Okay time to rant

[nadinbrzezinski]

There are two things that are bugging me right at the moment but will deal with them with only a single rant. The first issue and I know has been beaten to no end, is what seems to be quite capricous voting by some who do not take the place in the spirit it is meant. These folks, whoever they are, will vote down minis just for the hell of it. I usually do not take the numbers seriously but alas after a model that locally got the local \"Hired brush\" going wow can you teach me how you did this (Did I mention he wins painting contest including the GD sword on a somewhat regular basis) ... as well as others, getting on avergage a 4.5, I am starting to suspect that there are three things determining how a mini perfroms... and yes I will list them.

1.- Fantasy vs sci fi, fantasy will do better hands down.

2.- Rackham and GW will do better as well, so any other line don\'t bother. And yes this is an unintended message.

3.- Trick photography and other added doodads, as well as bases. Some bases are simply amazing but the model itself is not that good.

Oh and do not get me started on things like NMM, and other highly developed skills. You know funny thing happened on the way to the forum, you realize how many of the hired brushes for many a company out there are NOT using NMM, and they ARE making a living doing this?

Now for the second rant, folks a miniature or a model of anything is defined by smaller than real world scale. So unless you are posting a photo of your dog, which is a 1:1 scale, and quite alive, they are models... they are miniatures.

I have seen this being said by several folks, but those are busts and quite larger and do not require the same skill... you know what? can it. Why? It takes different skills to get a larger model to look good than a smaller model. Hell if I wanted to be annal retentive, I have been painting 1\\286th scale (microarmor) for most of my life and just recently, relatively speaking, did I pick the technically speaking 30 mm European scale (GW) and then went for the slightly smaller 25 mm heroic scale (Reaper)... so you know what? By the arguments that some are making, these are not minis either, and only my mircroarmor scale is a mini. I am using the same argument and as you can see it does not hold water either.

Now what I have heard from some, and I am tempted to do the same, is that some people simply do not post their minis. As is folks I am tempted to just bring that gallery down... why? Well it is frustrating when I see a model from a certain brand that is quite honestly a piece of shit ranked at six or seven, when another model from another brand which is far better technically ranked quite lower. So think about this and start judging the mini, not the brand or the genre.

CAVs and other mechanical pieces are just as hard to do well. Larger models require other skills to do better, and do not let special photograhy or bases oohh and aaahh you into saying this is great. Now I am far more liberal and far less jaded than most of you. Many a model that is at 8, (regardless of rank) I usually give it a ten because it deserves it. I also tend to post comments, and not hide behind teh annonimity of just pressing a number.

Oh and I have also given lower numbers to those minis that quite frankly are not that great, but seem to do better because they are from a certain brand. So yes, if you have not been able to tell, this is bugging me and in the next few days I will decide whether to just pull a gallery off the site... why? I personally have heard people who do this profesionally say that those minis are not bellow table top quality... and quite frankly I have other things to do than try to get photos up only to be pounded into snot because they are not from the \"prefered lines\" why am I bothering?

I like to share my hobby with others, and if people were a tad constructive I woudl say ok... so that is the problem. But there is not even that. Just the very capricouos lets vote this mini down... and reminds me of the old boys club that was a local con. It was a place where the same people won every time, and I was told that a model of mine did not place well due to \"lack of attention to detail\" the winner of that category had no shading, no blending, and the eyes were skin color. After that I never again entered a model into that particular competition... and I am getting the feeling that I might just do that here. After all I am doing somethign for the hobby by teaching others how to paint, but I used to recomend that they post here askng for advise. I am not even bothering to mention the site no more, becuase i do not want a new, young and bushy eyed painter to put his or her brushes down becasue they feel discouraged, not because of what they are seeing from the top artists (who get my full respect) but by being esencially told your work is crap.

Nadin

 

[Mahon]

I must say that I agree with you in many a matter, Nadin.

First - I also noticed that some models shouldn\'t be compared - on the photo a bust or a 120mm mini and a 25 mm mini might look the same - but their quality is different.
And one picture makes you go \"wow\" while another leaves you unsatisfied.
But there were times when I thought that the mini was larger than it actually was - because that\'s the matter of how many times it is magnified (or shrunk) on the photo.

I tried to judge different categories (scales) differently, but I got lost in my own system eventually.

And I agree with you that Rackham and GW minis increase the chances of scoring more points - as I paint mostly GW minis I found that Rackham\'s ones are simply better - they are bigger and have more details, the potential of becoming really good.

I personally think your problem is in the photos - the colours are washed out and the photos don\'t look sharp enough - and this makes people think the minis are crap. I voted on your miins and tried to see how the minis look from those pics - they surely should be above 4.5! And the following pictures confirmed my opinion.

And I also found that there are several (or more) \"jockers\" who lower people\'s scores - it was more than once that I found a mini with rating of about 7 and more than thirty votes lost about 0.2 from 1 vote. Somebody\'s vote must have been something like a 1, and I don\'t think any of my minis is that poor.
Stupid jokes...

And how many times I found that my pictures were the victims of such jokes all at one time...

Don\'t worry and keep posting stuff! There are many people willing to see it!

And as for those \"trick photos\" and bases:
I often admire sophisticated photo techniques but the matter is: what are we to judge?
1 - is the paintjob good?
2 - is the mini itself cool?
3 - does the model as a whole impress us?
4 - is the thing converted well?
5 - is this an interesting idea?
6 - does the pic look good?
7 - do we like the mini?

ad 2 - there are many cool minis produced, but sometimes take a normal, standard mini and make it great - their effort should be rewarded, but I\'m not familiar with all the minis from all around the world, and I often do not know if someone needed to convert it or just bought it
also some scratchbuilt or sculpted minis are worse than professionally made ones, but the greatest thing about them is that people do them by theirselves - and it impresses me
ad 5 - I\'ve sometimes been torn between good idea and poor execution of one\'s mini
ad 6 - it\'s not \"cool photo or not\" but the photo is essential for us to be able to judge the mini
ad 7: I\'ve read comments like \"I like dwarfs so let it be an 8\"...

and about the bases - good bases improve the looks of minis but again:
cool mini with great base or a good mini with crappy base?

I could continue for a long time, but have to work a bit...

 

[Dragonsreach]

OKay time to rant

I agree with both of the above.
Having been a GD Finalist Twice I\'m happy with my work. (Trying to improve all the time). However to see mini\'s with better painting quality than mine and given low score bugs me.
When I score, I like to post a comment. At the moment I don\'t feel qualified to comment on some figures which obviously need more skill developing, The owners obviously are proud of them so I do not wish to deflate any fragile ego\'s. But as the moderators say this site is for fun and to help develop our skills.

Why then, are there some people who vote according to prejudice on a particular brand, or genre of model. I came across this same bias many years ago in photography competitions, where judges and some competitors were strongly bias\'d against types of work. My Photos were strongly influenced by Ansel Adams, and on one particular competition my photos were rubbished by destructive comments along the lines of \'It\'s just a landscape\'...Which was my point exactly..I was and to an extent still am a landscape photographer.

Now I like Marines, I Guard, Eldar, Fantasy, Dragons (like you couldn\'t guess) Historical, Modern & SI-FI. But I put up on the site those minis I\'m happiest to have painted. This is my choice.
I would like to be considered as good a painter as Jen Haley, Phillipe or Honza, but there\'s a large skill gap (ok Abyss) between us, and I\'ve got about as much chance as the proverbial snowball. But I put pictures up to see If I\'m improving or not and to see If other people can appreciate what I am trying to achieve.

Now, If those persons who vote down deliberatley had the \'courage\' of their convictions they would post a comment. I would be happier, because then I and others could then disregard the bitching and accept the constructive criticism. But like so many they seem to hide in crowds happy to snipe via poor scores.

In retrospect, I feel sorry for these low score snipers who must have such a poor opinion of their own work that they have to tear down other peoples work.

My appreciation and respect goes to the moderators who try to keep this whole site and the interest going despite the negative scorers. Keep it up, there are people who still vote properly and with consideration.

 

[VonStrom]

Rant

I agree. Thigs that I have done well with locally in painting comps and tournaments werent getting a 6, But thats cool.
I think perhaps you should set it up where people can not just vote. but must leave a comment as well. this would stop the anonimity and push people to be accountable for their votes.

VonStrom

 

[Coyote]

I\'m not saying that there isn\'t a bias, or that people aren\'t voting down.

But take a good close look at Haley\'s minis. Or Bobby Wongs

The photography is crystal clear, the lighting is perfect.

The next time you wonder why the grand high poobah of figure painting if your hamlet rates your mini a 15000, yet you\'re only getting a 6 here, compare your photography with those that have the really high scores.

Even an almost inperceptable blur will lower your score by 2 points.

 

[number9]

brand bias

We all look to put our best foot forward, and oftentimes we only display our best work. Rackham and Games Workshop arguably produce most of the best 28-30mm miniatures out there for the sci-fi/fantasy genre. Given the latent atmosphere of showmanship on this site, doesn\'t it stand to reason that the best paint jobs would be found on the best sculpts? If I\'m looking to show off all my fancy blend work or freehand script detail work or NMM, I\'m not going to post Epic 40k models, or any of my 15mm work. People want to reward great effort and if that great effort isn\'t apparent, it isn\'t rewarded. Rackham and GW minis are very recognizable to this community and thus good work is more readily recognizable and more readily rewarded, also the amount of detail and the quality of the casts are quite excellent, wouldn\'t you want to paint the best product to show off your best work?

Of course taste and opinion varies, and it would be ideal if we could all be a bit more objective in our recognition and adulation of varied works, but people in general vote more favorably and honestly on that which they are most familiar with.

Personally I could care less about the numbers I get for the pictures I post. I am proud of the work I do and the progress I have made over the years. This site provides me an immense amount of inspiration to improve my own efforts and share my ideas with others. No one but the artist really knows the effort put into the figures displayed, and sometimes that effort is apparent and sometimes it isn\'t. Snappy photos, elaborate bases, extravagant well known sculpts, whatever, in my eyes are attempts by an artist to communicate with an audience about patience, attention, color, feeling, and detail, and the above \"extras\" can enhance or detract, BUT are still an integral part of miniature display for judgement.

I\'m babbling now. My point is, value the site for the work you see and the ideas they inspire, not the numbers. If you use this site for advertisement of painting services, and those numbers are important to your business, well, you\'ll just have to endure the subjective opinions and arbitrary judgements of the rank and file that cruise this site every day.

--number9

 

[Errex]

I suppose that it all boils down to what makes a minin cool, again.

Fiist, let me say that a photograph of a mini NEVER looks as good as the real thing. There is simply too much left out when attempting to capture one of those figs.

Fact is, a technically perfect paintjob would not get much higher than 6 if it is not applyed to a cool sculpt. And on the other hand, even a Rackham will get numbers below 5 if the paintjob is lacking.

There are some definite trends that for a while annoyed me, but managed to get around after a while.

a) NMM?, Done, but I still prefer regular metallics.

b) Fancy bases?, Can Do, but I won\'t go to the extreme of using those woodden blocks.

c) Image Processing? Yes, I had to learn about that too.

My point is, I would have never tried any of this on my own if not for this site.

In that respect, seeing the work of others has inspired me to develop within my hobby, and for me that\'s the important thing, and not so much the numbers I get (Still, the rating system is broken, but that material for another rant).

 

[nadinbrzezinski]

Well after the rant as it were

People suddently started telling me what the problems were, which is all I wanted... so thanks... getting better with the camera ever so slowly.

 

[Mahon]

Nadin, your pictures are much better after adjusting the levels!

 

[Chrispy]

Wel, here\'s how I rate my votes, usually:
1 - pic breaks monitor, this I do not usually give ou, but every now and then there is a pic that is soooo ugly I can\'t stand it.

2 - Primed, base colors, also unglued, chipped, and other yucky jobs go here. Usually there is no highlights or shading here, but since it\'s just base colors, perhaps the soul of the mini can be saved.

3 - As #2, but this time with harsh highlights with no blending or colors between the two that need to be blended, also very blurry #4\'s...

4 - Close to RaF, based and drybrushed but small things like too much sealer, big staring eyes, and no color balance make this below standard.

5 - Almost the minimum I give, this is RaF standard to me. It is based, highlighted and shaded with small details like eyes and nails at least picked out. Color variations and cleaner colors keep it from a 6.

6 - RaF with a bunch more details, eyes are painted better and give the feel of looking somewhere, some other details like texture on wide flat areas make this get a higher score.

7 - Sellable. People I give a 7 to should be able to at least get thier money back for the fig, but this is not yet a masterpeice. Doing an okay NMM helps to get this..

8 - Colors are nice, pic is bright NMM is good or metal is nice and smooth. Scenic bases help for this here...

9 - Colors are tied together and the mini is pleasent to look at. This, in my opinion, would win a painting contest like the Golden Daemons, if not place.

10 - The hardest to unanimously get, I reserve a 10 for those that totally blew my mind. These are the ones I get on my hands and knees to the artist and say \"Teach me, master!\"

Well, I don\'t automatically give higher points for NMM or if it is fantasy, but I will give points for being unique. EX: If you paint to GW standard color for color on a certain mini, the most you\'ll get from me is an 8, as you lack origniality.....

 

[Mahon]

it seems that the people discussing this topic have similiar scales (check also the \"methods of voting\" topic) - but why don\'t those \"low score snipers\" tell about about their methods? ??? lol

And in reply to Dragonsreach\'s post: I\'m one of those persons who post not only those best things we are proud of. I post things whan I want to know what people think about them.

That\'s the reason I posted the terminator - ths mini is terrible, the paintjob isn\'t bad IMHO. I wanted to know what people think: can an ugly mini have a good score? The answer is: yes it can, but not a great score.

That\'s also why I posted the photos of Isabella von Carstein - the mini was heavily damaged during removing paint (eg. the face was also removed with the paint ,and the surfaces became very rough) before I got it. And I decided to try paint it so that it could look good. And I wanted to know what you think about it. It\'s not getting any astonishing scores but I know how good you consider it is.

You can see I\'m posting stuff rather for seeing your opinions than for getting applause.

Well, BTW I like applause

 

[The Raging Gaijin]

Waitaminnit...

I\'m in a rush but I want to ask one question to Nadin.

Nadin, you\'ve posted low scores to minis that are painted to the 9\'s. (A Balrog immediately comes to mind.) So the question I ask is: Are you voting down minis that fit the criteria stated in the original post?

Again, tonight after work I\'ll post more. Nothing against you Nadin, I\'ve just seen your commentary from time to time and IMO I see a bias toward the criteria stated in the original post.

The Raging Gaijin

 

[Lowrianne]

I know I am new to painting but the scoring does seem odd. This is about how I try to judge

1-2 mostly naked mini.... you ask yourself did they try to paint it?
3-4 -- Hey, they have guts to put that up here.
5 - anything that can survive the gaming table, covered in reasonable paint colors, faces are one color, clothes another
6 - shading, details, nice work
7 - I look at it and say OOhhhh
8 - I look at it and say WOW
9 - I look at it and say OMG!
10 - I look at it and cry.

 

[nadinbrzezinski]

Absolutely not. If a mini does not do it for me, and is not techbnically (At least imho) where it is... I will vote my heart. I do not vote lines, but the mini itself... there are some minis that are not that good that are getting high marks and there are some that are very good that are getting low marks.

So there your answer.

Now I could have done the I wil not show you what I think... but unlike those who VOTE down out of spite, I do post.

nadin

 

[The Raging Gaijin]

Er....

Nadin wrote: there are some minis that are not that good that are getting high marks and there are some that are very good that are getting low marks.

And the Gaijin replies: So good minis are getting low marks depending on your mood. And the commentary is very brief from what I\'ve seen; nothing that would give constructive criticism on what to do better.

Nadin wrote:
I usually do not take the numbers seriously but alas after a model that locally got the local \"Hired brush\" going wow can you teach me how you did this (Did I mention he wins painting contest including the GD sword on a somewhat regular basis)

Gaijin wrote: There is only one person who has won the Slayer Sword more than once IIRC. I\'ll have to check the WDs to ensure I have this correct. So if this person did ask you that, then feel proud! You probably hit upon something that has been stymiing him for years; it\'s amazing what we learn when viewed from a different angle.:bouncy

Onto the original post.

1) CMON is a forum to display minis to the general populace. And with many in this populace there are aspiring painters and there are people that don\'t paint, but shop at NWMO. For both groups there are people that wouldn\'t know a well painted mini even if it came up and bit them on the ass. So when they vote, they vote in an uneducated manner. This will probably bring the votes down as they don\'t know what they are doing. So since the majority of viewers are the unwashed masses, to coin a phrase, CMON should be seen as a way to get images of your minis out to the public, and disregard what the scores are.

2) No matter what happens, there will be Fanboys. Nothing wrong with that, I\'m a Fanboy of certain things: Viewaskew, comic books, Star Wars and GW. There are people who are ardent fans of Reaper, Confrontation, and GW. There are people who are loyal fans to Haley, Shaw and Wong. So if two GW minis were painted to the same level, and one judge liked GW while the other like Reaper, there would be dissenting opinion on whether it was \'cool\' or not. And for the painters, there is a herd mindset that if it is painted by Haley/Shaw/Verzani/etc., it *has* to be good. :|~ *chuckles* This sheep mindset causes a cliquish behavior, and to go against the group could create backlash. Not everything is good just because it was painted by a certain painter. (Examples and reasons can be given!) As I said on the mini-painter list, these painter\'s abilities are like sex: When it\'s good, it\'s great. When it\'s bad, it\'s still pretty good!

3) Speaking of cliques, there is a cliqueish gathering of mini-painters that can be viewed daily/nightly on the Chat forum. It is reinforced on the actual images and the commentary. There are people who will post AttaBoy commentary regularly with 9s or 10s who are regulars in the Chat room. (They should call it Cheers... *chuckles*) This padding of scores doesn\'t help people who aren\'t in the clique or as well known from Ebay or Mini-Painter.

4) Emotions also play a part. We shouldn\'t base our self worth off of what people think about a mini, but it\'s a labor of love some times! I know I can\'t help but invest a bit of myself in each mini I paint! It hurts when some stranger knocks your mini, or gives scathing commentary. Which could lead to retribution scoring and/or commentary.

These are some of the reasons I\'ve come up with over the course of the day, and I\'ve taken commentary from a local list that voiced opinions I agreed with.

As for Nadin, I\'ve checked your images and this is what immediately comes to mind. (Now understand this is unsolicited advice, so take it with a grain of salt knowing I mean nothing mean, or disregard it. Either way is fair.)

1) The pictures don\'t do the mini justice. I can tell there is highlighting, but the blurriness is doing the blending. I can tell it is painted using complimentary colors, but they are diluted with yellow. (A perfect example is your Dire Wolf. I can tell there was a lot of work to get the coat to a realistic look, but it\'s blurred. And I can\'t tell if you did the eyes, etc.) It might be helped with better lighting, (see Honza\'s tutorial. It gets the Raging Gaijin Seal of Approval: Kick Ass!) Or try a scanner to get images of your minis. Put it on a scanner under a white box that will reflect the light back onto the mini. I used this technique early on and it worked until I was able to upgrade to a camera.

2) Bases aren\'t completed. Paint a color around the rim. And never, never leave unpainted stone/gravel on the base. It is jarring to the eye to have a mini that is painted, and then something that *is* natural next to it. It seems wonky to the eye and our cerebral bitz pick that up. I was taught early on: Paint Everything.

3) Faces are muddied. This could be the pictures. The eyes look like they are wide eyed. (Anize Silverbell is one example.) Jen Haley did a great tutorial on faces. (Once more with the Raging Gaijin Seal of Approval: Kick Ass!)

These are a few things I immediately noticed. And the only way to get better is to practice, practice, practice. I am reminded of the runner who used to beat everyone in his town competitions, then went to the State competition and lost. The only way to get better is to go against better opponents. If you are serious about mini-painting, I\'d recommend going to local contests, talking to everyone who\'s work you admired, and practice, practice, practice! It has taken me 5 years to get to where I am, and I\'m not even close to Bobby Wong. But I won\'t give up and I hope you don\'t either.

Btw, I saw your Tau and your Mechs. Those IMO are Awesome! The Tau were done to a high gaming standard and the Mechs are painted in a camo pattern that is easily identified from military patterns; very realistic. You shoud easily get 6s or 7s IMO. And the Wizard with the fire and the book is Kick Ass! *coughpaintthebaserimcough* I scored it an 8. Paint the base and I\'d give it a 9.

Okay, how do I score?

1 - At least you primed it.
2 - It was dipped in paint
3 - A brush was used
4 -The mini is painted neatly, with no highlighting or detail work.
5 - Gaming Quality (think of HeroClix)
6 - Gaming Quality but neatly painted.
7 - Gaming Quality with drybrushing/blending. (Lines of demarcation between on layer and the next are evident.)
8 - Competition Quality - Neatly painted, colors highlighted and fully based. Blending should be evidenced, if not fully mastered.
9 - Competition Quality with smooth blending
10 - Golden Demon Quality - If I saw this at Games Day, I\'d expect it to make First Cut.

And conversions always push it up a notch or two, depending on difficulty. (I admit bias on the conversion end.)

Oof, this got long. Bottom line: Don\'t leave. Winners never quit, and Quitters never win. Be a Winner. Your painting looks like you can walk that path. I take down stuff to make room for newer gear. Why not keep the stuff you *really* like up. In a way, CMON is our portfolio and we are only as strong as our weakest piece.

The Raging Gaijin

 

[nadinbrzezinski]

See here we are having a good conversation, as is getting a tad better with the camera, but I do not think I will invest 200 in a photography rig... spending five hundred on the camera was enoguh for me.

That said, what was getting at me and eating me was the... 4... but, but but we say not why 4?

And those Tau, them are my husband\'s, he painted them... as is this is his therapy just as it is my therapy, even if it sounds crazy. As is I will be slowly replacing pieces with better photos, even if taht \"lowers\" the rating, but as I get better with the camera (Yeahp Honza\'s article, surprise surprise) those things will start to get better as well.

All is practice, to be quite honest...

 

[The Raging Gaijin]

Dunno...

Nadin wrote:
I do not think I will invest 200 in a photography rig... spending five hundred on the camera was enoguh for me.

The Gaijin sez:
If you aren\'t Ebayin\' or tourin\', it\'s an elective purchase IMO. I do Ebay, so it was a worthwhile investment. Not something I\'d recommend to everyone. So I can see your Point of View on that \'un.

Nadin wrote:
That said, what was getting at me and eating me was the... 4... but, but but we say not why 4?

The Gaijin responded:
F*** \'em. There are many reasons, as I stated earlier. The biggest question is: How do *you* feel about him? That\'s what matters. You are part of a large community, and getting better from the looks of it. So f*** \'em, do better and then show the Wot Fer!

And by your scale, Mittens would be in the 8 range: No drybrushing, blended highlights, scratchbuilt base, scratchbuilt extra tail with gem. *shrugs* Because of the story and the conversion, something GW gamers might want to try in their own games, it\'s the only one I left up. *winks* Makes no difference what people think about it as long as I\'m happy. And Mittens makes me so happy, I\'m going to enter him in the Golden Demon in the Monster entry! Booya!

(Of course he won\'t win. But imagining what the judges will think when they see this purple and pink cat with a Mark of Slaanesh in his stripes in with huge Daemons... Well it makes me smile!)

The Raging Gaijin

 

[nadinbrzezinski]

Ah very true, now lets widen the brush to players, and leave the brand to the side... (though in their favor GW has realized what the loyalty to tourney style gaming has done). These days players seem pretty unimaginative and will just do set piece battles regardless of game system because \"that is what \'em rules says.\" Gone are the days of story telling in a fight, or scenarios. But alas, the boys at Nottingham have noticed just how much that has taken away from gaming and now are willing to go back, to a point, to that older style... so hopefully new gamers will realize, ever so slowly, that a story is worth it... and a scenario can be fun even if you do not win... hell doing some work a couple of my CAV crews are already becoming legendary in my head... mostly due to what they have done in the mythical field of battle.... one for constatly loosing CAVs and the other for having most of the kills in the unit... just like a tanker when I used to play tech took cockpits off if you happen to use a Mad Cat.

So yes that story made me laugh!

Good job, and if the GD is judged by any of the people working in the line, you might do better than you expect because those boys DO HAVE a twisted sense of humor.

Nadin

 

[figurephenatix]

Rant?

A few comments on topic IMO . . .

1. NMM blows metallic away, it adds depth, shading, and life to regular metal, it is more difficult, but to those that think it is not superior to metallic paints, your only kidding yourself because you havent tried NMM on one of your own

2. Sculpt quality by company is an issue, but again, putting up a GW standard issue archer versus the femal Confrontation Rackham Bard figure is like comparing a Sports Car to the family wagon. Some figures, before the paint even hits the brush, are \"cooler\" than others . . . fact

3. Lame comments, ah, /agree, if you dont have a compliment, critizism, or at least something intelligent to post, then keep your \"public comments\" to yourself, your just wasting your time and others trying to be witty (see NV Studios comments on my Groland and Bog Beast figures for prime examples of mindless time wasting in a public forum)

Good topic Nadin and thanks for the kind observations on my work

 

[keshley]

Oh yea they took my bait

I dunno if I should weep or just laughing hard, but I did some experiments posting here in the last week.

One thing I noticed, if your fig got posted during weekend noon. it\'s mostly guaranteed that your fig will get votes from the \'mower\'. That happened to my reaper and GW witch elf fig. I noticed how her score bouncing up and down and the difference is big, too.

Today I did another experiment by claiming my own work (which it is) on the wolven - The Watcher. I did it simply because I don\'t want another \'theorkcollector\' accusing me posting other people\'s work (or like the other person accusing Honza stole the pic from Ebay). And guess what? from 9, it went straight to 6.8 in just 5 votes! Boy that was surprising seeing how the mower works. lol

Just a short report on my experiment