Is it just the power gamer in me or..

[Hiliter]

Ok so ive been playing WFB for 7 or so odd years and ive always prided myself at trying my hardest to make strong competative lists but still not barreling into the extremes lists of insane one sided ness.

well recently (well actually not so recently, this army has been in the works for 3 years)

Ive decided to go and pull a power gamer from hell out of no where more as fun list (which will be played as a insane introduction game for people reaching 3000 pts. of their respective armies)

Heres my List (just giving the units as magic items will be subject to change)

**Unless otherwised Spec. each human unit will have the mark of tzeentch**

Chaos lord on chaos dragon

Lord of Change

Exalted champion in chaos chariot

Exalted champion in chaos chariot

Chaos Chariot

Chaos Chariot

5 furies (points filler/ also could be two units of 6 chaos hounds.

Mutant chaos giant

Mutant chaos giant

Well thats my list comes to either exactly 3000 or within 5 points thereof.

Now am i taking this a bit to far, cause ive built most of this (well the parts that aren\'t being converted) and played a few test games againist an ogre army and lost once and won twice.

Everyone has cried every word known in the english (and some other langs. as well) for cheese and unbalanced, but that was my point. Just thought id share and get some opinions on the matter.

 

[Ogrebane]

Saw an army similar to this but 1 unit of chosen khorn knights and lord on a deamon stead. It won a tournament I went in I think it had about 24 models all up. The guy who won wasnt very popular (He was also an arragant pr!@#)

I wouldnt much like going against that army but then again if my ogre tyrant can get the first hit in maybe.

 

[Sanitarium]

Nothing too scary in my opinion for 3000 pts considering you have more or less 17 Power dice and basically only 4 strong CC individual models that will always start the combat with a static combat resolution disadvantage of 5-6 (ranks, banner and outnumber...)

I made a power playing list of tzeench that on 3000 pts had something like 25-27 power dice and almost only chariots of tzeench (the idea is to bast away half of the opponent army in 2 magic fases and possibly slow the enemy down with newly sumonned horrors and then charge and trample over anything that survives).

I\'d say that your army has 1 major problem: artillery-against empire or dwarves you\'d get shot down in max 2 turns-basically if you get the 1st turn you can blast away his artillery (unless he has 10+ Dispel dice, wich is quite likely at 3000 pts) and run around while burning your opponents with magic and scaring them with terror causng monsters, but it all becomes useless if you\'re facing somebody immune to psicology (a slayer army or undeads for instance).

Basically if you want to powerplay (for fun) you have to go to extreme (7-8 chariots of tzeench, 2 chaos lords of tzeench, 2 exalted champions of tzeench and all the other hero slots filled up with undivided sorcerers for power dices and spells-no dragons, disks are better cause the don\'t take cyour hero slots-same for greater deamons-these are just point sinks that are better spent in mode power dice producers)

Powerpalying is actually about bringing to the maximum extreme 1 aspect of your army, wich is magic for tzeench and wich means you must have at least 25 power dice in 3000 pts army (I have 20 PD in 2000 army).

If you want a Big guys power played army take Khorne, 2 lords on dragons, 3 giants, just the minimal core of marauders without equipment and a lot of khorne minotaurs with great weapons and trolls...

You need focus in a power playing army, yours is, in my opinion, too much dissipated with expensive large targets that will get all the artillery fire that survives your first turn.

 

[Hiliter]

Its not more for actual power gaming, its coming to be for two reasons:

1. I have some how accumlated these models (barring one giant, going to buy the new one.. gasp) over the last 4 years or so even though i don\'t play chaos (damn compulsive buying..)

2. This list is more a pyschological thriller with a bad ending. Im building it as a confidence builder army for people who are diving into larger games of warhammer. Nothing like seeing a dragon, two giants, and a greater daemon hit the table. Its a fear thing, you have to start shooting at something and generally i think 2 of those four are going to get across the table, unless someone happens to have a nuln atry train.

I know when i got into the larger games playing stuff just seemed to get jumbled up in my head, i would forget to do things, where magic items were, etc. Its a logistical nightmare in my opinion. So im building this list as small as possible to one, make my turns faster and to give my opponent things to focus on. There are a good number of games where i have won because people \"forget\" about that mage in the woods for 3 turns and/or forgot to move something. Generally i let them know about all the mistakes they make after then fact, but making mistakes like that help you learn and slow down.

Those tzeentch lists actually make me laugh in a way. In my area someone fielded a similar heavy chariot list, It was devastating to almost everyone who played it. I personally beat it once out of 5 times playing it. But there was a wood elf player that just owned the poor guy all the time so he eventually quit playing the army and tried a sensible list (he lost more, but got less grief in the end.)

And as for Atry from any list, (barring bolt throwers and warp lightning cannons, i do fear them) they are well only as good as the general shooting them. Cannons and mortars require you to guess well, bounce well, and not blow up in the first place. Theres too many ifs for it to work even a decent amount of time.

I mean all in all there are some amazing people that have spactial analysis skills like no other, but in general most gamers are coming within inches of hitting you where as some people can pick a target and guess within 1/8\'s of an inch how far away they are.

 

[Hiliter]

@ Ogrebane- Im playtesting againist an ogre opponent right now with this army.

Generally this army is a little on the slow side for my liking (mainly the chariots) but overall i out man. the bigger ogre blocks and just use spells and such to thin their numbers out. Always an interesting game to say the least.

 

[kblaes]

Looks... interesting, but I can see it having one major weakness: warmachines. Anything s7 or higher is going to rape the chariots, and massed bolt throwers will just slaughter it. I wouldn\'t want to go up against Sea Guard or an all-Gobbo force with this list.

 

[Ogrebane]

My characters and maneaters do all the work. The rest are just targets. The butchers get a spell off every now and then but not that often. My General is built to kill steam tanks. But I respect chaos they are hard core.

 

[Sanitarium]

Do you know any Khorne player?

Ask him to playtest the army (actually Khorne would be your greatest nemesis, if we set aside gunlines), just to see how it turns out (2 khorne lords on dragon and as much cavallery as possible)-then it will become a battle on who will charge first

 

[Hiliter]

Haha.. actually now that you mention it, theres a person within my gaming group thats building a 3k khorne Cav. army as we speak.... so whenever he finishes up, should be a rather epic battle to say the least (i only have giants left to at least build, hes got his whole army )