pre heresy thousand sons and daemons ?

[Beefy]

can the pre herey thousand sons have daemons like horrors/Flamers/lord of change because they are still tzeentch aren\'t they ?

 

[rosac]

na they can\'t, coz the emperor would have them executed if they did and he found out. they do delve into psychic secrets, so daemon weapons could simply be psycically charged weapons

 

[tide of khorne]

They weren\'t tzeentch before the heresy.

 

[Beefy]

thx for that i think i might have to go with the tzeentch thousand sons cos ive just painted up some horrors be on my CMON page soon:cussing:

 

[Bengoodall]

Well, do you want a space marine army, or a chaos army?

Id be happy to play against a pre heresy space marine legion using space marine rules.

But if you want daemons, youll have to go with post heresy.

 

[Beefy]

ive always wanted to do a chaos one because i like all daemons:twisted:

 

[Bengoodall]

Theres your choice then.

Mind, I dont think theres anything in the rules saying you HAVE to have them painted up in a certain paint scheme to be anything.

You can paint things blue and call them dark angels if you want.

 

[TaurenMoo]

pre heresy the thousand sons had a high amount of psykers and even before the heresy dabbled in daemonic sorcery... but to openly deal with daemons was still seen as less than \"kosher\" from what I have read. It was only after their primarch magnus the red (born missing a single eye...), a powerful psyker used daemonic sorcery to send a message (as opposed to astrotelepathy) to the emperor... he was viewed as a traitor... from there it kinds went down hill... and eventually lead to not only the restrictions and introduction of psykers and librarians into chapters but chaplains to watch over and make sure nothing dark becomes of a chapter... At the fight between Leman Russ (chapter master of the space wolves) and Magnus, magnus was winning but Russ nearly killed him and in his last moments magnus sealed the deal with tzeentch, and their city and the thousand sons were transported to the eye of terror...

additionally their symbol was different as well. Even pre-heresy they did have sorcerers and psykers intertwined... ... since they were not watched over as most chapters are are post heresy it leaves it kinda open... take a look here for a sorta collection of info...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Sons

 

[Yetie]

Theres also little bits and bobs in the Horus Heresey about them and their dablings. Dont want to say too much as I may spoil plots etc but if you want more info PM me

 

[Beefy]

so i could still paint pre heresy but use them as chaos thousand sons?

 

[Roger Bunting]

As far as I know, yes, even in an official GW tourney.

 

[Torn blue sky]

Even a technicallity.
They would still look pre heresy after the pact with tzeench was made. No biggie

 

[TaurenMoo]

True but keep in mind their colors changed, and instantly after the deal with tzeentch was sealed them and all their kind were transported to the eye of terror... kinda makes it hard for them to be fighting anyone...

Beyond that also keep in mind at some point the rubric ritual occured turning most of their numbers into mindless automations that follow their sorcerer leaders.

 

[Beefy]

thanks for the help on this and ill try and get some pics up soon of my horrors and hopefully some pre heresy thousand sons
But does anyone know what kind of helmets i should use on the marines and terminators or just keep them the same as normal marines