Delta Ceramcoat Paint Opinions?

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splintersofreality

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Here in the States one of the easiest lines of paint to get is Delta Ceramcoat. It\'s usually in the crafts aisles, not the fine arts painting aisles, costs WAY less, and comes in a zillion colors. I\'ve been using it for many years, but as my painting gets better, I wonder if it\'s still my best choice all around.

Any opinions about it?

Even thought it\'s workable right out of the bottle, if I\'m going to try to minimize my use of dry-brushing (a staple in my technique to date) I\'ll bet I need to thin it a bit.
 
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Taarnak

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I love the stuff.

I use it, Apple Barrel, and DecoArt paints almost exclusively.

I use water+ Future to thin it a little bit.

Also, I use Higgins airbrush inks (another cheap alternative.)

I believe that Bushido uses these paints as well, and he achieves some VERY nice results with it...


Eric
 
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GreenOne

I paint my thumb.
I have two brands of paint in my workshop.
One is deco art, the other is testor. They\'re the same price.. for 230ml and 27ml respectively.

Except for some wicked colors in the Testor serie, the difference is not visible for me.
It probably won\'t be until my level of painting requires better paint.
In fact, the only drawback I see with Decoart ( And probably all \"cheap\" paints.) is that they never dry to be hard and retain some elasticity.
It all boils down to the special property of each paints, working time, covering, homogenity ( Forgive the mispel, if applies.),
thickness. All in all, unless you\'re a \"pro\", better paint probably won\'t make your minis look better, but you might enjoy working with them more.
 
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vincegamer

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Tooting my own horn, sort of

I think craft paints are fine for the majority of painters. A bad painter will still be a bad painter whatever paints he uses, and a fantastic painter can get fantastic results whatever paints he uses.

Craft paints just require a bit more work and time.

A while back I did an experiment where I painted 2 versions of the same mini in as close a match of paint colors as I had.
One was painted with the top of the line Vallejo Model Paints, the other with the cheapest of the cheap schoolhouse set of Apple Barrel paints.

Click here to see if you can tell the difference

I have a few bottles of Delta, so my opinion of Delta is that for most uses it will be fine, and it has possibly the best range of colors anywhere.
If you get pretty good, you may want to upgrade to finer pigments for detailed freehand and such. It makes things easier but isn\'t necessary.

Oh, and it\'s called Future Floor Finish and it\'s a clear acrylic polish for lenolium floors. Works great as a thinning agent and is super cheap and can clean the kitchen floor to boot. It dries very glossy, but don\'t try to use it as a varnish because it will cause the paint, no matter how old, to bleed.
 
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Einion

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Originally posted by splintersofreality
Here in the States one of the easiest lines of paint to get is Delta Ceramcoat. It\'s usually in the crafts aisles, not the fine arts painting aisles, costs WAY less, and comes in a zillion colors. I\'ve been using it for many years, but as my painting gets better, I wonder if it\'s still my best choice all around.
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Not for the best results but it\'s not as bad as some people will make out IMO.

Originally posted by splintersofreality
Even thought it\'s workable right out of the bottle, if I\'m going to try to minimize my use of dry-brushing (a staple in my technique to date) I\'ll bet I need to thin it a bit.
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Yep, for best results you\'ll want to dilute it quite a bit and apply it in thin layers when doing transitions from colour to colour.

Do bear in mind that because it\'s so cheap you won\'t get the same sort of coverage for some tricky colours like yellows, reds and greens.

Einion
 
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splintersofreality

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I went to the Thread on Paints from 2004 with the \"two figures test\" and see that this topic has already been THOROUGHLY covered. (It would be cool if there could be a directory of \"important\" topics like this so people wouldn\'t have to start the discussion all over again)

BTW, did that fading test ever get finished?

So, now I\'ll ask, is there a good source by mail for the Vallejo paints in the States?
 
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dauber22

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@splinters - sometimes its more interesting to let them be covered again, see what new people may have to say or see whose opinion has changed.Some have be rehashed to death, but [shrug]... no real harm done, even then.

As to the fade test, if I remember right Steelcult was doing that and the mini got blown off his porch, fell a couple stories, and got hit by a flower pot :(:D Damn Texas storms! However, since he\'s now in giant mideastern sand box, I\'m not sure he could try it again right away. THe poor mini would get sandblasted clean before we\'d ever know if the paint faded.
 
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vincegamer

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On the other hand, there\'s the very common concept of time-accelerated testing. Since it would take too long to actually determine what happens to paper at 70 degrees for 30 years, they subject it to 100 degrees for 1 year (or something like that - it\'s very scientific).
So, Lloyd has the advantage of being under more sun than we can dream of and thus can test the long-term effects of sunlight in a short period.
 
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philologus

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I\'ve only used a few Delta colors, but found them to be OK. All 3 of my kids paintminis and I buy them the apple barrel and art deco brand paint bottles as they are ultra cheap. I just bout about 20 last month for a dime a piece! The kids love picking out the colors they want and they don\'t have to use mine and my wife\'s good paints. The one excellent Delta product is their Matte Sealer. I don\'t use it on the figures themselves; but I have this very anal habit of filling in the bottom of slotta bases with wood putty (because it looks better) and then I seal the wood putty with the Matte Sealer before painting the bottom black. The bottom of the base then becomes a canvas for date or signature or both. I think it looks more professional when done.
 
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blackfly

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So, now I\'ll ask, is there a good source by mail for the Vallejo paints in the States?
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as previously mentioned, thewarstore.com has them. Neal is very nice, but its also common to get delays from them. Things will be listed instock, and not really be, and you may not find out untill you email to check up on it. It should be noted that that trend has been declining a little bit, and I still don\'t shy away from ordering with them, but if someelse has the same thing, i\'ll choose the other one if speed of delivery is important.

I order vallejo\'s from http://www.greathallminis.com/ all the time. Very good service. Also, check ebay. People very regulalry have 8, 10, 16 bottle sets of vallejos up there for less than retail. Its not as usefull if you\'re looking for 1 color, but great if you want a good way to start a collection of colors.
 
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