Rate my fluff! (Long >_>)

wingwong113

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Figured since I have an almost obscene amount of free time on my hands during the night shift, I\'d hop on and knock out the fluff for my army, and folks like yourselves could give out constructive criticism, questions, or comments on it so I can improve it all the more.

Brotherhood of the Red Rain - \'Siegebreakers\'
Primach : Rogal Dorn
Current Chapter Master : Reverant-Master Casio MkVellar, Venerable Dreadnaught

After the incident at Iron Cage, an attempts for the self-scorned Dorn to redeem himself and his legion through combat, Rogal agreed (begrudgingly) to splinter his forces into manageable, Second Founding Chapters. The Fists were still seen as great warriors of seigecraft; as such, they were dispatched throughout the Imperium to bolster the defenses of many fortresses, only further gaining the respect of other Chapters in the process.

Their great enemy, the Iron Warriors, had long since retreated into the Eye of Terror, with their Primach-turned-Daemon Prince, Perturabo, but splinter fleets still existed, roaming the dark corners of space to wreak what havoc they could against the war-torn Imperial worlds. One such fleet managed to catch a small force of Imperial Fists emerging from the warp, battering them into a rout almost as soon as they appeared, forcing them back into the warp, unguided, with the enemy on their heels. Taking routes through the Empyrean to avoid near-defenseless settlements, the rear-most ship lagged behind in a brave, but vain effort to hold the enemy at bay whilst the rest dropped from warp space and evade the enemy in the remains of a shattered moon. The detonation of that vessal\'s warp drive, right at the moment the remaining forces were pushing into the Materium, caused near-catastrophic engine failure in all but a handful of the ships, most being pulped by the hive-sized rocks whirling through space while others made a crash-course for the planet below. Unable to track the smaller ships through the rubble of the broken moon, the Chaos forces returned to their maligned corner of space, leaving the Loyalist marines to die on the planet\'s surface.

Vedelex V, the planet upon which they landed, was a cold, barren world; already embattled with the tribal wars of lesser humans, unsaved by the benevolent God-Emperor. The men paused in their melee to glance to the skies, seeing thousands of crimson streaks marring the gray-blue skies, enemy clutched enemy as those streaks drove into the earth amidst them, babbling chants of protection to their false gods, as the bloodied, battered survivors climbed from the wreckage to take in the view around them. The natives, already superstitious in nature, dropped to their faces to worship the men from the sky, looking so advanced, so much more powerful than they. For the most part, the Fists ignored them in the coming weeks, even though the natives provided them with food, and supplies in which to help shelter them from the coming winter, tending to their own and trying feverishly to re-establish contact with the Imperium, but to little avail.

With only a few hundred brothers, they erected a modest bastion of their own, both to shelter themselves, to honour the fallen in the fight in space above so long ago, and to teach the humans which looked to them as gods the doctrines of Imperial rule. Even as ever-busy as they were, training themselves, or the natives of the planet; building and teaching; they started to grow disheartened that they would ever make it off the world to rejoin their brothers. After much deliberation, they formed their own brotherhood, much like the old warrior lodges, where one could voice opinions, complaints, ideas, thoughts, and feelings without fear of reprisal or judgement. At first, many were against it, as that was how the original Traitor Legioins fell from grace, but even a stalwart Space Marine suffered the mental rigors of being stranded. This was the start down the road to the forming of their own Chapter.

Years later, it became known to the Chapter Master that the natives, once per cycle, held a massive festival in their rocky caves, where much cheer and merriment took place. Never having heard it discussed amongst the students they took in to their Monastery, nor the elders upon their monthly meetings, he took a contingent of marines with him to investigate. Watching silently from the mouth of the cave, he saw one such elder standing behind a roaring fire, facing a crowd of wide-eyed youths and teens, depicting a story from ages past. He described how the people of the planet came together in one frightful moment at the coming of the Men of the Stars, \'like a bloody, red rain, staining the sky,\' that seeing these giant\'s plight, it reminded them of their own humanity. He smiled, and turned from the ceremony, sending his men ahead to gather their brothers in the chapel. The Master walked into the chapel hours later, Tactical Dreadnaught armour gleaming in colours alien to the fists, contrasting greatly with their long honoured scheme; black, green, and crimson. He announced the time for mourning and scraping a living for just themselves was at an end; having been reminded of his own humanity by the humans they helped lead, he reformed them into their own Chapter, \'The Brotherhood of the Red Rain\'.

Many took it as an ill-omen, but more took it with faith, knowing that their master had a plan to bring them salvation from the cold rock they were stranded upon, and so he did. Building machines were converted into drilling and refining devices, pulling promethium from beneath the planet\'s crust to fuel the ship they had patched together from spare parts and salvaged wreckage. Sending twenty men into the stars with hopes of redemption, Master MkVeller had faith that they would return bearing news of the worlds around them. But news didn\'t come, not for years, and the brotherhood again began to lose hope. It was only the screamed jeering of the natives that brought them from their bastion, looking skyward yet again: bright, crimson streaks.

Landers came, and once more, brother embraced brother; the Imperium had come at last. With warm smiles, they boarded the transport to return to Holy Terra, telling of their tale, while others opted to stay behind; this was their home, after all, newly forged, with people still needing their guidance. In the coming years, more transports came, delivering building supplies, machines, medicine, technology, and most notably, new recruits to the cold planet. With fiery hearts, they taught the raw trainees their particular art of siegecraft, and were given ample opportunities to test thier mettle in the thousands of years to come. Masters of the art of defense, they opted for a more frontal role; training to drop in behind the front lines of an enemy siege upon a loyalist city, and crush the opposition between themselves, and the cities defenses before disappearing back to the skies to strike at the line again.

Though small, the Brotherhood still exists to this day, aiding in the campaign at the Eye of Terror; forever waiting their chance to strike back at the Arch Enemy for stealing the life of their beloved Primarch.
 

nels0nmac

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Hi there. Definetly a good start and it has the right \"feel\" to it. Despite it being \"long\" I feel it needs more narrative to explain a few things - why and how they came upon the new style of fighting that you describe as opposed to standard Fists doctrine. Why the chapter master is a dreadnought and how he became one- unprecedented amongst the chapters unless I am mistaken.
So as I said a good start but need more fleshing out. Keep going:)
 

evil tendencies

Cake or Death?
Good story. I\'m going to nit-pick, but it\'ll be just that - minor stuff.

Why did the Fists allow this brotherhood to remain independent after they were reunited with the main chapter? Lysander was lost almost 1000 years and he went right back. I can think of a couple of good reasons (well, interesting, to me) for this offshoot being sanctioned, but I\'m hoping to see your answer.

Second, you mention that the Fists brought new recruits to bolster the brotherhood\'s numbers. Why were they not recruited from Vedelex V, as most other chapters do? Is this a holdover from Dorn\'s practice of recruiting from many worlds, or are the inhabitants of Veledrex unsuitable for induction?

Third, Nelson brought up a good point - I\'d love to know why the chapter master is a dreadnought. Even the Space Wolves are led by a man, despite the fact that Bjorn remembers the siege of Terra.

Fourth, you mention that a couple hundred Imperial Fist marines landed on Veledrex, and that this was after the reformation of the legion into chapters. A \"few hundred\" marines would mean two or three full companies under the codex organization scheme. When the Ultramarines or Crimson Fists lost this many men, it was a hugely traumatic event that shaped the future of the whole chapter. I think it\'s a cool idea, but you should know that some less-imaginative players might gripe about inserting something so big into the existing cannon. This can be avoided simply by saying that this was pre-Cage, before the codex was accepted. Nothing else in your story would have to change to make this possible, and (now that I think of it) this might also explain why they were allowed to become a separate chapter when they were reunited.

Finally, what is the time-frame? How long were they on the planet? How long did it take for the Fists to come back and help? I\'d be wary of making it too short a time, because that could raise the question \"how come these famously stubborn marines got so lonely after only two or three years?\"

As a closing note, I\'d like to say that this is amongst the best fan fiction I\'ve seen on the net for 40k. So many fan writers seem to think that a back-story for their chapter is just a tool to bring an over-powered force to the table. You aren\'t rehashing other old ideas either. I hope you keep revising this, because I want to hear more about these guys.
 

wingwong113

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Thank you both for the comments.

Stories are never \'first-time-go\'s\' in my experience, so diving into it a little more was obviously what was needed, but I needed some outside perspective.

You both raise some excellent questions too, and if it weren\'t for the fact that while writing the story on my 10th hour of a 12 hour shift, I likely would have covered them.

Let me see if I can answer a few of your questoins outright though.

why and how they came upon the new style of fighting that you describe as opposed to standard Fists doctrine?

Like I said, an excellent question. The change in fighting doctrine came when examining just how their latest and greatest battle with Perturabo took place. Laying siege to a vast fortress as such was almost suicide, considering what they were up against; just as Perturabo tired of trench-warfare and footslogging before turning heretical, the Chapter Master tired of flinging his men to their deaths against the walls of unholy bulwarks, when they were so scant in numbers. They changed to a modified defensive mindset, because of how many men they lost during the Iron Cage incident, he had no wish to see that many names on their Rolls of Honour inscribed at any one moment, ever again. As such, with their knowledge of siege warfare, they know just how a battle formation is going to be arrayed against a fortified position; knowing something as important as an enemies position and makeup to tear down such a fortification means that you know just how to pick it apart. In that, they could strike out in an offensive manner to take out particular assets, allowing wall-mounted Lascannons, or even aircraft, to pummel the foe before bolting off to take another stab at another flank, making the entire operation fold in on itself.

Why the chapter master is a dreadnought and how he became one

For this, I\'ll likely have to write another little blurb about it, but it shouldn\'t take me long to do. Wouldn\'t really do him justice if I just explained it, versus making it sound positively epic.

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Going to answer both questions at once here :

Why did the Fists allow this brotherhood to remain independent after they were reunited with the main chapter? Lysander was lost almost 1000 years and he went right back. I can think of a couple of good reasons (well, interesting, to me) for this offshoot being sanctioned, but I\'m hoping to see your answer.

Second, you mention that the Fists brought new recruits to bolster the brotherhood\'s numbers. Why were they not recruited from Vedelex V, as most other chapters do? Is this a holdover from Dorn\'s practice of recruiting from many worlds, or are the inhabitants of Veledrex unsuitable for induction?

Their Brotherhood remained independant from the Fists, because the Fists (who are staunchly loyal to their fallen Primach, Rogal Dorn) saw them as diverting from their teachings, though not necessarily from the loyalty to their Primach. Their willingness to abandon their colours and original teachings was seen as a bit of an outrage; while they both assosiate themselves with Rogal Dorn as their Primach, they are more than a little standoff\'ish towards each other because of this.

Their recruiting measures were one of the things that they did adhere to from previous doctrines laid down by Dorn, pulling from other, or outlying planets to ensure diversity of skill; you don\'t send a body-building heavy machinegunner to go sneaking through the wire of an enemy encampment to take out a high value target, you find a prior ganger or theif. It wasn\'t that they believed the inhabitants of Vedelex V weren\'t worthy, but they were still very tribal to their eyes, at least at first. The more the Marines stayed around, the more educated and advanced they became; I didn\'t cover -current- training doctrine in the fluff, just what they experienced originally.


Fourth, you mention that a couple hundred Imperial Fist marines landed on Veledrex, and that this was after the reformation of the legion into chapters. A \"few hundred\" marines would mean two or three full companies under the codex organization scheme. When the Ultramarines or Crimson Fists lost this many men, it was a hugely traumatic event that shaped the future of the whole chapter.

Indeed I did, and there\'s actually a particularly easy way to explain this : the event I mentioned that occured to these few hundred wayward marines happened after the Iron Cage incident.

The loss of these marines was one of the reasons the Imperial Fists took nearly 19 years to become minimally combat effective after the battle with Perturabo, and the Legion-to-Chapter split, since it was in such close proximity to both.


Finally, what is the time-frame? How long were they on the planet? How long did it take for the Fists to come back and help? I\'d be wary of making it too short a time, because that could raise the question \"how come these famously stubborn marines got so lonely after only two or three years?\"

Time frames after warp travel is hard to judge (Lysander being perfect proof of this), since after being so explosively catapulted from the warp, you never really know what \'time\' it is that you\'re coming out. In my mind\'s eye, I\'m thinking that it would had to have been at least 50-60 years, possibly more. The elder telling the story, the way I envisioned it, was actually there when the Marines landed, and was telling his first hand account of the story. Having it happen as \'ages past\' isn\'t hard to imagine, considering elders are typically made elders simply by living a hell of a long time; in tribal societies in a harsh climate, that\'s a bit of a rarity.

Short answer would be warp-time-fluxuation (if there was one)+ 60 years or so. It gives them the time to build, teach, learn, and apply their own ideas to the doctrine they already knew, fleetingly holding to hope that they would make it off planet to fight for the Emperor yet again.

As for the help that returned, I didn\'t necessarily say that it was the Fists that came to help them, just the Imperium. Again, judging by warp travel, it could have taken them a year or three just to reach an Imperial outpost with enough technology to shoot a message to the Navy, Administorum, or Munitorium, and several more for them to receive the landers that took some of them back off planet.

I plan on writing a little more tonight, but I hope that answers the majority of your questions; I\'ll probably think up something suitably epic for the Master as to explain why he\'s still leading, and encased in a giant metal tomb.
 

Undave

Flockwit
I\'ll just butt in and point out that \"Tactical Dreadnought Armour\" is actually the longwinded name for \"Terminator\" armour and had nothing to do with actual dreadnoughts.


Presumably just to be confusing :D
 

wingwong113

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By request...

..the fluff for just why/how my Master was made a dreadnaught.

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The scouts filed into the gray-lit room dressed in neophyte robes, plain in decor, seating themselves along mats that lined the walls. They were to be instructed on the Brotherhood\'s history that day, mentally trained just as their bodies had been physically trained; hardening it, strengthening it with knowledge of both faith in themselves, and that of their long standing history. Such a large room could have held twenty men standing shoulder to shoulder in either direction; the ceiling massive and vaulted, made of stone mined deep under Vedelex V\'s ice shelves. Their instructor, Master-Scout Klainth, stopped and stood vigil at the door, seeing the scouts-in-training murmur amongst themselves about their lesson, eyeing each other in bemusement at where their lecture will be coming from.

The rumbling coming from beneath them did little to visibly worry the trainees, but it was clear that they were searching for the source, both along the contours of the metal-plated floor, and the face of their Master-Scout. Neither gave hint to what the rumbling entailed. With a sudden hiss of released pneumatic pressure, plates in the floor slid toward the walls, revealing a circular, gaping chasm, the rumbling echoing up into the chamber above. Hydraulics churned and pumped from deep in the earth, raising the massive black chassis out of the vehicular storage bay below ground level. The steely lighting played off the dull metal in some places, revealing scars, shallow bullet holes, and a flurry of purity seals, the stamp of their Chapter festooned on the pauldron.

The trainees had yet to see something so large yet mobile, used for war, and were at a loss for words to describe what it was that laid before them. A crimson glow came from a slit across the metallic automaton\'s \'torso\', the body shuddering as it seemed to stand on pistoned legs, its clawed left hand clenching, rotating and relaxing, as the assault cannon on its right twirled fore-, then backwards to test itself. \"Greetings, Reverent-Master,\" Klainth said, bowing his head respectfully as the torso turned to face him. \"Grrreetings, Masterrr-Scout,\" a monotone, mechanical voice boomed from the chassis, \"I trrust all has been well while I slept...?\" Immediately realizing just what..or rather, who...it was that lay before them, the trainees laid themselves prostrate in reverence of one of the Chapter\'s most ancient of heroes: Reverent-Master Casio MkVellar.

The instructor chuckled lightly, \"All too quiet, my Lord. I yearn for a good fight, as do the Emperor\'s subjects before you, which is why I requested your presence today,\" the Master-Scout instructed, \"They must learn of honour, duty, and sacrifice before learn of combat. Our Chapter\'s legends are few, but who better to teach them of the greatest honour of all, than one who has received it?\" Some of the scout-trainees raised their heads to eye the exchange between man and machine, only to see the massive powerfist of the dreadnaught clench and whirl again before it spoke, \"Mm..Mm..Mmhhuhuhhuh...\" MkVellar laughed, as best his monotone voice could synthesize, turning to face the trainees lining the wall.

\"Beforrre I tell the tale, I must tell you how ourr Chapterr is rrrun...\" the dreadnaught explained, \"While I may be its ultimate authorrity, command is brroken down to individual company levels. Ourr company commanderrs lead as the Council of the Brrotherrhood, leaving morrre delicate decisions to its Masterr. Larrrge deployments to new campaigns rrequirre my apprrroval beforre commitment can be made..\" he trailed off, looking to the Master-Scout with a sudden clamp of his powerfist, \"Hopefully, rubbing off the wisdom and lessons learrned of warrs long past onto the commanderrs, from an old soldierr such as myself.\" At that, the Master-Scout laughed, merely bowing his head in respect afterwards.

\"My legacy starrrted on a molten worrld, nearr the Eye of Terrorrr. Chaos infrringed upon the Emperorr\'s domain, and we werrre called into serrvice by the Imperrial Navy...\"

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The campaign had been on-going for weeks, but the rock that bristled like weeds in a field was scorched black long before either force set foot on it. The allied fortress was built to withstand the repeated assaults of the few Black Crusades that ventured out from the tear in warpspace, but sustained siege was something it would soon succumb to. Artillery battered the walls, while long-ranged Lascannons slammed into defensive bunkers, trying to break through the shielding that hid the few defenders that remained to deny them entry.

The Brotherhood had struck several blows on other forces assaulting fortresses around the planet, but this was the most vital; on the bastion\'s interior housed the power generators to the ground based planetary defense batteries that kept the skies clear of enemy ships and aircraft. As such, Master MkVellar took personal charge of it, knowing if they could hold the defense platforms, they could deny the enemy reinforcements and push them off the planet. Suited in Tactical Dreadnaught armour, wielding a thunderhammer and a stormbolter, he and his personal retinue teleported just seconds before the main body of forces thudded into the flame-flecked, lava-formed ground, immediately thrust into fierce melee.

Realizing that the enemy was in their midst, the Chaos forces turned inwards, attacking the forces from all sides as the Brotherhood fought to break out from their landing positions to the key objectives assigned; hacking, slashing, shooting indiscriminately, and flinging themselves onto the weapons of the Space Marines in hopes of bringing just -one- of them down. Powerswords hummed and cut through the cultists as if they were made of air, while MkVellar\'s thunderhammer pulped and exploded the bodies\' of his enemies with every swing he gave; each shockwave released by the massive weapon sending scores huddling towards the ground, covering their ears from sheer concussive force. Stormbolter clunked and spat deadly fire into stronger, further-away targets as he crunched across the ground towards the deformed, Chaos-emblazoned Whirlwind artillery battery. Withering fire from primitive solid slug weapons plunked off the armour of his comrades as they advanced towards the battery and its more heavily armed crewmembers. The Chaos Marines spun in time to see their foe, chainswords singing an angry whine through the air, jabbering incomprehensibly in daemonic tongues as they jumped to meet the enemy. Out of the dozen Chaos Marines that leapt at them from the battery, only perhaps six made it to within striking distance, cut down by the return-fire of the Brotherhood before their bodies slammed into the retinue. Two Chaos Marines teamed up against one of the Red Rain, one undercutting his legs while the second drove his chainsword into the weaker armour lining the gorget of his helmet, nearly decapitating the Marine in the process. The daemonic marine\'s laughter was cut short as a powerfist punched straight through his torso, ripping the body apart in the crackling energy field, before its wielder spun to shouldercheck the other into a rocky outcropping. His powerweapon too slow to punch the lighter armoured marine in such close confines, he simply grabbed at the rock with his free hand, crushing the Chaos Marine into the spines of obsidian shards with the sheer weight of his body.

MkVellar muttered a prayer for the fallen as he approached the Whirlwind, the first strike of his hammer crunching the tracks of the battery into the chassis, before hammering hard on the top corner of the same side. The weak tank tracks on that side no longer able to support the weight of the battery, the blow from above caused it to topple sideways; another from-above strike sending the dormant missile pod into pieces around his feet. Checking the comm-bead, he could hear reports of resistance and success from other units in the surrounding area, and it was only the distorting crackle of static over the bead that warned him of the blow to come. With a near-off balancing sidestep, MkVellar dodged the huge metallic fist that bore down on him from above. Chaos dreadnaughts were being marched up the field to push back the attackers from their objectives, and this one had an eye for the Chapter Master.

With arms much longer than his own reach, MkVellar couldn\'t effectively strike back without exposing himself, and with his fellow Marines busy with the cultists surrounding them, all he could do was avoid the massive sawblade and close combat fist that swung at him from odd angles. His eyes hurt from so intently looking upon the Chaos-ensorcelled chassis, the icons making his stomach churn, static further filling his ears as he moved as best he could out of the way, his Terminator armour slowing him considerably. A lucky riposte from his thunderhammer crimped the sawblade in such a manner that it shredded itself against the housing it was attached to, though it only seemed to infuriate the already insane warrior piloting the daemonic machine, enraging it into a flurry of action.

So intently was MkVellar watching the incoming onslaught, that he didn\'t see the second dreadnaught close from his left, swinging hard into his back to send the Marine crashing into the chestplate of the first. The shock of impact seriously disoriented him, feeling the broken saw-arm clutching him to the chassis while the other dreadnaught closed in to cut him up from behind. By luck, or will of the Emperor, he underhand-swung his thunderhammer into the leg-piston of the dreadnaught clutching him, collapsing it under the weight of the massive Chaos machination. The way it collapsed caused it to roll, and the downward cut of the second dreadnaught caught the back of the first, causing the blade to stick. Seeing no other alternative to downing the two beasts, he disentangled himself from the crippled dreadnaught, turned, and swung. Straight into the ground.

The land wasn\'t entirely stable; most of it resting on a vast maze of lavatubes, with the crust being less than a dozen feet thick in some places. The repeated crashes and thunderclaps from the Master\'s hammer caused the obsidian latticework holding the crust together in that area to crack, and the sudden release of pressure forced lava up through those cracks. The dreadnaught\'s wailed as they fought to get free, to strike at the Marine who sought to bring them all down, repeatedly swinging his hammer into the shattering crust. A trickle of lava soon turned to a gush, and the more that poured into the deep crack, the quicker the flow got. The reaching of the still-standing dreadnaught won it some respite, cranking his sawblade free, only to force the fallen chassis to topple into the lava pooling between them. The lava seared off the governing couplers to the reactor, detonating it, and as a result, widening the crater enough that the second dreadnaught was swallowed in the lava flows before it could retreat.

In the resultant explosion, the sawblade of the second dreadnaught was ripped free and catapulted forward with titanic force. Even though MkVellar was flung free of the lava, the sawblade sheered straight through his armour and into his torso, cleaving halfway into his chest. Loyalist Marines found him, bloodied, burned, and clinging to life by sheer rage the Arch Enemy instilled within him, transporting him back to their Thunderhawk, but...

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\"...unforrtunately, most of my orrgans could not be saved. I sworre an oath upon this verry place; to watch overr this new Chapterr until my dying brreath. My brotherrs felt they still had much to learrrn..and I much to teach them...\" MkVellar went on, sounding tired after such a long telling, \"I was interred within this holy tomb, foreverr to fight on forr the Emperorr, until He sees fit to rrelease me from my charrge...\"

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Comments welcome!
 

nels0nmac

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This is lovely writing. At this rate you will be able to produce your own chapter Codex.
So the way I read it the Chapter master is kept in stasis for the most part; being awoken for important chapter matters and most likely only the most vital battles. There would have to be some kind of strategy bonus for battles where you could field him, to account for his years of battlefield knowldege.
On the whole the chapter is run by the company commanders, sorting out the \"day to day\" matters as a council. Might I suggest that the council has an inner \"court\", similar to that described for the Lunar Wolves in the novels ( for the life of me I can\'t remember the term used???).
The reason for the inner court is that having a council of 10 members can make it hard to make snap decisions, whereas the inner court could have more weight when it comes to making those important decisions without having to wake their chapter master.

It would be nice to have some back story about their change in tactics. Something of the battles that made them change their minds as to how they conduct themselves on the battlefield. With your skill for writing they would make a great addition to the \"Codex\".
 

wingwong113

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I actually intend to try to write my own codex at some point. All that I really require is constant access to something like an excel spreadsheet to list all the characters and troop choices, so I can flehs it out a little more.

As far as the company commanders and the Master go, that\'s correct. They handle day to day issues, communicating by Astropath where necessary, and wake the Master only for the most dire of circumstance. I\'m trying to figure out what sort of bonus he should give, should he ever be fielded in a game, and what his statline should be like. I\'ll have to try to find myself a Space Wolves codex to take a look at Bjorn and base the line off of him.

So far, my little mini-codex (which, once I get back to the states, I might get bound and printed for my own use) only has the two characters : Reverent-Master MkVellar, and Master-Scout Klainth.

Thoughts and suggestions for others to include?
 

porkchop806

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ohh ooh strenguard and vanguard count astroop choices....maby ppl wouldnt let you do that ....but i would that game would hard diffcult and awsomly bad ass :bouncy:
 

nels0nmac

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Things like troop choices and characters work best when they enhance the style and background of the chapter. Something extra with the vanguard in mind fits in with their desire to crush the assaulting enemy from behind,maybe they count as troop choices or they have to deploy in a droppod / from a thunderhawk ( bit expensive for gaming though:( )
With that in mind a lesser character such as a vanguard sgt might make a good addition to your list. Or a chaplain who is rousing the troops to stay staunch in their defense of their bastion.

With regards to units I am thinking that they would perhaps be less inclined to use ground based vehicles as they are not much good behind fortified walls and would find it hard to break through enemy lines. I see them as favouring more airborne units and drop pods to see them safely over the enemy lines to attack from behind.
Maybe scout squads have become adept at sneaking through unnoticed.

Anyway theres a few things for you to think about:D
 

wingwong113

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I actually already have a thunderhawk in mind, though that was for my Grey Knights army... I guess I\'ll have to buy a second! xD

Vanguard would likely work, and I like the idea of a chaplain. As for vehicles; yes, they tend to shun the use of them, minus the occasional dreadnaught or whirlwind battery.

It\'s all something I\'ll have to take into perspective. I still have a couple of blurbs I want to write, first being the Master-turned-Dreadnaught kicking ass, the second being a jump to the past on their tactics diversion.
 
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