I think I am going to slit my wrists....

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dosselmeyer

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Well, not literally... but I am pretty upset.

So I've been painting for a good while, but I was a dry brushing fiend.

I've spent about 20 hours working on a figure where I really tried to do some blending and NMM for the first time.

I finally finished and was thinking I might actually post it here for comments...

I went to seal it with matte finish in my 100 degree F dry atmosphere here in Dallas, and the entire back of the figure turned white... almost like it's been primed.

Anyone have a fix for this?

Brian
 
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gohkm

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Sounds like you haven't shaken your sealant can enough. If you're using something like Testors Dullcote, it's got cellulose as a binder. That tends to settle, and if you spritz your figs without shaking the can enough, the cellulose clumps and shows up as that nice shiny white finish.

Just shake your can to death (I put mine into a paint shaker for 2 mins), and lightly dust your mini again.

In the future, always make sure you (a) shake the can to death, (b) spritz in a warm and dry environment, (c) spritz only when the fig is completely dry and (d) use light blasts instead of a single heavy spray. If you spritz the fig too many times, though, you'll also get the nice shiny white finish.
 
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armornv

armornv

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OOh, I know how you feel all to well. Be glad it wasn't an armor model that you spent over 100 hours on, plus a hundred dollars worth of extras for....just sayin:embarrassed: Just a guess, but was it Testor's Dullcote? That is about the only matte finish clear I've heard of doing that. Usually caused by a bad batch of it. Could be humidity related or like gohkm said, lack of shaking/mixing. Model Master Acryl Flat Clear is and has been my preferred matte coat since it happened to me. Not sure if it will fix a large heavy-ish fogging, but Future floor polish has worked in the past to get rid of mild cases of the dreaded fogging. Just my 2 cents.
 
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dosselmeyer

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It was Citadel Dull Coat. If I had to guess I think maybe the liquid dried on the way to the fig.

I was doing short "spritz" of application, which is why only 1/2 the fig got hit.

I will go shake the hell out of the can and try for another coat and see if it dulls it down.

Thanks for the help.

Dosselmeyer
 
Einion

Einion

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While I'm sure it won't be much consolation you're not alone and people have asked about this a number of times. Any spray-on matt varnish can do this, it's part of the inherent risk with using them. Matt varnishes in general are a little antsy but when you spray them more things can go wrong.

There are a number of possible causes, including the spray drying on the way to the model (very easy to have happen when it's very dry and hot), and if there was insufficient shaking which can lead to a deposit of the matting agent on the surface.

Anyway, one of the possible fixes that's been suggested here a couple of times is to gloss coat the mini and then respray it with the matt varnish. This works by both 'wetting' as well as smoothing the surface. There are no guarantees of course but if a second coat of matt varnish doesn't help then it's worth trying.

In addition to gohkm's a-d, let my add e, always test-spray off the finished subject to check that things are working right.

Einion
 
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Arma

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Testors is very very popular but I've had the same accidental finish before. I use a product called Mr Super Clear Flat (UV Cut), whilst it may do the same thing as other products I've NEVER had an issue with it and it produces that super flat finish you get with dullcote too. Give it a shot if you can get your hands on it!
 
10 ball

10 ball

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I sprayed white undercoat on my mini thinking it was clear coat:crying:


Wont do that again !:embarrassed:


Strange thing was it kind of looked good ??
 
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Nowoo

Nowoo

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I've had this happen in the past... When it happened I tried mineral spirits (white spirits) to help "melt" and release the air/moisture bubbles (usually what's causing the blushing) but it took a few coats, required another coat of gloss/matt and still didn't look great.

Since then I did some research and found this Super Blush Retarder in a spray. It's made by Mohawk (http://www.mohawk-finishing.com/catalog_browse.asp?ictNbr=256) and it works amazingly!

On a more recent project I just HAD to finish I ended up heating my can of citadel matt spray along with the mini using a blow dryer, shook it vigorously for 5 minutes, and proceeded to spray it during the rain (failsauce)... The humidity instantly produced blushing minis (no surprise). I let the varnish set for 10 minutes then sprayed with the blush retarder and it almost instantly cleared up. I let it dry for 1hr and sprayed it again and they're flawless (althouth they required another coat of matt which I brushed on).

I tried this stuff on another mini I had blushing on from a few months ago. It worked but not as well as spraying after 15 minutes. It also took more coats to produce results but it definitely improved the mini.

Good luck & I hope this helps.
 
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Norscaman

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Always test-spray. I have an old miniature that has dozens of coats of dull cote on it. While dry seems to help, it took me exactly one job to figure out that you have to test every time. There is no substitute.
 
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finn17

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Nowoo said:
I've had this happen in the past... When it happened I tried mineral spirits (white spirits) to help "melt" and release the air/moisture bubbles (usually what's causing the blushing) but it took a few coats, required another coat of gloss/matt and still didn't look great.

Since then I did some research and found this Super Blush Retarder in a spray. It's made by Mohawk (http://www.mohawk-finishing.com/catalog_browse.asp?ictNbr=256) and it works amazingly!

On a more recent project I just HAD to finish I ended up heating my can of citadel matt spray along with the mini using a blow dryer, shook it vigorously for 5 minutes, and proceeded to spray it during the rain (failsauce)... The humidity instantly produced blushing minis (no surprise). I let the varnish set for 10 minutes then sprayed with the blush retarder and it almost instantly cleared up. I let it dry for 1hr and sprayed it again and they're flawless (althouth they required another coat of matt which I brushed on).

I tried this stuff on another mini I had blushing on from a few months ago. It worked but not as well as spraying after 15 minutes. It also took more coats to produce results but it definitely improved the mini.

Good luck & I hope this helps.
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Great first post!

Welcome to the forums...:)
 
10 ball

10 ball

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Nowoo said:
I've had this happen in the past... When it happened I tried mineral spirits (white spirits) to help "melt" and release the air/moisture bubbles (usually what's causing the blushing) but it took a few coats, required another coat of gloss/matt and still didn't look great.

Since then I did some research and found this Super Blush Retarder in a spray. It's made by Mohawk (http://www.mohawk-finishing.com/catalog_browse.asp?ictNbr=256) and it works amazingly!

On a more recent project I just HAD to finish I ended up heating my can of citadel matt spray along with the mini using a blow dryer, shook it vigorously for 5 minutes, and proceeded to spray it during the rain (failsauce)... The humidity instantly produced blushing minis (no surprise). I let the varnish set for 10 minutes then sprayed with the blush retarder and it almost instantly cleared up. I let it dry for 1hr and sprayed it again and they're flawless (althouth they required another coat of matt which I brushed on).

I tried this stuff on another mini I had blushing on from a few months ago. It worked but not as well as spraying after 15 minutes. It also took more coats to produce results but it definitely improved the mini.

Good luck & I hope this helps.
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where did you sneak in from?, welcome and thank you for some bloody good advice. :)
 
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dosselmeyer

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Dragonsreach said:
Possible 50% of your problem right there.

I've finally managed to find a use for GW Varnishes. Varnishing wooden plinths and nothing else. Nice gloss on them, cr*p on minis.
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Well now I know.

The thing was way too far gone, it still looked like crap so I spent all morning redoing it. Thank goodness it was the back half, and not the front.

Will post a pic later if I can get a good one.

Dosselmeyer
 
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gohkm

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Once your pics are on Flickr, you should be able to take the image URL from Flickr, and embed them in a post using the \
 
MightyChad

MightyChad

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I have read a simple trick for fixing this, I have never used it myself, but I have seen another CMoN member use the trick and go on to win a GD. Anyway, take a desk lamp and leave it on until it gets nice and hot, then spray your mini(again), pretty heavily, then before it dries put it under the hot lamp. It cleared up the fog, when used by my friend. But since you live in a ridiculously hot part of the world, I would say to wait until night when it should be cooler. I wish I could remember who the author was for this trick, but I think it was on the PP brushthralls website. Worth a shot, since you can't mess it up much worse!
 
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