\'08 GD and base size?

[Pastor Prime]

Hello,

Just starting a US GD entry for this year and I was wondering what the ruling on \"appropriate\" base size is?

Can I enter a 40k fig that is packaged with a round 40mm base on a 60mm base?

I\'ve read through the rules and it seems pretty vague.

Thanks for your help.

- Q

 

[Pastor Prime]

Thanks,

Those are the rules I read too. It\'s from last year and it doesn\'t really say if the entries base has to be the same size as the one it came with.

I ask because the model I have is big, kinda hangs over the edges of a 40mm base. I\'d really like for it to have some space for a scenic base.

- Q

 

[Armoured Wolf]

If im right, Approprate gaming size base could be either the base that it came with or a base that is bigger.

Nothing in the game rules says you cant make your base bigger, <besides whos it going to benefit any ways> However you CANT make your base smaller.

Last year i turned in a Wargor on a 40mm base so i dont see why you couldnt

Cheers
AW

 

[rocketandroll]

I kept asking this kind of question on GW\'s forums (unti they closed them down)...

I think the \'appropriately sized gaming base\' thing is there to stop people basing a single miniature on a massive and incredibly OTT scenic base that hugely detracts from the mini itself.

The thing to remember is that the single mini category is meant to be about the painting (and to a lesser extent conversion/modelling) of a single miniature and not about building a complex base for it. That said, if you look back at winners from the last few years a good few of them have had pretty OTT bases (like entire stained glass windows behind them).

What mini is it that you\'re planning on putting on the 60mm base?

I\'d say it depends if it looks oversized or not.

by example, a Tau Battlesuit comes on a 40mm round base, but the Forgeworld resin ones come with 60mm bases, and they look fine on 60mm bases.

A terminator captain or similar though, which comes on a 40mm round base, would look silly on a 60mm base.

One option which people have used to effect is to put the mini on a standard base, mount that base on a larger display base and put some of the scenic elements on the display base so the mini itself is removeable as a gaming figure.


IMHO


Ben

 

[Dragon Forge Design]

Depends on the GD.. the european GD\'s tend to be less picky on the base issue..the US shows can be a bit more \"anal\" about it.

I think from 40 to 60 might be ok but its pushing it.

a 25 to 60 I think would get you bumped to open.

Take a look at how some painters have handeled the space issue. Julien Cassas is a great example of building up and out off of a regulation sided base. Be creative.

 

[Pastor Prime]

Don\'t terminators normally go on 40mm bases?

Sorry, I\'m not too familiar with GW figs these days.

- Q

 

[rocketandroll]

I think most of them normally go on a 25mm base (is there a 30mm base?) and some of the larger character models go on 40mm bases IIRC.

All I was saying was that something human sized (albeit in big power armour) in the middle of a 60mm base covered in ruined buildings etc would probably count as being over the top from the judges perspective. They said it\'s ok to go up ONE base size to 40mm, I think three base sizes to 60mm would be pushing it... unless it was a much larger model such as a battlesuit. monster etc

just my opinion based on what I\'ve seen in demons the last few years.


Ben

 

[mattsterbenz]

Terminators normally go on 40mm round bases. In the quoted text, it said \"if you want to mount your Terminator on a 40mm square base\". Hope that cleared it up

Really, they just don\'t want it looking obnoxious. It can go on a base bigger than what it came with, never smaller. It can also go on a round base of the same size or larger if it normally comes with a square base, and so on.

-Matt

 

[davetaylor]

Hi folks

The rules quoted are the ones we\'ll be using in the US for 2008. Due to game mechanics we have two systems at work here. For Warhammer and The Lord of The Rings the base the models are supplied with is the appropriately sized base, as they must be fielded on those bases in competitive gaming situations. For 40K the rule is, you may place your model on the base size provided or larger, never smaller (as mattsterbenz mentioned earlier), so a 4OK miniature typically supplied with a 40mm base could be presented on a 60mm base and be ok.

Sorry for the confusion.

Cheers
Dave Taylor
GW US Community Development Manager

 

[monkeyman7x]

just to clear something up, they quote terminators because terminators used to be based on 25mm round bases, but people thought they looked rubbish on them and mounted them on 40mm bases because they look better. however, with the release of the new plastic terminators 40mm round bases are now the norm. you generally can go up one base size as long as it doesnt look stupid.
i.e. a tau battlesuit on a 60mm base = fine (as rocketandroll stated)
but a gretchin(grot) on a 40mm base is well,,,silly.

 

[rocketandroll]

Originally posted by monkeyman7x
just to clear something up, they quote terminators because terminators used to be based on 25mm round bases, but people thought they looked rubbish on them and mounted them on 40mm bases because they look better. however, with the release of the new plastic terminators 40mm round bases are now the norm. you generally can go up one base size as long as it doesnt look stupid.
i.e. a tau battlesuit on a 60mm base = fine (as rocketandroll stated)
but a gretchin(grot) on a 40mm base is well,,,silly.

Cheers Chris, that explains it better than I did


Ben

 

[demonherald]

The thing to remember as well is that using too big a base size can cause problems if the judging is tight....

if there are say 3 models of the same standard of modelling and painting that normally come on a 25mm one on a25mm one on a 40 and one on a 60 each done to emphasize the theme of a mini the 25mm would win out on a technical standpoint..there\'s no need to risk losing a point for the sake of a big base..The single mini categories are about....the single minis..

 

[numbat]

Hi guys, the talk here has mostly been about 40k. Do you think it is appropriate to base, say, on orc warboss or black orc in Warhammer on a 40mm round base?

I assume it should be fine if the model looks appropriate on the base according to the GD rules (I assume Dave T. was stating the game mechanic rules as opposed to clarifying the GD rules in his post).

Ok - upon re-reading, it sounds like I can swap square base for round base for Warhammer figures if it is the same size, e.g. 25mm square for 25mm round, 40mm square for 40mm round, etc.

 

[arogers907]

According to the rules specified on the website, yes. You should be able to swap out square for round and vice versa. You can also use a scenic base so long as the model and gaming-sized base is removable from that scenic portion.

I think the big thing you have to accept with using non-standard bases is the rules clause stating, \"... please note the judges reserve the right to move models that are not on appropriate bases into a category they deem more fitting.\" As long as you\'re ok getting re-classed from say 40k single model to 40k large model \'cause you used a large-ish base or WHFB monster to open \'cause of an attached scenic base, go nuts.