overload

[theplatypodes]

When you play cards with a star that are less then +4 ie +2 does the upset card work on the face value or the new doubled number?

 

[mcs1213]

Upset works on the card face value not the adjusted total. So if the Klockwerkers overload a +2 it is not upset.

 

[locusshifter]

Upset works on the card face value not the adjusted total. So if the Klockwerkers overload a +2 it is not upset.

Are we sure this is correct? Overload doubles the value of the card, not the total. So, a +2 start becomes a +4, etc, right? I honestly thought Upset would work as a minor balance against Overload given how powerful it is.

 

[mcs1213]

The balance for Overload is the damage it does to the Klockwerker who activated it. I understand where you are coming from but my understanding is Upset works on an energy card of +4 or higher. So the example of a +2 or +3 would not activate the Upset auto win by 3. Just like a stim pack does not activate the Upset ability.

 

[locusshifter]

The balance for Overload is the damage it does to the Klockwerker who activated it. I understand where you are coming from but my understanding is Upset works on an energy card of +4 or higher. So the example of a +2 or +3 would not activate the Upset auto win by 3. Just like a stim pack does not activate the Upset ability.

2 things:

1- If you have Hardy the damage is irrelevant

2- Why is the wording different on Stimpack and Hardy then; just poor wording? Stimpack says it doubles the Total, while Overload says it doubles the Value, which is why I question it.

 

[mcs1213]

Great use of Hardy btw.

I still say the that Overloading does not trigger Upset. Now that I have the card in front of me and it comes down to semantics. Upset says "+4 or higher energy card or a dead card" while overload does double the value of the card it is still a +2 or + 3 energy card.

TLDR: Bad/inconsistent wording.

 

[locusshifter]

Great use of Hardy btw.

I still say the that Overloading does not trigger Upset. Now that I have the card in front of me and it comes down to semantics. Upset says "+4 or higher energy card or a dead card" while overload does double the value of the card it is still a +2 or + 3 energy card.

TLDR: Bad/inconsistent wording.

An I agree that the wording could be at fault; and likely is. Cthulhu has wording that might lead you to believe that you need to discard 1 card for each figure you want to prevent from being knocked down, but it was clarified otherwise, and just bad wording.

 

[joshuareubens]

I don't have the words in front of me but doesn't stim pack double the total (thus adding in all other bonuses) while the Overload ability only doubles the value of the card? Is that why they are worded differently? Or I could just be totally off...

 

[Loophole Master]

No, you're right, joshua. That is the differerence between Overload and Stimpack, one doubles the card, the other doubles your total. Upset is still only concerned with the actual printed value of the energy card played, and that does not change.

 

[locusshifter]

No, you're right, joshua. That is the differerence between Overload and Stimpack, one doubles the card, the other doubles your total. Upset is still only concerned with the actual printed value of the energy card played, and that does not change.

Thanks for making it clear that Upset only looks at the printed value. That's certainly one for the FAQ.

 

[TheFalcon]

Definitely missed the total vs value difference. We'd been applying Stim bonus to just the face value card and not the contest total. Good to know!