Looks like a pretty sweet game engine.
Should be good, and I think it\'s out on 360 and PS3 at the same time.
Should be good, and I think it\'s out on 360 and PS3 at the same time.
GTA 4 anyone?
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Gilvan Blight
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I loved 3, as did most poeple. Got all pumped for vice city as I grew up in the 80s and the mix of nostalgia and venom towards the era was apealing (and they had Megadeth in the soundtack). Just couldn\'t get into it. Just felt like I was playing 1 again with a better soundtrack (up for debate). Picked up the next one, not sure why as I didn\'t really like the last and hated it. Could not for the life of me get into it. Only played about 6 missions then sold it.
So not really interested in this series any more. It\'s gone the way of Tony Hawk and countless other licences, just more of the same.
So not really interested in this series any more. It\'s gone the way of Tony Hawk and countless other licences, just more of the same.
Strangely you seem to have picked the two really succesful licences (along with the Resi series) where for me, the last version of each was absolutely amazing!
Granted San Andreas didn\'t evolve a massive amount from Vice City, but it was huge and one of the most quality and feature packed games I\'ve ever played, with more stuff crammed into it than about 20 lesser titles!
For me each 3D GTA has been considerably better than the previous one to be honest. One thing I have found is that you need to give each one about 30 hours of gameplay, to really beat the familiarity you have with the previous version\'s city out of your system, before you can properly get into the new one though.
As for Tony Hawk - on the whole I agree - but the last was by far the best version since 2, and not exactly a lazy, more of the same continuation of the licence. It\'s definately worth a try if you haven\'t played it.
Granted San Andreas didn\'t evolve a massive amount from Vice City, but it was huge and one of the most quality and feature packed games I\'ve ever played, with more stuff crammed into it than about 20 lesser titles!
For me each 3D GTA has been considerably better than the previous one to be honest. One thing I have found is that you need to give each one about 30 hours of gameplay, to really beat the familiarity you have with the previous version\'s city out of your system, before you can properly get into the new one though.
As for Tony Hawk - on the whole I agree - but the last was by far the best version since 2, and not exactly a lazy, more of the same continuation of the licence. It\'s definately worth a try if you haven\'t played it.
Gilvan Blight
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Yeah see I never played any but the first GTA past 30 hours. Having to invest 30 hours before a game gets good, doesn\'t make it sound like a good game to me.
As for the latest Tony Hawk, I would be willing to give it a go as I used to love the series. The latest is Project 8 correct?
May rent it after I finish off God of War 2 (sitting in my car waiting for me to get done work).
As for the latest Tony Hawk, I would be willing to give it a go as I used to love the series. The latest is Project 8 correct?
May rent it after I finish off God of War 2 (sitting in my car waiting for me to get done work).
The Artisan
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Best news I\'ve had all day. Thank you for that.
30 hours to get into? I was in love right from the first gunshot.
30 hours to get into? I was in love right from the first gunshot.
Yup, I really enjoyed P8 and I haven\'t been into most of the recent Hawk games. It\'s very refined. You should definitely give it a try.
And I think you miss my point about GTA. What I mean is that because I played GTA 3 so much Vice City just felt wrong for the longest time. Driving around wasn\'t intuitive to me compared to the encyclopedic knowledge I had of Liberty City, so it just wasn\'t quite right. It took a long while to adjust to learning and appreciating Vice City and the little tweaks contained instead. It was the same going from Vice City to San Andreas. It\'s not that the game isn\'t good for the first 30 hours, it\'s that the previous versions were so good I still miss them for quite a while!
Anyway, ramble, ramble! Whatever the case it\'s going to look a hell of a lot more next generation than Saint\'s Row!
And I think you miss my point about GTA. What I mean is that because I played GTA 3 so much Vice City just felt wrong for the longest time. Driving around wasn\'t intuitive to me compared to the encyclopedic knowledge I had of Liberty City, so it just wasn\'t quite right. It took a long while to adjust to learning and appreciating Vice City and the little tweaks contained instead. It was the same going from Vice City to San Andreas. It\'s not that the game isn\'t good for the first 30 hours, it\'s that the previous versions were so good I still miss them for quite a while!
Anyway, ramble, ramble! Whatever the case it\'s going to look a hell of a lot more next generation than Saint\'s Row!
I can\'t figure out why game developers can only use the open ended gaming engine for games like GTA....Not that there is anything wrong with the game, but they seem to limit it to the role of thugs and gangsters.
Why can\'t they have a James Bond, or a Batman game, incorporating that openess? Go any where in Gotham City...solve small capers, have an overall big mission to do....sounds cool.
Or even Chuck Norris?
Why can\'t they have a James Bond, or a Batman game, incorporating that openess? Go any where in Gotham City...solve small capers, have an overall big mission to do....sounds cool.
Or even Chuck Norris?
Gilvan Blight
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Amusingly Wolf Fang and I were discussing how they need to do a Star Wars one like this. Where you could run around Couscant, grab Speeders and the like. Figured you would be a rogue Jedi around the time of the Purge, so you would have to hide your powers. As you got \'spotted\' the Imperial March would build, and eventually when you got to three \'stars\' the Stormtroopers would show up. If you go to 5 \'stars\' Vader himself would make an apearance.
And yeah Spiderman 2 was like that. You could just Wander New York. Wasn\'t as detailed as GTA though, after a while you realize there are only like 5 diff crimes that keep repeating in different areas, but it\'s still cool.
Mercenaries also felt like GTA to me, as you could wander around the battlefield and decide who to work for and which missions to take at your liesure.
Because making an open ended game engine is so much harder, and requires shed loads more work than following a more simple, tried and tested formula for licences. In most cases will end in disaster rather than success too, and is probably not going to gain extra cash for the developers and publishers. Why push the limits when most of the people who rush out to buy the latest movie tie in and whatnot aren\'t discerning enough to care?
The open endedness of GTA has, by being such a success, forced others making the same genre of games to follow suit, hence the similar sort of titles around also being more open ended.
With other stuff they can just churn out the same sort of generic cack as always.
(Note - working in the computer game industry for a while may have left me slightly cynical towards these things! lol)
Mind you, a game not being open ended isn\'t always a problem, some of my absolute favourite games are about as linear as they come. And a lot of games that seem linear on the surface can develop to be less so in other ways. I mean Halo is really linear in it\'s overall format, but the AI means it plays as anything but. And Super Monkey Ball, also really linear, until you start exploiting bugs to do crazy completions that the developers probably didn\'t even think of!
Also, a lot of stuff that could be open-ended these days ends up becoming a massively multiplayer online game (Star Wars Galaxies anyone? lol), rather than a complex single player thing because of potential subscription revenue.
At the end of the day it\'s all about the money baby, which is why I really respect GTA. They could put no effort into it and still fill their pockets, but they don\'t, they continue to make tip-top games, so good on \'em!
But yeah, I have to agree that a Bond game that was really open-ended would be awesome, but only if Microsoft (now that they own Rare) use their financial muscle to wrench the Bond licence away from EA, then give me the killer exclusive game on the 360 I want - a follow up to Goldeneye but with Deus Ex style gameplay. Oooh mamma!
Talion
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both am an not looking forward to this.
I do love the openess of these games, currently playing \"Saints Row\" on the 360.
couldn\'t get into San Andreas, the crap rap music kept annoying me. Loved Vice City though.
My only problem with these games is you get to 1 or 2 missions that are frustrating as hell and virtually impossible to complete, and when dead or busted, need to start the entire mission again. So I\'ve also never finished any of the games.
I do love the openess of these games, currently playing \"Saints Row\" on the 360.
couldn\'t get into San Andreas, the crap rap music kept annoying me. Loved Vice City though.
My only problem with these games is you get to 1 or 2 missions that are frustrating as hell and virtually impossible to complete, and when dead or busted, need to start the entire mission again. So I\'ve also never finished any of the games.
