Airbrushing Beginner... Help Needed!

BoBzz

New member
Hi All,

Been away quite awhile....

I think I\'m going to give airbrushing a go.... Starting with some larger pieces and work my way down to minis.

I just need to know where to begin.... Any Articles or Books of interest I should read/pick up?

Good sites for buying a kit? Is it Better even to buy a kit or piece it together?

How much is the whole start up going to run me?
I am on somewhat of a budget, but I would rather start with quality equipment than struggle with P.O.S. tools ... slowly uprgrading as I go....

Any and all... Tips, Hints, Ideas, Suggestions, etc... are welcome!

Oh, and I have scanned through a couple of the more recent threads here on Airbrushes but want a more compiled resource...



Thanks In advance, Looking forward to responses!
Sam
 

QuietiManes

New member
Any Articles or Books of interest I should read/pick up?

All the manufacturers have guides online and all the brushes come with instructions and suggestions too. Advice on cleaning and how to practice to gain better control etc.

Good sites for buying a kit? Is it Better even to buy a kit or piece it together?

Um, not so simple to answer, highly dependant on what you want out of your \"kit\". Depends what you want and what\'s available. You can get these cheap craft/nailbrush kits from Michaels that have a single action airbrush and a can of propellant for $30-40 CAD, but they\'re not much use, no better than spitting paint really.

Many stores will give you a discount if you buy an airbrush and compressor and accessories all in one go. I havent checked much other than the manufacturers sites online so I cant comment about them too much. What I\'d suggest you do is go to the Azteck and Badger sites or any other company that makes airbrushes and check out their selection. They\'ll have the best info on their products after all. Once you find something that suits you, call your local art store and see if they have it available or do a google search for local or online retailers.

How much is the whole start up going to run me?

Again, depends how much you want to spend. If you\'re going to use it more than once a year I highly recomend you get a compressor. Canned air is only cheaper for the first couple cans then it gets expensive real quick. Depending what else you might want to do with your airbrush will dictate what type of compressor you\'d want to get. You need a \"working\" or \"running\" PSI of around 30 for the thinner types of paints you\'ll be using on miniatures. If you want to use automotive paint you\'d want around 60-80? Also the amount of time you\'ll use it will matter as well. The lower end compressors can have a running PSI of 15-20 and are listed as for light work, some have warnings to not run the compressor for more than 30 minutes to an hour type thing. Just something to keep in mind and be aware of when you look through your options.

You dont need a compressor that\'s designed for airbrushing. But you will need to make sure whatever type you get has a moisture trap, if you go for one without a trap, you can buy them anywhere you can get airbrushes from and most places you get compressors from. The other thing you need is a pressure gauge and regulator, so that you can monitor and control the flow of air. You can get those large tank compressors that contractors use for air tools for example and if you let one of those blow full boar through your airbrush I\'d imagine it would break something if you couldnt tone down the pressure. A friend in highschool had a large tank compressor that was manually operated, as in he had to pump up the air pressure with a lever, it was stored in a big tank, when it was around 60 lbs he stopped and could use his airbrush for quite a while before needing to repump it up. Kinda neat, nice and cheap compared to some of the other compressors, might be too much extra work if you use your airbrush alot.

You\'re probably looking at a couple hundred dollars for an airbrush compressor or slightly less for a contractors compressor (but watch out for the gauges and water traps, if you have to buy those it quickly eats into your savings, trap is about $15-20 US) and another $100-150 US for a decent dual action internal mix airbrush (you want a dual action, the lever controls airflow and paint flow). Most airbrushes will have various sized needles and nozzles/tips/heads to give you a wide variety of line width options.

Note that thicker paints need larger holes in the head of your airbrush to go through. Typically the brush will come with a medium setup which should be fine for priming and basecoating mini\'s and doing camo patterns on larger mini\'s. There\'s really no need or reason to go for an airbrush that does super fine lines or to get the needle/head setup for that as it\'s easier to paint the camo pattern on your Imperial Guardsmen with a paintbrush for the most part.

So I guess there\'s not much in way of specific answers or links but hopefully it\'ll help.

Cheers
 

Itchy

New member
and get a quiet compressor... nothing worse than pouring hours into a piece, then have a loud compressor kick on and make you jump and ruin the last 3 hours of your life :p
 
One name says it all... Iwata.. Id recomend nothing else. As for a good all purpose brush Id say the HP-C.

Check eBay for prices and package deals. Theres a seller named Roger Wong from Taiwan who is a power seller. Ive bought a couple brushes from him and his service and speed of delivery is fantastic.

Remember you get what you pay for, buying cheap is only going to either discourage you and you will abandon it or force you to spend more money down the line to buy better equipment.
Check Here

And Here

Both are good deals. I have the set up with the tank.
 

mrteal

New member
I will agree with Dragon. Do not go the cheap way, some other people I know got frustrated really quick with airbrushing but they bought crappy stuff. Dragon is right...Iwata is the best. I have been wanting to get a HP-AH for a while but I am poor. Educate yourself on all the options before buying. If you have the money...get an Iwata..it won\'t let you down if you take care of it.
I suggest learning from someone or taking a class. Learning by trial and error is time consuming and expensive. Got my 2 cents in.
 

airhead

Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
Good resourses:

BearAir.com order the catalogue (airbrusher\'s bible)

Airbrush Action magazine. Full of good tips and tricks and helpful stuff all around. Although very little applies to mini painting, all is usefull.

You mentioned painting minis with an airbrush. Other than some tanks and larger Manga stuff, I could not imagine doing the entire mini via airbrush - even with an AB or CM. More of what exactly are you going to do with the airbrush?

Good airbrush - Iwata Eclipse
Better (finer lines) - Iwata HP B or HB C
unlimited budget? - Iwata CM or Paashe AB (the most evil gun on the market).

These will all shoot from 1\" down to very fine. (you\'ll still want to do eyes with a brush)

Terrain? I would want some larger guns. Vega 2000\'s come to mind. Relatively inexpensive, designed for T-shirt artists, designed to push lots of air and paint.

Go ahead and get a spare needle and cone when you order. Tip crashes (touching the subject with the needle) happen and generally ruin the tip of the needle and possibly the cone. Don\'t feel bad, we all do it at least once.
 

Ordos

New member
I have a crescendo from badger here. Got it from someone as a gift (minus a compressor mind you)

anything good about that ?
 

mrteal

New member
The one time I tried Badger, I did not like it. But I never used another after that, only way to see if it is good is to use it and compare with another. Try it next to a more expensive brush.
Yes, there is much good about that...you got a free airbrush. I wish someone would give me one.
 

airhead

Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
Originally posted by Ordos
I have a crescendo from badger here. ..anything good about that ?
I have never used the Crescendo, but I remember when Badger was trying hard to upgrade its image with a better brush, that is when they developed the Crescendo. I would love to try one out just to compair it to my Vegas (which Badger bought out eventually.)

And just for the record, I originally learned on an old badger single action. Adjusted the paint flow and line by screwing the needle in or out at the back - wish I still had it.


Summary:
I don\'t think it is a bad gun for general use. It is certainly not the detail gun of an Iwata HP-B, but for base coating, general painting and terrain - it should work fine for you.
 

QuietiManes

New member
I have a Badger Anthem 155. I quite like it. It\'s a decent all round brush \"medium\" equivalent for its intended use. Best of all it\'s a bottom feed, I dont trust the top feeders. I feel I get better control with the bottom feed, but that could just be my paranoid pictures in my head of the top feed pushing paint drops down into the airbrush and clogging it up. lol
 

Ordos

New member
Thanks for the replies

Indeed its good i got it fro free, but it has been sitting in the original packing since i got it ages ago. I was going to use it to airbrush up a TigerII tank by tamiya. But then i kinda lost my interest (+ the lack of having a compressor to work with the airbrush in the first place).

Its relatively hard to come by Vajello paints here in Holland (at least i have yet to find a store which sells it so i don\'t have to pay double the amount just to get it posted). I Understand correctly that GW\'s paints are impossible because of the accelrant they use?

-Ordos-
 

airhead

Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
Originally posted by Ordos
... I Understand correctly that GW\'s paints are impossible because of the accelrant they use?

-Ordos-
Never heard that, but I usually thin everything with airbrush medium anyway (about 1:1 +/-) You could always grab tube acrylics and thin the heck out of them. Testors also makes a line of the model masters paints ready for airbrush (but I have not used them since they went water-based so I cannot say as to their quality)

Tight lines,
Kevin
 
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JakeSh

Guest
This is where I ordered my brush. Best prices I\'ve found and my order came quickly. I\'d really recommend them. A $250 order also gets free shipping.

http://www.airbrush-depot.com

I primarily do large pieces like cars, furniture, guitars, murals, etc... This is the kit I have, and I love it. It does include a tank for the compressor, the pic just doesn\'t show it. You definately will need the tank.

My kit.

Similar kit to mine, cheaper.
 

airhead

Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
Jake, that is a sweet set. The Paashe guns are the workhorses of the industry.

What kind of pressure can you get out of that mini compressor? Is a constant 40 psi possible? That is about where I shoot shirts at, but I normally am using the big compressor in the garage with a hose piped through the wall.
 
For those living in the USA and on a budget, watch your Sunday News Paper for a flyer from Michaels. About every other week they have a cupon for 40% off one item in the store. brings a $100.00 airbrush down to $60.00 quite quickly.
 
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JakeSh

Guest
Originally posted by airhead
Jake, that is a sweet set. The Paashe guns are the workhorses of the industry.

What kind of pressure can you get out of that mini compressor? Is a constant 40 psi possible? That is about where I shoot shirts at, but I normally am using the big compressor in the garage with a hose piped through the wall.

It\'s iffy. For doing shirts I wanna say it would work. Though, depending on your style it may or may not hold the straight 40 psi.

Mmm... thats my next step. Running air lines around the garage. Can\'t wait. This spring should be a good time.
 

airhead

Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
Originally posted by JakeSh
... thats my next step. Running air lines around the garage. Can\'t wait. This spring should be a good time.
Do not use PVC pipe for that. It does not take the heat/pressure changes very well.. I just put a small piece of 1/4\" or 3/8\" threaded brass pipe through the wall with the male & female quick couple on each end. Hook up the hose from the compressor to the bit sticking out. Same at the other end - airline hose to another regulator and moisture trap, then to my manifold for running my guns.
 
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Grey_Goat

Guest
I paint my mini\'s with an airbrush! I can genereally get all of the basecoating as well as the main highlighting and shading done in a shorter time and with smoother transitions than using a paintbrush.

I\'ve made a tutorial for airbrushing mini\'s. It\'s in the tutorials section of my site, www.greygoat.net. The photos aren\'t the most spectacular, but the point gets across.

I address things like thinner ratios, pressure, cleaning, and how to use the airbrush specifically for minis.

Hope that helps,
Sam (grey_goat)
 
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