A pair of miniatures - P.I.P.

jamsessionein

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So I\'m getting back into painting for a little bit to kill the time while I wait for some buzzsaws to arrive in the mail for my dreadnought.

As it\'s been a very long time since I\'ve held a brush (ignoring, perhaps, a christmas gift or two I made for the girlfriend) I thought I might throw up the paint-in-progress here for criticism. The more brutal, the better, as I really do want to improve.

I\'ll start off with the Nob. I\'m very rapidly becoming a fan of the idea of very rusty things for my orks, half because I like the way it looks and half because I need a fair bit of practice before I even consider throwing a loaded brush at my Gargant. To that end, I\'ve mostly done the rusty bits on him so far, as well as the base and lower body. The rusty parts are mostly an experiment, honestly, because I am not all that enamored with the tin bitz & boltgun appearance of a lot of orky metals.

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I\'m not in love with the pants, yet. I did a lot of drybrushing to the metals, but I was trying to highlight and shade his lower body, rather than drybrush. Unfortunately, I\'m not very good at that - my highlights tend to be very.. visible, when I try, and I end up trying to wash them back down again. Still got a ways to go to make them pop.

The boots are minimally highlighted - really only two shades of red on them, but I think they look decent.

I actually painted some of the skin Vallejo\'s dark green, but it\'s so freakin\' dark of a shade I might as well not have bothered.

The base was all drybrushed, and I tried to rust down the metal parts of his boots in the same manner. I think it looks passable.

Moving on to the ammo runt...

I actually think this fella looks awful in person, but for some reason the pictures flatter it a bit. He\'s very, very glossy in person, which I think contributes to how I feel about it a bit. I tried using a wonder wash thing I got from The Warstore, and while it shaded the whole thing nicely, it also made the recesses very glossy, which can look confusing - reflective shadows. It\'s actually a bit entertaining - I got mad at the whole grot\'s base coat looking so terrible, so I took the mini and just dunked the parts I\'d painted into the wonder wash, then pulled it out and let it sit - sort\'ve like dipping. It shaded things pretty decently, but it also glossed up the whole mini. I\'ve since tried knocking it back with a bit of brushed on matte varnish, which helped in the pictures a bit. He\'s only about half done - I\'m not sure what color to make some of the other stuff, but I\'ll figure it out eventually. He also needs his base highlighted up to match the nob\'z.

The metal can he\'s carrying bothers me a lot. I think I am going to go over it and drybrush the rust colors all over it to try and knock it down a bit, because the boltgun metal is far brighter than I remember it ever being.

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So, guys. Be brutally honest, please, as I want to improve.
 

Larre

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well... for the rust... it\'s a nice rust colour you have got there, but to actually make it look like metal, try to paint some chainmail at the reaised parts... you know... like scratched :p

the goblin looks good :)

I wonder how that wonderwash would do with the foundation paint... one coat and dip, that\'s simple! :D

great work man :)

// Larre
 

swordtrainer

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the ammo runt is cute. :) I like the rust but to me it kindof looks like dried blood. and since I am not a good painter yet i can\'t really tell you anything....sorry
 

jamsessionein

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Been forging ahead a little bit with this. I had to go out to a birthday party this evening for a friend, but I found a few hours when I got back to try messing around a little bit with the pants, skin, and metals.

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I lightened the Nob\'s pants up to a brighter shade of Khaki which I think helped differentiate it from the rusty colors enough to be distinct. I\'m afraid now it might be too similar to the base, but I\'m willing to have that over the rust.

I really would have gone with another color for the pants in general, but this mini is going to hopefully be going in with my army, all of which tends to have red boots as an Evil Sunz / Kult of Speed influence and brown pants. Grey just doesn\'t seem a proper color for leather, either, which is what I imagine the pants are often made of. Squig leather!

Anyhow. I\'ve completely forgotten how to do Ork Skin, and have such have been basically making it up as I go along. I used Dark Green from Vallejo all over the orky skin parts, and thinking that Vallejo\'s Goblin Green would be a rough equivalent of GW\'s Snot Green (don\'t ask why) I started highlighting the skin with it. This, of course, was far brighter than I really wanted, so I then dug some more, discovered the proper midtone green color, and tried glazing all the skin parts in it to even things out a bit. I think I recovered from that decently well, though I\'m still not very happy with the skin and it needs a bit more shading and proper, clean highlights to pop it out a bit.

As an aside: GOD I HATE PAINTING THOSE STUPID NOOKS AND CRANNIES. I know that there are a few spots of blotched paint on places they should be - the chest glyph, the glove, etc. You\'ll notice most of those are green, from my struggles to actually paint underneath the silly ork arms. I remember now why I usually like to paint miniature components separately, then assemble. Still, there are some models where you just have to grit and bear it, I guess.

I tried edging a little bit with boltgun metal after a very light pass with a drybrush of tin bitz. It\'s... moderate. I don\'t know. I hope you guys can forgive me - first reaction is to drybrush the rusty parts in boltgun a bit, but I\'m just afraid of ruining it with my half-assed brush control.

I used a bit of boltgun to try and cut the blood back from the center of the wheel in a circular pattern. I\'m not entirely sure it was effective - there\'s a slight spin to it now, but it still looks only half-painted. I don\'t want the blood to look fresh, I think, but I can\'t quite make it look dried without then getting some confusion between that and the rusted bits.

I picked some of the glyphs out in yellow. God bless the foundation colors for yellows and reds, guys - that was the most painless detailing I\'ve ever done in my life, directly over the rust colors. I added a \'Skar\' glyph on the power klaw\'s front to try and strike something of an orky balance - a glyph on either \'hand\'. I sort\'ve want to draw a crosshair on the button mechanism he\'s holding, white on red, in his right hand, but I don\'t think I can control the brush to draw something that fine.

Anyway, slow and trudging steps forward, and comments appreciated. I don\'t expect any more progress on this tomorrow - I\'m going to basically be in school for twelve hours - but Tuesday will hopefully bring some more free time. Who knows, I might even get those buzzsaws I\'ve been needing in the mail so I can finish building my looted dreadnought!
 

COG

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:cool:sweet. its the orky version of robocop.
StOP IN THE NAME OF THE LAW.lol
looks good so far. in all fairness the rocket launch looks a little too much for the ork, buuuut overall looks very right in terms of orkiness.
:beer:
 

Fizl

Secret Crocodile
Isn\'t the rust the wrong way round on the circular saw thing? The areas that get used alot (the teeth) shouldn\'t really get rusty, cos they get rubbed alot against things, where as the bit in the middle probably doesn\'t see much wear and tear and so would allow the rust to build up.

Shaz
 

jamsessionein

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Fizl: It\'s supposed to be blood on the saw itself, with metals towards the center. You might be mistaking my attempt at blood for additional rust?

I did actually get a little opportunity to paint this morning, so I used it to work on the face and skin tone. Rather than highlight it up more, I tried shading things a bit with the rationale that the nob needs at least a moderately darker skintone.

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Worked a bit on the teef and gums, as well as the lip piercing and nose ring. Nothing too amazing, but I work in small and slow steps anyway.

The ambient lighting in my room is all sorts of wacky, giving the model a bit of a glow that makes it out of focus. I need to work on my setup here. (And probably wipe my camera lens down, while I\'m at it!)
 

Fizl

Secret Crocodile
Ah :D

If its blood it needs to be darker. If its dried blood a dark brown (nearly black) arterial blood dark red, venous blood a darker red.

Shaz
 

dama22

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awsome conversion especially like the buzzsaw. and the painting looking good so far. keep up the good work :)
 

jamsessionein

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Rather than the Robocop approach...

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What do you guys think of either of these? The nature of the visor brings this Golden Demon winner to mind, which I\'m tempted to emulate:

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The only problem with doing that is that there\'s a slit in this visor which demands some sort of attention. I don\'t know if trying to do OSL and make it glow is a good idea, though. It\'s scary, as I\'ve never considered it before. I usually just stick LEDs in things.

Can anyone give me some pointers if I were to undertake this?
 

jamsessionein

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Last little update before I hit the hay. Struggled a bit with getting a brush at the parts of his shirt I wanted to make red, but I think I won out in the end. The straps of his harness were such a pain, though - I originally went for a grey color to break up all the brown on him, but it looked awful, as I haven\'t quite learned how to highlight blacks and greys with the effectiveness I\'d like. I ended up going over them with brown again and generally making a mess of things, though I think they\'re passable for now.

I highlighted the edges of his shirt, but I don\'t know if it looks alright. I get the sense that it doesn\'t look very cloth-y.

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I know I\'m spending an inordinate amount of time on this mini for pretty standard results, but it\'s been a while since I\'ve painted and it\'s helping me fill the time while I wait impatiently for a bunch of trades to arrive.
 

Belegweearda

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This is looking great, though you have quite some flat colours here and there. Take the blood on the saw, it would be super with abit touching up and depth. Also the shirt on the mek lad looks very clean and nice being on an ork. Perhaps a dark green glace on the skin would do some magic?

And for some off-topic, I\'m really looking forward to seeing your stompa painted! Good luck on your projects; makes me wanna paint some meself :D
 

jamsessionein

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I had a lot less time to paint today than I was originally hoping for.

I painted up his cigar, picked out some of the wiring in yellow (bless you, foundation paints), painted the back \'engine\' to some degree, started base coating the rocket launchers, drybrushed the grot\'s base to a matching color, and washed the shirt in a bit of dark flesh to try and tone the red down and add proper shading to it. I think that last little detail worked best on the back - the front needs one or two more goes.

My plans are to do the launcher up in a very dark red, crimson and brass scheme similar to word bearers. I\'m starting to get concerned with the amount of red and brown on this model, though. I mean, if I paint that visor red, he\'s going to be moving so fast he won\'t even be able to shoot properly.

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Ah well. I\'m really not sure what details to pick out on the launcher. I\'m still base coating it presently, so don\'t mind any messy paint on it as I haven\'t cleaned anything up yet. The ability to paint yellows on a whim is a wonderful effect of having the foundation paints, and I\'m considering doing the missiles up in a yellow to help accentuate them a bit, perhaps - I was thinking originally red with black detailing, but that would really start to get excessive. Maybe I\'ll skimp out and boltgun them, instead.

Man. Imagine the amount of time I\'m spending just painting this nob? The stupid Stompa\'s going to keep me busy till christmas. >_>
 

OrkyDave

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Dont you EVER call the stompa stupid again!!!

lol

If it takes itll next christmas to get right it will be worth it!

Robo ork is looking very cool, and your painting has improved. Keep at it, will be cool to see him finished!
 

jamsessionein

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My typical mantra for projects is \'model more so you freehand less\' but I suppose there\'s exceptions for everything, right?

Anyway, I was kicking this idea around since this morning and I got to put a brush on the model only around midnight-ish tonight. I\'m not and never will be all that great at painting stuff like this on - I usually prefer to model it on so I can just pick details out - but I think it\'s a decent way of tying the red and yellows of the model in. I\'ll do the targeting array on his head in boltgun and wash it in brown a bit like I did the engine on his back to properly cut the brightness of it down.

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It actually looks pretty sharp from tabletop distance. Getting this close with a camera reveals all the little spots I screw up or didn\'t draw quite straight, but I\'ll get over it. ;) Still need to highlight the rocket launcher on his back properly and pick some parts out in a brassy color, as well.
 

Phesmic

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I am really loving this model, definately has an Orky feel too it. My only complaint would be the scar glyph on the buzz saw. Too me it just seems to be bringing the model down a step. Possibly if the lines had harder edges at the ends it might clean it up a bit. I would recomment avoiding exact right angles though, to keep with the orky feel.

Keep it up, this guy is looking great!
 

jamsessionein

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Phesmic: I fiddled with it a great deal before deciding to leave it like that, mostly because I lack the fine motor skills and finer brushes required. :p Your criticism is well taken, though.

So here\'s some more of the Nob. I\'m not sure if I\'m very happy with the way the whole launcher looks; the brassy bits feel a bit cheap to me, and I\'d like to orkify the whole thing a touch more but I\'m not exactly sure how - painting dings and scratches on it might be a decent start, but I\'m not sure how to execute that sort of thing.

I also think I might want to have a go at brightening up the red on his visor a bit, and in these pictures I realize there was a bit of back cabling I missed that I have to go over.

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Thoughts? Opinions? Criticism? Ideas? Haiku? Interpretive Dances?
 

Belegweearda

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Hmm yes, quite. I\'m with you on that launcher, and what I think might just pull it off is abit more contrast. The thing with it now is that it\'s a tad flat looking. What about a darkened red that\'s not as pink? Here I\'m thinking having more Blood Red as base colour instead of red gore, though this is my personal liking of orkyness. Brightening the visor is a good idea, yes. If you want to tie the model together, you will want to work wirth the visor and launcher the same way. This is not very relevant to an ork mini though.

And you could try working with the brass with glazes for shades and drybrushing light with something bright, say Mithril Silver.

Another thing. Is the yellows of the fundation paints? Are they any good?
 

uberdark

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i dont like the arrow on his head. its not working for me. it seems to clean and nice.

as for the missile launcher, consider using an off the wall color. perhaps pink and paint a splattered bunny all over the launcher.

just an idea.

besides bunnies are quite evil little things. and i am anxiously awaiting buffy season 8\'s big bad to be bunnies.

lol
 
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