Reaper, GW, someone else for yellow base coat/foundation line?

karpouzian

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I'm still not thrilled with the coverage I'm getting over a white primer with my reaper yellow HD paint... I've tried it both thinned and unthinned. It still looks... grungy, even with several coats. Do people like the GW foundations better, or maybe another line's yellow foundation coat?
 

Einion

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If you could get the Jo Sonjas locally they'd be worth trying as a direct comparison. Not worth the order if you had to get them online, for just one or two colours.

Yellows are of course notorious for not giving good coverage at the best of times. Have you tried any of the tricks for painting yellow, like mixing the first coats with white to improve opacity?

Einion
 

RuneBrush

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New GW Averland Sunset is a good base - it's less mustardy than the old Iyanden Darksun too thank goodness. If you're after a really bright yellow you'd still need to use another yellow on top, but the coverage is spot on.
 

roninjr

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I agree with Loardroy, the Heavy Yellow from Vellejo is a great base but you can also do wonders with Andrea's Yellow Paint set. I bought mine at http://www.fantization.com/pre-order-yellowpaintset-boxsetx6paints.aspx It comes with six paints that work great for almost any application. I'm sure it will prove itself indispensable to you and anyone else who tries them. Heck, I like Andrea's sets so much I bought all of them. For me they are time savers. I love 'em.

Stay Frosty!
 

lordroy

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I agree with Loardroy, the Heavy Yellow from Vellejo is a great base but you can also do wonders with Andrea's Yellow Paint set. I bought mine at http://www.fantization.com/pre-order-yellowpaintset-boxsetx6paints.aspx It comes with six paints that work great for almost any application. I'm sure it will prove itself indispensable to you and anyone else who tries them. Heck, I like Andrea's sets so much I bought all of them. For me they are time savers. I love 'em.

Stay Frosty!

hey roaninjr, with that "Yellow paint set" do you use them at one time? I mean like an undercoat, then a topcoat, then a overcoat or...
 

roninjr

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Lordroy, first I must correct myself. Vellejo does not make a "Heavy Yellow". The color I was thinking of is Vellejo's "Heavy Goldbrown #72151" which looks like a heavy yellow, somewhere between yellow & brown. It is like all of Vellejo's Heavy Opaques, a very good base color to start off with.
Now, back to the question. Andrea's Yellow Paint set is a set of six yellow paints that go from a very light yellow and progress toward a much darker yellow. They are indeed paints and not a primer among them so you can use them as you described but it's true value lies in the way you can blend them into a very silky smooth transition with great ease. If you choose, you can go with the directions that come with the set, which is to start with the third or fourth shade as the base so you'll have either two lighter shades & three darker ones or vice versa. For me, if I have to paint something like a GW Imperial Fist Space Marine, I can just pull out this set of paints and without a great deal of mixing, paint it up with some fantastic results. Now, it's fast and easy to use but you can still do the same quality work by mixing your own shades of paint with other brands like Reaper or the Vellejo Model Color set. I have both compleat sets and have done so with each. However, Andrea's Paint Sets make it much faster and easier. Some colors are difficult to mix for newer painters. Take reds for instance. If you have a mini with a cloak you want to paint red, well you can base it with whichever shade of red you like but you can't just add white to it because it'll just turn it pink! To lighten a red you would need to add a tiny bit of yellow (three parts red w/one part yellow) or better yet a bit of orange (two parts red w/one part orange). You would then add your diluant/thinner & flow improver to the mix and continue the prosses until you have the results your looking for. This can take quite a bit of time and paint which can get expensive! For me, it's much faster and in the long run, cheaper to use Andrea's Red Paint set. I would recommend to any painter to buy a Pocket Color Wheel and the "color mixing bible" by Ian Sidaway. These two items are a godsend to me. I hope I wasn't too verbose and I hope I helped you.

Keep painting & Stay Frosty!
 

Einion

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One vital caveat with the Andrea paint set (this is common to all of them I believe, not just the yellow set): they're specifically created so that some of the colours have no direct equivalent within their regular range... so if you run out of one colour you have to buy an entire new set to keep using the system. This alone is enough to put some users off and it should, this sort of thing is blatant profiteering.


roninjr said:
Some colors are difficult to mix for newer painters. Take reds for instance. If you have a mini with a cloak you want to paint red, well you can base it with whichever shade of red you like but you can't just add white to it because it'll just turn it pink! To lighten a red you would need to add a tiny bit of yellow (three parts red w/one part yellow) or better yet a bit of orange (two parts red w/one part orange). You would then add your diluant/thinner & flow improver to the mix and continue the prosses until you have the results your looking for. This can take quite a bit of time and paint which can get expensive!
You're overstating the difficulty here just a tad - for small amounts a simple mix can be done using the brush on the palette surface; doesn't have to take more than 30 or 40 seconds.

Highlighting reds is dead simple, there are three or four basic methods and none of them are complicated. Anyone who doesn't know them, well, that is what this forum is for :)

Einion
 

Jbickley00

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Jo Sonja's work well in yellow..you might also experiment with tri-art. Getting good coverage with yellows in artist paints is possible, but you have to use cadmium pigments. I'd only recommend this if you are very committed to yellow-like you play imperial fists.
A better way is to layer an ochre-tan color under your yellows and build them up from there. Adding a very light gray to your initial mix can improve things as well.
 
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