[RESOLVED] 9 vs 12 infantry, 3 vs 4 cavalry (RocketBike/MonoWheel) in base game
Let me start out by saying thank you Ted and CMON for the wonderful Rivet Wars game that was delivered to me recently! I really appreciate the high quality of the art, the minis, the game, the packaging...and your efforts to delight/satisfy the backers, e.g. the 2 new free elite troops (3 of each) we are offered due to the delay with cardboard that did not punch cleanly (Update #61). Thank you!
I do have one question about the game and/or the delivery of the game that as far as I can tell has remained unanswered...
It's been noted on this forum (quoted below) and in the kickstarter comments (e.g.Power Klaw 3 days ago) that there is a discrepancy between the kickstarter description of the contents of the core game and what actually arrived in the base game. I know that CMON can't be expected to read every post or comment, but I am hoping they notice this thread or I will try to contact support.
I've read through the CMON supplied information and although some people here or in the kickstarter comments have suggested in reply to these queries that CMON/Ted acknowledged the discrepancy, I can't see an "official source" that they have.
Here is the picture from the front page of the kickstarter about a 3rd of the way down showing what the core game includes (I did read in update #54 that the plastic terrain does not fit in the retail box and will not be included in the core game). In this picture you can see that Army Level 1 of the core game includes the 12 infantry and 2 cavalry (e.g. rocket bike) per side and there are an additional 2 cavalry per side in the Additional Vehicles below that (for a total of 12 infantry and 4 cavalry per side in the core game).
The same information about the core game is depicted in the top of the BK level picture on the kickstarter front page (as well as the Guide to Blitzkrieg Pledge Levels) where they describe and picture the contents of the core game (a total of 12 infantry and 4 cavalry pictured per side in the core game). These quantities (from the core game) are also spelled out in text in this picture.
Update #2 (4 cavalry per side in base game):
Wow, the core upgrades are really being knocked out and we're fast approaching our first Blitzkrieg level stretch goal, and that's a nice one with extra tanks!
If we hit this stretch, every game will get an additional 2 Cavalry and 1 Vehicle per side. That makes 4 Cavalry and 2 Vehicles!
Blitzkrieg only. The big kahunas come out to play at this level. Get an additional tank for both the Allies and Blight for Blitzkrieg level pledges as a free bonus!
Update #10 (doubles the base infrantry of 12 for BK pledgers):
So... how about some expansion content? We know the next stretch is for double infantry...
Blitzkrieg only - Sometimes, more is better. Get 12 more guys per side for a total of 24 additional infantry!
Also in Update #10 a preview of the next stretch goal (doubles the base cavalry to 8 per side for BK pledgers)
The core game that I received (and the one in the CMON unboxing video) only contain 9 infantry and 3 cavalry per side. This matches the quantities listed in the instruction booklet. I'm assuming that it's pretty obvious that the core game only will contain the 9 infantry and 3 cavalry per side. So the question is will the kickstarter backers receive the 12 infantry and 4 cavalry per side (x2 with BK) - which would mean that wave 2 for BK backers would contain 15 infantry and 5 cavalry per side to make up for the "missing" ones from the core game in wave 1?
I've read through the updates, the comments and this forum, but I have not seen this question answered (might have missed it if it is there). @CMON - could you provide an update/clarification please?
Here is what I have seen mentioned regarding updates about what ships in what wave:
Update #54: The plastic terrain won't fit in the core box - the whole thing becomes just too big to put on a retail shelf. All backers will still get the plastic terrain for free, but the retail box won't include them - they'll be available separately. a. Shipment 1 will only include the core box and possibly the plastic terrain, and will most likely complete production in October and will likely ship from our warehouses in November.
And then in Update #70:
Last week we also stated that backers would be receiving just the core box game in their first shipment. We first announced this with update 54, on July 19 2013. At the time we thought there was a possibility the plastic terrain might ship at the same time. We decided against that as it would add another small delay. While the Blitzkrieg Pack is duplicate models found in the core game, molding, assembling, and packing these models would take extra time. We wanted to ship the backers something as soon as possible, and that meant shipping just the core game in Wave 1.
And in the kickstarter comments: Hey guys, I just wanted to come in and confirm that the terrain will be bundled in wave 2. This ended up being the best way to get the game to backers as soon as possible. Wave 2 is still currently on schedule to hit in this quarter. Thanks! -Spencer
The only reason for the length of the post and the direct references to the pictures and quantities, quotes is to provide the source of the information that we are basing our questions on. I'm not trying to be snarky or disrespectful to CMON (and I'm sure they would reply if I were to contact support....but I imagine a lot of people might have this same question so trying to save them some trouble).
I haven't been able to play the game yet as I pushed some other games on my family and game group right before I got RW (and I have to let other people get their games in - who knew our first chapter of Mice and Mystics would take so long?), but it'll be hitting the table soon. I have obtained some paint brushes to try my hand at painting these wonderful minis (gotta review updates #27 & 34)... I am really looking forward to playing the game and the rest of the stuff coming in wave 2. Thanks!
p.s. my US general was also warped and doesn't fit O-tank so great. That's the problem with delivering this high quality stuff, we come to expect it!
Let me start out by saying thank you Ted and CMON for the wonderful Rivet Wars game that was delivered to me recently! I really appreciate the high quality of the art, the minis, the game, the packaging...and your efforts to delight/satisfy the backers, e.g. the 2 new free elite troops (3 of each) we are offered due to the delay with cardboard that did not punch cleanly (Update #61). Thank you!
I do have one question about the game and/or the delivery of the game that as far as I can tell has remained unanswered...
It's been noted on this forum (quoted below) and in the kickstarter comments (e.g.Power Klaw 3 days ago) that there is a discrepancy between the kickstarter description of the contents of the core game and what actually arrived in the base game. I know that CMON can't be expected to read every post or comment, but I am hoping they notice this thread or I will try to contact support.
I've read through the CMON supplied information and although some people here or in the kickstarter comments have suggested in reply to these queries that CMON/Ted acknowledged the discrepancy, I can't see an "official source" that they have.
Here is the picture from the front page of the kickstarter about a 3rd of the way down showing what the core game includes (I did read in update #54 that the plastic terrain does not fit in the retail box and will not be included in the core game). In this picture you can see that Army Level 1 of the core game includes the 12 infantry and 2 cavalry (e.g. rocket bike) per side and there are an additional 2 cavalry per side in the Additional Vehicles below that (for a total of 12 infantry and 4 cavalry per side in the core game).
The same information about the core game is depicted in the top of the BK level picture on the kickstarter front page (as well as the Guide to Blitzkrieg Pledge Levels) where they describe and picture the contents of the core game (a total of 12 infantry and 4 cavalry pictured per side in the core game). These quantities (from the core game) are also spelled out in text in this picture.
Update #2 (4 cavalry per side in base game):
Wow, the core upgrades are really being knocked out and we're fast approaching our first Blitzkrieg level stretch goal, and that's a nice one with extra tanks!
If we hit this stretch, every game will get an additional 2 Cavalry and 1 Vehicle per side. That makes 4 Cavalry and 2 Vehicles!
Blitzkrieg only. The big kahunas come out to play at this level. Get an additional tank for both the Allies and Blight for Blitzkrieg level pledges as a free bonus!
Update #10 (doubles the base infrantry of 12 for BK pledgers):
So... how about some expansion content? We know the next stretch is for double infantry...
Blitzkrieg only - Sometimes, more is better. Get 12 more guys per side for a total of 24 additional infantry!
Also in Update #10 a preview of the next stretch goal (doubles the base cavalry to 8 per side for BK pledgers)
The core game that I received (and the one in the CMON unboxing video) only contain 9 infantry and 3 cavalry per side. This matches the quantities listed in the instruction booklet. I'm assuming that it's pretty obvious that the core game only will contain the 9 infantry and 3 cavalry per side. So the question is will the kickstarter backers receive the 12 infantry and 4 cavalry per side (x2 with BK) - which would mean that wave 2 for BK backers would contain 15 infantry and 5 cavalry per side to make up for the "missing" ones from the core game in wave 1?
I've read through the updates, the comments and this forum, but I have not seen this question answered (might have missed it if it is there). @CMON - could you provide an update/clarification please?
Here is what I have seen mentioned regarding updates about what ships in what wave:
Update #54: The plastic terrain won't fit in the core box - the whole thing becomes just too big to put on a retail shelf. All backers will still get the plastic terrain for free, but the retail box won't include them - they'll be available separately. a. Shipment 1 will only include the core box and possibly the plastic terrain, and will most likely complete production in October and will likely ship from our warehouses in November.
And then in Update #70:
Last week we also stated that backers would be receiving just the core box game in their first shipment. We first announced this with update 54, on July 19 2013. At the time we thought there was a possibility the plastic terrain might ship at the same time. We decided against that as it would add another small delay. While the Blitzkrieg Pack is duplicate models found in the core game, molding, assembling, and packing these models would take extra time. We wanted to ship the backers something as soon as possible, and that meant shipping just the core game in Wave 1.
And in the kickstarter comments: Hey guys, I just wanted to come in and confirm that the terrain will be bundled in wave 2. This ended up being the best way to get the game to backers as soon as possible. Wave 2 is still currently on schedule to hit in this quarter. Thanks! -Spencer
The only reason for the length of the post and the direct references to the pictures and quantities, quotes is to provide the source of the information that we are basing our questions on. I'm not trying to be snarky or disrespectful to CMON (and I'm sure they would reply if I were to contact support....but I imagine a lot of people might have this same question so trying to save them some trouble).
I haven't been able to play the game yet as I pushed some other games on my family and game group right before I got RW (and I have to let other people get their games in - who knew our first chapter of Mice and Mystics would take so long?), but it'll be hitting the table soon. I have obtained some paint brushes to try my hand at painting these wonderful minis (gotta review updates #27 & 34)... I am really looking forward to playing the game and the rest of the stuff coming in wave 2. Thanks!
p.s. my US general was also warped and doesn't fit O-tank so great. That's the problem with delivering this high quality stuff, we come to expect it!
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