Must-have supplies?

nadine

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Long story short, I\'m in the process of replacing all of my painting supplies after not having painted for several years now. I have taken care of lighting, files, brushes, primer/sealer and intend to start by investing in the Vallejo basic paint set and some flow enhancer for paints.

I find myself really overwhelmed by all the *stuff* I find myself thinking I will want right away, especially when it comes to basing materials. If you were in my situation, what items would you put on the top of the list? This can include tools, a favored paint color (please don\'t bother suggesting any Citadel paint, I refuse to deal with the bottles anymore! :mad: ), basing material...whatever. Bear in mind I\'m trying to keep this first chunk of money dumped back into the hobby to a reasonable level, so while that delux dremel with 200+ different bit attachments would be nice, it\'s not quite in my league right now! :p

If it helps, I\'ll be starting back in to painting with some old Ral Partha \'Silver and Steel 3\' figures. They\'re smaller than what I was painting way back when, and I\'m at a bit of a loss as to basing materials for ~20mm scale...static grass seems too big. There\'s also an awful lot of flesh to be painted, would another Vallejo set be a wiser choice to start with?

Thanks for any input!

N.
 

hawkwood

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well for baseing id go with with the old fall back option of pva glue and builders sand which gives an exceptable but by no means exceptional finish when painted green and drybrushed yellow, that is assumeing that you are painting for gameing anyway. Im afraid im not familiar with the vallejo range so cant advise there. Brushes a minimum of detail (4/0) bulk (0) and varnish unless you are planing on spray varnish (im assuming spray primeing.

hope that helps

hawk
 

Flashman14

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the Vallejo starter set is very good.

I\'m a paint buying addict so I\'ve picked up three sets (Equine and Earth Tones) as well as many other individual bottles of theirs . .
I still do use them and Citadel (got a big wrench!) metallics - With Vallejo esclusively, I think that\'s the only thing you\'ll be short on providing you are a confident mixer.
REcently Vallejo has introduced a new line of colors that mimic GW\'s tones but in Vallejo bottles - I have yet to see them in person yet but it\'s likely as my GW\'s run out I\'ll replace them with these - they have a smaller footprint and I need all the space I can get!
Newwave carries them . . .
As for basing: System (Woodland) Scenics does a lot of high quality terrain materials and have grasses in at least three sizes - the static that you mentioned - the fine turf (for smaller models -15mm-20?) then longer grasses that could be trimmed to scale.

Actually I\'m an addictive ANYTHING buyer. I got railroad flock of all kinds but I do tend to use the Wdlnd Scncs stuff quite a bit.

I don\'t use the static grass so much but I use the ballast - then as suggested above, paint and highlight that to good effect - i have several blends of ballast with varying degrees of courseness as well as an old Sucrets box of tiny rough pebbles to break up the evenness and monotony . . .

Hope this helps a bit . . .!
 

Chrispy

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I made an artice on using spices as flock and it works okay. I would also invest in a daylight bulb.. I kept telling myself I didn\'t need it but It seems I did, as it does not give off a yellowish tinge. If you\'re starting over, I would say vallejos are a must, after using Citadel paints when I was beginning, it\'s just more cost effective to get more paint and an eyedropper cap for around the same price. As for needing flock, I would not know as both my grandfather and father were in to model railroads and so I have a (somewhat old) arsenal to choose from! I would guess if you know anyone with similar tastes, than ask them for a little until or split the difference for a bag.
 
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Sturmhalo

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Get a pin vice! I spent my entire painting lifetime insisting I needed a pin vice but never bought one coz I couldn\'t get hold of one. I finally bought one last year now that GW stock them. Damn handy for all sorts of things, but especially for pinning pieces together. Just think of all those old Citadel figures that you snapped the slotta tabs off try to get them out of those plastic bases!

Be warned though, when you buy a pin vice (with drill bits of course!) you\'ll suddenly find yourself drilling holes in everything for the first day! It\'s fun :D
 

Dragonsreach

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Needful things?

Be warned though, when you buy a pin vice (with drill bits of course!) you\'ll suddenly find yourself drilling holes in everything for the first day! It\'s fun
Be advised(no pun intended) get a pin vice with a singel end and a floating swivel on the other, cos Ive got a s*****g great blister from drilling the pin a base last night using a doule ended pin vice.
 

Dragonsreach

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Needful things continued....

Memo to self :- click on Preview Post not Post Reply when I want to check on stuff.

Back to needful things:-
Good X-acto knife.
Good set of needle files.
Needle nosed pliers,
Pincers.
Sheets of 800 grade Wet & Dry emery paper. (1 A4 sheet has lasted 3 years so far.)
Box of paper clips (great for pinning & cheap.)

Green stuff for fine detail
Milliput for bases(or Scuply).

First Aid Kit - trust me you\'ll need it!

Good luck & I hope it helps.
 
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Death Jester

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The thing about hobbies is that you are always at them, in other words, you don\'t have to buy everything at once, because it\'s not for a one-off project.

Over the last 17 years or so, I have bought only what I needed at that time and kept everything I do not use safe, so at the moment I have just about everything a painter could possibly want!

The paints are probably the biggest section, particularily with acrylics, which do not mix as well as oils (most acrylics will mix fine with a similar shade). It is best to start out by getting what you need/can afford first, then each month add a few more colours. Before long, you will have all the colours you need!

Instead of just getting the Vallejo \"starter set\", have a look at the colours that are in it - if they are all \"essential\" colours, e.g., the primary colours (yellow, red, blue), + white, black, green, brown and maybe another couple, then yes, start with that. If you are not happy with the colours in the pack, then just buy individual bottles. I bought my Vallejo acrylics from a store in the Republic of Ireland - they offered me a discount if I bought all 220 at once, and as I had the money that is what I did!

I mentioned in an earlier forum that Vallejo are (from the point of view of many long-term painters who know the difference between good and bad quality) the best acrylics at the minute. They are very heavily pigmented, cover far better than other acrylics, and don\'t dry as quickly. This being said, they are also a little bit thicker than some other acrylics, and some thinning is pretty much essential to get a smooth coat. Acrylic flow enhancer is best for this, water can be used but it tends to dilute the paint rather than thin it, and water evaporates quickly so the drying time isn\'t really extended either.

At the minute I use \"Cryla\" acrylic flow enhancer, I have also used \"Daler-Rowney\" and \"Windsor and Newton\" acrylic flow enhancer, they are all fine!

As far as tools go, you will need the usual, a good knife, needle files, sand paper (of various grades), a pin vice (tiny hand drill), a box of paper-clips, some masking tape and some super glue to start with. Then you can add whatever you need. Say you want to sculpt something, you will need modelling clay of some sort. Any good art store should stock milliput, and GW sell that \"green stuff\" which is quite good.

Paper-clips are used for 2 things - first, they should be used when assembling any metal figure, even if you are attaching a plastic part. Just drill a hole into one of the parts and glue a piece of paper clip (you will only need a few milimeters each side) into the hole. Then line up the 2 pieces and drill a corresponding hole on the other side. The paper-clip will act as a support, and the join will be far stronger. Secondly, if you have a small part that is hard to paint, just drill a hole in the back of it (the bit no-one will see) and glue a whole (bent) paper-clip in place! Now u can hold the paper-clip and not get fingerprints on the surface! Masking tape is used to hold things together while the glue dries (I also have a small metal vice with rubber clamps). Super glue is actually very useful because it drys very hard - If a figure has a \"gap\" between the parts, then just \"fill\" the gap with super glue! Once the glue has dried overnight, just sand down any excess with the appropriate sanding tool! The glue in the gap will be as hard as plastic and once you paint it, it will look just like part of the kit or figure (as long as you sand it correctly)!

Oil paints are the easiest to blend and all oils can be mixed together. However, oils are a bit of an investment as they also need their own brushes. This is because oils need to be thinned with refined linseed oil (from any art store) and cleaned with turps substitute - after only one use, the brushes cannot be cleaned in water and are unsuitable for acrylics. Oils are also more expensive than acrylics, being about twice the price for most shades, but some shades are twenty times the price (depending on their permanency). Still, most oil tubes are 3x or 4x the size of a Vallejo bottle, and as the oils are about 100x more concentrated you only need the smallest spot on a figure. Because the tubes are quite big and you will hardly use any great quantity, they will last you forever (some of mine are 10+ years old)! Because oils are easily mixed, you don\'t need all, or even most, shades. I have only 24 oils and mix all my shades from those!

I also have such exotic things as a miniature anvil with a square tip and a round tip (great for bendind things, like photo-etched brass!), a weighted base with \"crocodile clamps\" (to hold stuff I am painting) and an airbrush (for large kits). At the minute, I am investing in a \"punch and die set\", a small tool that lets me make my own \"rivets\" to add to vehicles and scenery. It just goes to show, even after nearly 2 decades, I still don\'t have everything!

Most of the above has probably been mentioned before, but one thing that hasn\'t is something to keep it all in! I have a \"box\" called an \"Art Bin\" that I got from an art store - it is an American product, and the store only ever had one! Inside there are multiple trays designed specifically for holding brushes and art supplies. It is a good size and I can get all of my tools (apart from the anvil!) inside. Because it closes up, there is never any dust on my stuff and it is all in the same area, so nothing gets lost! (The \"Art Bin\" was a gift from someone about 6 years ago, I have no idea how much it cost!) Failing that, \"Daler-Rowney\" (et al) make various art supply boxes, even ones that come with a few oil paints and a pallette! You could also go to a hardware store and get a big tool-box to keep everything in, just check the size first!

Just build up a balance of what u need and what u can afford! Before long u will have it all!
 
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Death Jester

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I forgot to say \"clippers\"! You will need a good pair of sharp metal-cutters to cut off excess metal/plastic/resin, as well as to remove parts from a sprue! Sometimes the piece you want to remove is just too thick for a knife and too complicated for a razor-saw!
 

nadine

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Thanks for all the tips! I think it was most reassuring to know that I\'m not the only compulsive paint buyer out there. ;)

Chrispy, loved your article about raiding the spice rack for basing. I\'m going to give my oregano a try! :D There\'s also that uh..dead...thyme plant outside from my attempt to grow my own herbs for cooking. I\'m only going to have a green thumb if I spill paint on it, but heck some of what used to be \'new growth\' might be better in scale that what\'s in the bottle in my cupboard. :p

I had decided to wait on the pin vise. These first figures are all one piece, but I definately appreciate the tip on what kind to get. I\'ve got that old RP vignette \'Bridge of Sorrows\' that I want to do sometime this summer, and the RP Golden Dragon of Chaos, both of which are gonna need some serious pinning.

Thankfully, my hubby has been having fun looking around for a deal on a digicam. I\'ll be able to post pictures when I get going again.

N.

Edit: I just saw DeathJester\'s reply. I definately know what you mean about having your stuff accumulate. I had around 5 years worth of stuff-knives, files, delux dremel, pin vise, 2 kinds of putty, various grades of wire (for making rope, etc), hollow tubing (great banner poles!), several grades of ballast, static grass, flocks..well you get the picture. It\'s very easy to get overwhelmed when you sit down and think \'Ok, where do I start over?\'

There\'s a store sort-of near me that runs a deal on Vallejo paints. Since I\'m starting on figures that are mostly flesh, I may indeed end up just buying individual bottles (or maybe the flesh tone set). It\'s certainly a challenge to try to maximize the stuff I replace for the least amount of money lol
 

Errex

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Don\'t forget a pallette

After all, you HAVE to water down you paints somewhere, Right?.

Although there are any number of expensive options(artist\'s pallete, wet-palletes, etc.), I use one type that is absolutely free, and that people insist on supplying me with whenever I go to a mall.

I knew those AOL CD\'s would serve for something. And the best part, you don\'t have to clean them. Absolutely disposable.
 
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Dragon Snack

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I knew those AOL CD\'s would serve for something.

I thought they were for testing your microwave...:D

Disclaimer: I\'m not suggesting you try this at home...
 

Aztec

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I use a ceramic tile from the local DIY store for a pallette. And one of those small clamps with the alligator clips on each end are quite useful as an extra set of hands (Radio Shack is where I got mine).
 

hawkwood

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palets

i use a plastic tray that is a little over A4 size and since it hasent been cleaned in over 5 years has built up some rather atractive contors and started to weigh abut 5 lbslol

hawk
 

Chrispy

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True story: My mom was out trying to buy wet palette inserts at Michaels, but they only had them as part of another whole palette. But that pallette didn\'t have a bar code, so they used the one from the inserts... moral of this story is you can get a pallette for $2.99 due to the guilibility of store clerks.. :p Plus, wet pallettes are great!! Before I had one, I used a small spare sheet of plexiglass.
 

Lurch

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Get yourself a a brush cleaner of some sort.
While water is good, a cleaner/conditioner will prolong the life of your brushes by about twice the normal lifespan.
I use some stuff called Pink Soap From Mona Lisa Products. First time I used it was on a brush I thought I had cleaned but had lost alot of its edge. The crap that came out of the ferrul was Amazing to see! :wow:
I get it at my local Micheals Hobby shop, But the bottle shows a web site of www.houstonart.com
Incidentally, they have paint saver strips there that are little flip- top bottles. Work almost as well as the old Citadel bottles.
 

virtuouswolf

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You know this isn\'t 100% necessary, but if you plan to do conversions of any sort buy a dremel (aka electric rotary tool). I used to sit there hacking away at a mini to cut off arms, legs, etc with a jewelers saw but once I got my dremel the work time was cut in half (pun intended). Its not just good for lopping off limbs either, I use it for sanding down flash and details I don\'t want on my models too. In any case, its not really a super high priority but I just thought I\'d mention its usefulness. My personal choice is a Black&Decker RTX but I\'m sure they are all very similar.
 
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Sturmhalo

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I use a sheet of picture glass to mix paint on (masking tape around the edges stops me getting any cuts!). I peeled about half an inch of paint off it about six months ago! Very psychadelic :cool:

I might have to think about getting some brush cleaner as I\'m getting through a brush every two months, maybe more!

And remember folks... don\'t ruin perfectly good bourbon by adding ice or a mixer! Drink it as god intended ;)
 
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