some folks than others. Personally, I could give a rat\'s ass about them nowadays, but that\'s just me.
Dragyn has a great point, and as one of the painters he mentioned, I don\'t care at all! After all, he probably put more time in on the excellent conversion work than I did painting it... Either way, he asked me and I don\'t mind, just like I asked him and posted the pics on my site...
Of course, simply taking a pic from a catalog and willfully claiming it as your own is rude... I say willfully because anyone with half a dose of common sense would give credit. (that is a period at the end of that sentence)
Artists should definately post their own work if they plan on counting towards ratings or anything like that. Posting other work (with permission of course) would be fine HOWEVER, the scores shoul dnot reflect anything towards that person\'s account. I agree that high calibre studios employing many great artists should have seperate accounts as most of us simply can\'t keep up with the volume of outstanding work that they can pump out! Of course, ratings and all the competition that comes from them are more important to some folks than others. Personally, I could give a rat\'s ass about them nowadays, but that\'s just me.
Dragyn has a great point, and as one of the painters he mentioned, I don\'t care at all! After all, he probably put more time in on the excellent conversion work than I did painting it... Either way, he asked me and I don\'t mind, just like I asked him and posted the pics on my site...
Of course, simply taking a pic from a catalog and willfully claiming it as your own is rude... I say willfully because anyone with half a dose of common sense would give credit. (that is a period at the end of that sentence
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